http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ CityCyclingEdinburgh Forum » Topic: Road repairs en Mon, 18 May 2026 23:01:48 +0000 http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12371&page=4#post-187443 Fri, 01 May 2015 08:59:57 +0000 Chug 187443@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Even more of a shame it was not seen fit to move the cycle lane inside the parking (or abolish the parking and segregate the cycle lane) - parking which is 90% empty, there being no houses on that stretch of the road. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12371&page=4#post-187428 Thu, 30 Apr 2015 22:08:09 +0000 Greenroofer 187428@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>So I've lived in hope for a year now that the resurfacing on Craighouse Road would be finished properly. Those with long memories will recall chdot and me having a rivetting discussion last year about how they were going to fix <a href="http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12371&amp;page=2#post-146530">this bit of the work</a>, which they had clearly not done as per spec (judging by the "3/10 see me" type spray markings on the road) and put back the missing red chips across this junction and the next one up the hill.</p> <p>We now have what looks like an answer. In the last day or two the half-finished cycle lane halfway up the steep hill has had the word "End" painted onto it. This presumably means that someone has decided not to bother fixing the red chips across two junctions that weren't done right and is now tiptoe-ing quietly away hoping that nobody has noticed.</p> <p>Does anyone happen to have, or to know where I can find, the plan that showed the original spec for the work? I remember seeing one online last year, but don't know where to look for it now.</p> <p>It does seem a bit of a shame that the work can be left apparently unfinished... </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12371&page=4#post-160264 Thu, 24 Jul 2014 18:26:23 +0000 Kenny 160264@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Slightly OT, but close enough. Kudos goes to Dave who, this morning, I discovered not for the first time performing a repair on the NEPN. Last time it was by using a dustpan and brush to clear an apparent proliferation of glass, this time it was with a screwdriver and jubilee clip. He was busy re-attaching a somewhat dangerously overhanging fence under a bridge slightly east from Fiveways.</p> <p>Chapeau! </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12371&page=4#post-151232 Wed, 30 Apr 2014 21:18:06 +0000 chdot 151232@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>That's good!! </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12371&page=4#post-151231 Wed, 30 Apr 2014 21:16:43 +0000 Kenny 151231@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>The latter! </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12371&page=4#post-151222 Wed, 30 Apr 2014 20:19:55 +0000 chdot 151222@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Are you saying 'it should have been quicker' or they've done a good job? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12371&page=4#post-151220 Wed, 30 Apr 2014 20:17:23 +0000 Kenny 151220@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Dangerous pot hole on Ferry Road opposite Silverknowes Neuk fixed within 3 weeks of appearing. Nice work, CEC! </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12371&page=4#post-148324 Tue, 08 Apr 2014 19:59:41 +0000 chdot 148324@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Talking of red surfacing and white lines -</p> <p><a href="https://www.flickr.com/photos/chdot/13720772985/"><img src="https://farm3.staticflickr.com/2904/13720772985_57a461fdf3.jpg"></a></p> <p>It's a long time since there was any trace of white paint here (apart from the faint cycle symbol). </p> <p>It's 'simple' stuff like this that makes people question CEC's 'comomitment to cycling'. </p> <p>How difficult can it be to set up a system that knows what infrastructure the council has and a related system for inspecting it??</p> <p>This cycle lane <em>should be </em>important. It's an unusually long one (for a lead-in), on a narrow road that gets busy in the morning 'rush' hour. </p> <p>It's actually surprising the number of drivers who notice the lane and stay out of it. </p> <p>A bit of paint will certainly be cheaper than sorting the drain in the ASL box or the awful surface across the junction - but they need doing too.</p> <p><a href="http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=5450#post-58251">History</a>. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12371&page=4#post-148283 Tue, 08 Apr 2014 13:11:12 +0000 chdot 148283@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"Don't know who to complain to though."</p> <p>Start with Clarence. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12371&page=4#post-148281 Tue, 08 Apr 2014 13:00:44 +0000 Snowy 148281@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Warrender Park Road recently closed at the top of Marchmont Street to allow them to do pipes by the new school entrance. Reinstatement of the setts afterwards was a joke - they sank about 12 inches within a week. Small patch re-done, now it's like a rollercoaster and has setts poking out at odd angles. Nearly had me off the bike this morning at only 5mph. Don't know who to complain to though. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12371&page=4#post-148263 Tue, 08 Apr 2014 12:03:29 +0000 chdot 148263@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Useful link!</p> <p>I see there are THREE sets of work currently listed for Trinity Crescent - which might make it clear why it's not clear what is going on!</p> <p>A minor(?) issue is that it doesn't list the contractors. </p> <p>Obviously responsibility rests with CEC, SW or whoever but assembling data on contractors who don't do a good job might be helpful! </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12371&page=4#post-148259 Tue, 08 Apr 2014 11:44:24 +0000 Morningsider 148259@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Every single road work in Scotland should be logged on the Road Works Register, which can be accessed at:</p> <p><a href="http://www.roadworksscotland.org/default.aspx" rel="nofollow">http://www.roadworksscotland.org/default.aspx</a></p> <p>There is no excuse for "losing" previous road works.</p> <p>There is lots of guidance on road reinstatements, which is very, very dull. In essence, all road openings must be reinstated to the standards set by the local authority - which can include half and full carriageway resurfacing in certain circumstances. The authority can inspect any reinstanement and require remedial action to be taken if it doesn't meet the required standards. </p> <p>Failure to comply with these requirements can lead to a penalty being imposed (although these are puny).</p> <p>As I see it, the problems are:</p> <p>1. Local authorities don't have the man-power to undertake enough inspections.<br /> 2. Penalties for non-compliance are smaller than the cost of decent reinstatments.<br /> 3. There is no reputational damage to the companies responsible for poor quality re-instatements.<br /> 4. The Scottish Road Works Commissioner has no powers to speak of. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12371&page=3#post-148251 Tue, 08 Apr 2014 11:03:21 +0000 neddie 148251@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Anyone noticed the 'Cyclist Dismount' sign at the pedestrian crossing on Melville Dr and Jawbone Walk?</p> <p>Why?</p> <p>There is no need to dismount for anything if you are on the road and the ped X is not a Toucan! </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12371&page=3#post-148239 Tue, 08 Apr 2014 10:13:48 +0000 kaputnik 148239@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Utilities works should be accompanied by a nearby small, semi-permanent sign that says somethign along the lines of "these works were undertaken by &lt;contractor X&gt; for &lt;company Y&gt; on &lt;date Z&gt;. Please report any defects to &lt;company Y&gt;"</p> <p>When they come to remove their sign 6 months later they can inspect the surface and do some sort of sign-off as it being acceptable. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12371&page=3#post-148236 Tue, 08 Apr 2014 10:05:31 +0000 chdot 148236@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"just wondered if that was due to the council not enforcing it"</p> <p>CEC recently announced that it was going to appoint someone just to deal with utility/surface issues, so they probably haven't started yet!</p> <p>"or the utility company just not giving a s**t""</p> <p>'Surveys have shown' - that some are worse than others. </p> <p>Of course once the work is done most people forget who did it - and more importantly - which contractor filled the hole and sealed the surface. I <em>hope</em> CEC has the details. </p> <p>I suspect/assume that most of the work (the bit 'we' care about anyway) is not done by people directly employed by most/all? utility cos. </p> <p>There was an exchange on Twitter recently where someone complained about the result of the Scottish Water work on Duke Street. </p> <p>SW sent the contractor out who 'couldn't find anything'. Complainer posted a pic showing that surface was 'not flat' and SW agreed to send someone again. </p> <p>If there has been an update I have missed it!</p> <p>There is 'evidence' that some people do a better job than others when you see random bits of new coloured surface in bike and bus lanes where contractors have done their best to 'restore like it should be' - most just use black tar! </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12371&page=3#post-148235 Tue, 08 Apr 2014 10:04:30 +0000 acsimpson 148235@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>if that was due to the council not enforcing it or the utility company just not giving a s**t</em></p> <p>I suspect it's the utility company just not giving a s**t because of the council not enforcing it. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12371&page=3#post-148228 Tue, 08 Apr 2014 09:38:06 +0000 paul.mag 148228@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>was just wondering if the utility companies are under any obligation to return the surface they have dug up to how it was or even "an acceptable standard". There is absolutely zero evidence of this on my commute but just wondered if that was due to the council not enforcing it or the utility company just not giving a s**t </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12371&page=3#post-148196 Tue, 08 Apr 2014 02:56:48 +0000 Tulyar 148196@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Worth noting that Thermoplastic road markings need to have added friction enhancement, as the material used raw has a skid resistance on a par with tar banding (like sheet ice when wet). The width limit on tar banding is 50mm because of the skid risk.</p> <p>The thickness limit of plain thermoplastic lines is 3mm above the road surface, unless a profiled line is being created, when 6mm is the limit </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12371&page=3#post-148188 Mon, 07 Apr 2014 22:42:52 +0000 Focus 148188@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>The western <strong>Maidencraig Cres/ Queensferry Rd junction</strong>will be closed between 09:30 and 15:30 on Sunday 13th April for some sort of work. The signs are place at the junction itself and just past the other side of Thain House, so it would be nice to think the broken surface is going to be repaired, along with positive cycling infrastructure of some kind Including a sign to say the cycle path is up that way at last?). </p> <p>Or it could just be utilities work...</p> <p>Edit: And it is the latter :-(</p> <p>"<em>Scottish Water</p> <p>Manhole repairs.<br /> Lane restrictions on Queensferry Road. Maidencraig Crescent (west end) closed at Queensferry Road.</em>"</p> <p><a href="http://edinburgh.cdmf.info/public/disruptions/list.htm;jsessionid=0B1AD9E74D1CA01E18FEBA34E80A7799">CEC Traffic Disruptions</a></p> <p>So, unless they actually make a good job of it, there could be an even bumpier surface as you enter the Crescent from Q'ferry Rd! </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12371&page=3#post-148155 Mon, 07 Apr 2014 17:13:17 +0000 neddie 148155@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>...armadillo failure...</em></p> <p>Who have thought that [incompetent drivers of] lorries, buses &amp; cars driving over something could damage it?</p> <p>Metal spikes would cause the damage in reverse - that might work... </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12371&page=3#post-148136 Mon, 07 Apr 2014 16:24:24 +0000 chdot 148136@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>From a conversation -</p> <p>'</p> <p>There is some evidence that road facilities (e.g. bus lanes, ASLs, cycle lanes) and more self-enforcing if coloured. One of the main arguments against thermoplastic is that it wears away within 2-5 years (depending on location/who you talk to). However, cold applied materials such as MMA (<a href="http://www.stirlinglloyd.com/skidslip/Default.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.stirlinglloyd.com/skidslip/Default.htm</a> ) appear to last much longer which is why TfL are using it for the superhighways. </p> <p>' </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12371&page=3#post-148134 Mon, 07 Apr 2014 15:15:14 +0000 crowriver 148134@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>cycle contraflow on Caanan Lane</em> (Two a's in Caanan)</p> <p>Surface is shocking though, needs relaid! </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12371&page=3#post-148133 Mon, 07 Apr 2014 14:55:09 +0000 Morningsider 148133@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>My only experience of mandatory cycle lanes in Edinburgh (cycle contraflow on Cannan Lane) is good. The lane has single/double yellows and no loading markings on the kerb. It is enforced by the parking attendants and I have never encountered a parked car in it.</p> <p>Mandatory lanes can work - they are low cost (simply paint and legal fees for the traffic regulation order) and enforcement can be undertaken by existing parking attendants. I agree fully segregated lanes are probably better - but why write-off mandatory lanes before they have really been tried. We could have miles and miles of these for the cost of a couple of hundred metres of segregated lanes - I'm sure drivers would get to know not to park in them, you rarely see anyone parked in a bus lane while it is in operation. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12371&page=3#post-148130 Mon, 07 Apr 2014 14:36:14 +0000 fimm 148130@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@Radgeworks I wouldn't, not if Mad Cycle Lanes of Manchester's experience is anything to go by...</p> <p><a href="http://madcyclelanesofmanchester.blogspot.co.uk/2014/03/first-liverpool-st-armadillo-failure.html" rel="nofollow">http://madcyclelanesofmanchester.blogspot.co.uk/2014/03/first-liverpool-st-armadillo-failure.html</a></p> <p><a href="http://madcyclelanesofmanchester.blogspot.co.uk/2014/03/middlewood-st-armadillos-take-two.html" rel="nofollow">http://madcyclelanesofmanchester.blogspot.co.uk/2014/03/middlewood-st-armadillos-take-two.html</a></p> <p><a href="http://madcyclelanesofmanchester.blogspot.co.uk/2014/03/armadillos-cones-and-now-bollards.html" rel="nofollow">http://madcyclelanesofmanchester.blogspot.co.uk/2014/03/armadillos-cones-and-now-bollards.html</a></p> <p><a href="http://madcyclelanesofmanchester.blogspot.co.uk/2014/03/black-bollards-yellow-bollards.html" rel="nofollow">http://madcyclelanesofmanchester.blogspot.co.uk/2014/03/black-bollards-yellow-bollards.html</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12371&page=3#post-148128 Mon, 07 Apr 2014 14:27:22 +0000 Radgeworks 148128@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><a href="http://www.cyclehoop.com/product/cycle-access-and-facilities/armadillos/">Armadillos</a></p> <p>I would very very much like to see these little beauties everywhere...</p> <p>Radgeworks </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12371&page=3#post-148126 Mon, 07 Apr 2014 14:14:59 +0000 wishicouldgofaster 148126@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Why bother? We all know they won't be maintained and will NEVER EVER be enforced. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12371&page=3#post-148115 Mon, 07 Apr 2014 13:42:45 +0000 acsimpson 148115@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>We wouldn't even need the white and yellow lines if they built a simple curb between the traffic and the bike lane. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12371&page=3#post-148106 Mon, 07 Apr 2014 13:14:19 +0000 kaputnik 148106@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>I'm (almost) coming round to thinking that rather than 'bother' with the red stuff, the key thing is making sure the white lines/markings are refreshed more often. </em></p> <p>Indeed. Well-painted white lines on black tarmac are very obvious. London has tried blowing millions on blue paint and let's not go where that got them.</p> <p>Of course, lines, chips, paint, whatever are never going to succeed if backed by an enforcing Police force as interested as Polis Scotchland is. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12371&page=3#post-148100 Mon, 07 Apr 2014 13:01:35 +0000 neddie 148100@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>chdot +1</p> <p>Let's keep it simple. White &amp; yellow lines are all that is needed. Much easier to maintain. Could be maintained with an automated machine, and therefore done more frequently.</p> <p>Yellow lines should be double. White line should be solid, preferably with something physical to separate.</p> <p>And then enforcement...</p> <p>Honestly, we shouldn't be spending masses of the precious cycle budget on red paint/red chips. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12371&page=3#post-148066 Mon, 07 Apr 2014 11:22:23 +0000 paul.mag 148066@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Surface the roads properly (in any colour you like) so that road users can travel in a straight line without having to move for uneven road surface.<br /> Separate the inside and outside lane with a thick white line, preferably a textured one that isn't too slippy in the wet. In single lanes mark a cycle lane in the same way.<br /> Put up sings warning about pinch points &amp; in lane parking<br /> Educate drivers about what the white line means<br /> Prosecute drivers who ignore it</p> <p>It's obviously far more complex than that and costly but to my mind a more effective solution than colouring bits of the road differently and easier to maintain </p>