http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ CityCyclingEdinburgh Forum » Topic: "Motorists to be diverted away from tram routes" en Fri, 22 May 2026 08:13:25 +0000 http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12395#post-145628 Sun, 16 Mar 2014 11:45:44 +0000 wishicouldgofaster 145628@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>It's a bit sad in my opinion that we have to go to such drastic measures because its clearly a case of not trusting drivers being able to drive with due care and attention. If we only had a more positive attitude to dealing with such unselfish behaviour then it would happen less often and perhaps this ban would not have had to happen. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12395#post-145623 Sun, 16 Mar 2014 10:43:57 +0000 LivM 145623@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@Gibbo, ah, but businesses need vehicles and customers need vehicles to get to businesses so therefore business tax is ALSO paid by the UK Motorist.<br /> ... <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ln5QgeCL1fs">"Indian"</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12395#post-145621 Sun, 16 Mar 2014 09:50:13 +0000 gibbo 145621@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>£586 billion?<br /> That can't be right can it? Is that not roughly total government spending?</em></p> <p>According to a recent BBC article (decrying the state of the Scottish economy), in 2012-3, Scotland contributed £53.1bn in tax, which represented 9.1% of tax collected.</p> <p>That means total UK tax revenue for that year was £583.5bn.</p> <p>So either McDowall is either</p> <p>(A) getting, "UK motorist provides the Treasury with £586 billion", from an assumption that almost everyone who contributes tax is a motorist.</p> <p>(Which is daft because a lot of the money comes from business tax.)</p> <p>or</p> <p>(B) He's pulling numbers out his rear end.</p> <p>Either way, I don't think it would be inappropriate to regard anything he says as laughable nonsense.</p> <p>(Laughable nonsense that, nevertheless, suckered the Evening News, who apparently don't fact check.) </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12395#post-145607 Sat, 15 Mar 2014 18:38:55 +0000 EddieD 145607@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>As usual with the Johnstone press releases, it's not right. According to Wikipedia...okay, blind leading the blind...for the year 2011/12 motoring taxes raised £38 billion...7% of total taxation. It's still quite a lot </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12395#post-145606 Sat, 15 Mar 2014 18:28:49 +0000 cb 145606@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>£586 billion?<br /> That can't be right can it? Is that not roughly total government spending? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12395#post-145603 Sat, 15 Mar 2014 16:39:22 +0000 gembo 145603@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>This is another readjustment, following the new love affair with trams, political parties looking to gain from supporting trams and paving the way for them and yes, restricting car access. The same as many decent European cities. See the BMW parked on tram track story in EEN and bystanders trying to clear route for trams. I am looking forward to more </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12395#post-145597 Sat, 15 Mar 2014 15:29:04 +0000 crowriver 145597@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Yeah, I hope so too.</p> <p>Interesting snippet:</p> <p>[iBrian McDowall of the Alliance of British Drivers said: “My worry is that this is a further step towards banning cars from city centres. The UK motorist provides the Treasury with £586 billion a year but is expected to give up more and more road space to public transport.”</p> <p>City centre councillor Joanna Mowat has meanwhile welcomed the plan to “simplify and make it easier to navigate through the city”.[/i]</p> <p>Alliance of British Drivers More Reactionary Than Conservative Councillor Shock. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12395#post-145596 Sat, 15 Mar 2014 15:27:02 +0000 PS 145596@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>[My phone is so excited at the prospect that it posted twice.] </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12395#post-145595 Sat, 15 Mar 2014 15:26:02 +0000 PS 145595@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>Motoring groups remain wary this is “the thin end of the wedge” in regards to banning cars from the city centre.</em></p> <p>Whooop! Let's hope so. :) </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12395#post-145582 Sat, 15 Mar 2014 11:36:22 +0000 chdot 145582@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><a href="http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/motorists-to-be-diverted-away-from-tram-routes-1-3341519" rel="nofollow">http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/motorists-to-be-diverted-away-from-tram-routes-1-3341519</a> </p>