http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ CityCyclingEdinburgh Forum » Topic: "school run set to be banned in 5 city streets" en Tue, 07 Apr 2026 22:11:37 +0000 http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12412&page=7#post-274133 Thu, 01 Feb 2018 12:55:23 +0000 toomanybikes 274133@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>doesnt this just push the traffic into other side streets instead of near the school...?</em></p> <p>The principles of induced demand say no. Less space for driving means less driving. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12412&page=7#post-274132 Thu, 01 Feb 2018 12:45:57 +0000 urchaidh 274132@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@Frenchy - A bit, I see the odd car most mornings.</p> <p>@rider73 - A bit, there's a residential street across a main road from the school which looks chokka most mornings. There's a fair bit of crap parking on the main road too, which is far from safe.</p> <p>Unscientific observations based on living on a 'closed' street and leaving the house most mornings around school run time. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12412&page=6#post-274131 Thu, 01 Feb 2018 12:45:53 +0000 crowriver 274131@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>---</p> <p>...58.4 per cent of children travel to The Cherwell School by bike, making it the UK’s number one school for cycling. It is no coincidence that the school is served with a fully segregated cycle track leading to its gates, and a full programme of fun cycling activities and support for safe cycling.</p> <p>--- </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12412&page=6#post-274130 Thu, 01 Feb 2018 12:43:57 +0000 crowriver 274130@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"doesnt this just push the traffic into other side streets instead of near the school...?"</p> <p>Yes it does, but arguably that is safer as we don't get rushed school run parents parking up on pavements outside the school, blocking exits, executing three-point turns and accelerating away when there are small children attempting to cross the road or simply walk on the pavement.</p> <p>Not to mention localised air pollution and its effects on smaller people who are physically much closer to exhaust tailpipes than adults... </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12412&page=6#post-274129 Thu, 01 Feb 2018 12:42:19 +0000 Frenchy 274129@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>doesnt this just push the traffic into other side streets instead of near the school...? </em></p> <p>Even if it does, that'd be a good thing.</p> <p>But I don't think it will. The vast majority of traffic on these streets at those times is people dropping off their kids. If they can't use these streets then they'll either have to park further away and walk the last stretch (a good thing), or not drive at all (an even better thing!). </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12412&page=6#post-274127 Thu, 01 Feb 2018 12:37:16 +0000 rider73 274127@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>doesnt this just push the traffic into other side streets instead of near the school...? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12412&page=6#post-274122 Thu, 01 Feb 2018 12:10:29 +0000 Frenchy 274122@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><a href="http://www.oxfordmail.co.uk/news/yourtown/oxford/15909630.COLUMN__On_Yer_Bike___Is_it_time_to_close_roads_and_stop_cars_doing_the_school_run_/" rel="nofollow">http://www.oxfordmail.co.uk/news/yourtown/oxford/15909630.COLUMN__On_Yer_Bike___Is_it_time_to_close_roads_and_stop_cars_doing_the_school_run_/</a></p> <p><em>In Edinburgh, six primary schools took part in a pilot scheme of road closures, which have now become permanent. These rely on volunteer time to supervise the road closures, and schools have been requesting police support to issue tickets to drivers who flaunt the ban.</em></p> <p>How much flaunting is going on? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12412&page=6#post-220261 Tue, 17 May 2016 18:33:20 +0000 Charlethepar 220261@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Urchaidh</p> <p>"@Charlethepar Therefore, if I am painting a word picture to illustrate a point, it is not unreasonable to put a Z-featured Xer in the picture.</p> <p>You go right ahead. Try it out IRL, maybe try using race, gender or sexual orientation as your 'Z'. Let us know how you get on."</p> <p>Isn't that called 'telling a joke.'? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12412&page=6#post-220255 Tue, 17 May 2016 17:57:49 +0000 crowriver 220255@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Loving the thread drift people! :-)</p> <p>'Mon the P7s! </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12412&page=6#post-220253 Tue, 17 May 2016 16:33:48 +0000 urchaidh 220253@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@Erob - right/wrong would be down to your actual intent, rather than anyone's judgement of your intent. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12412&page=6#post-220249 Tue, 17 May 2016 16:28:05 +0000 acsimpson 220249@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>It's not just kids and driverless cars that are at it.</p> <p><a href="http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/05/15/wheelchair-user-blocks-and-taunts-lamborghini-driver/">http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/05/15/wheelchair-user-blocks-and-taunts-lamborghini-driver/</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12412&page=6#post-220247 Tue, 17 May 2016 16:23:59 +0000 steveo 220247@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>thought they were Neds being Neds rather than fearless environmental campaigners.</em></p> <p>I expect a certain subset of the population thinks the same of POP... </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12412&page=6#post-220246 Tue, 17 May 2016 16:23:30 +0000 Rob 220246@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"anyone deliberately impeding the progress of another just for the hell of it is in the wrong"</p> <p>How do you tell what someone's motivation is? I've been yelled at for refusing to ride in the door zone. They probably thought I was being an arse and forcing them to wait 10s. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12412&page=6#post-220245 Tue, 17 May 2016 16:20:55 +0000 urchaidh 220245@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>As a few other comments have suggested, the fundamental issue is about sharing the space equitably. At the moment there is a clear hierarchy, cyclists and pedestrian are regularly forced to stop and wait. On busy streets with lights and crossing this cuts both ways but on quieter residential streets (at least) why is received opinion that motor vehicles have absolute right of way. No one should be forced to slow down stop, they should do so voluntarily and as required because they're sharing the space. </p> <p>Obviously, anyone deliberately impeding the progress of another just for the hell of it is in the wrong, though if it a protest then... </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12412&page=6#post-220244 Tue, 17 May 2016 16:19:31 +0000 stiltskin 220244@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>As an aside. (&amp; I appreciate this is not exactly the same as the incident we are discussing). I have just cycled along Carrington Road &amp; seen some young scamps walking 3 abreast on the outside of the line of parked cars. I don't know what the elderly lady in the car who looked rather scared as they refused to let her past was thinking, but I suspect she rather thought they were Neds being Neds rather than fearless environmental campaigners. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12412&page=6#post-220242 Tue, 17 May 2016 16:13:02 +0000 Roibeard 220242@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>If a pedestrian entirely blocks the path, then you stop, and ask to pass? I suppose I assume that cycles are much more permeable... We've never had an issue with going round pedestrians, even when they've been playing in the road, or stopping us for their amusement.</p> <p>I don't see a reason for cycling into pedestrians. There might be an exception for a pedestrian seeking to assault us, but then outpacing them in the opposite direction has worked to date!</p> <p>Robert </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12412&page=6#post-220237 Tue, 17 May 2016 15:54:07 +0000 Gresham Flyer 220237@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@Roibeard -I guess what you've done there is interpreted "forced you both to stop" as "milling about in front of you". I dont know how you "gently manoeuvre round" someone who is forcing you to stop. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12412&page=6#post-220234 Tue, 17 May 2016 15:35:07 +0000 urchaidh 220234@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@Charlethepar <em>Therefore, if I am painting a word picture to illustrate a point, it is not unreasonable to put a Z-featured Xer in the picture.</em></p> <p>You go right ahead. Try it out IRL, maybe try using race, gender or sexual orientation as your 'Z'. Let us know how you get on. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12412&page=6#post-220233 Tue, 17 May 2016 15:25:16 +0000 Rob 220233@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>"Volvo's poll was more about driving off a cliff vs through a pedestrian (or hitting someone else's car off the cliff to slow yourself)."</em></p> <p>Which is actually very interesting. My initial thought was that I'd rather limit the number of cars out to kill me to my own. However, it just occurred to me that would mean pedestrians/cyclists/normal cars could chase mine off a cliff.</p> <p>Sorry, were we talking about schools or something? Also, not a vegan. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12412&page=6#post-220232 Tue, 17 May 2016 15:21:44 +0000 Charlethepar 220232@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>The exception to this is the claim that all taxi drivers are fat cyclist-hating psychotics, which is true for 100% of my observations s<br /> Meanwhile on citytaxidriveedinburgh, someone is saying 100% of cyclists are sanctimonious tree-hugging vegans.... </em></p> <p>I know which I would rather meet. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12412&page=6#post-220231 Tue, 17 May 2016 15:18:11 +0000 stiltskin 220231@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>The exception to this is the claim that all taxi drivers are fat cyclist-hating psychotics, which is true for 100% of my observations s</em><br /> Meanwhile on citytaxidriveedinburgh, someone is saying 100% of cyclists are sanctimonious tree-hugging vegans.... </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12412&page=6#post-220230 Tue, 17 May 2016 15:17:58 +0000 Charlethepar 220230@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Driverless cars will either have to be real AI smart, and imbued with the Asimov laws <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three_Laws_of_Robotics">of robotics</a> or dumb enough to just stop whenever faced with uncertainty. Anything in between is probably doomed to disaster. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12412&page=6#post-220229 Tue, 17 May 2016 15:15:44 +0000 Rob 220229@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Volvo's poll was more about driving off a cliff vs through a pedestrian (or hitting someone else's car off the cliff to slow yourself). </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12412&page=6#post-220228 Tue, 17 May 2016 15:14:11 +0000 Charlethepar 220228@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@urchaidh</p> <p><em>@Charlethepar</p> <p>Most people who do X can be described as Z-ish.<br /> - Fair enough, statistically there will be at least one way<br /> of categorizing a majority for most Xs. </p> <p>I can therefore assume that any person doing X is Z-ish.<br /> - &lt;family fortunes klaxon&gt;</em></p> <p>Ha ha</p> <p>But surely I can say that the most likely first observation of someone doing X exhibits Z-like features. Therefore, if I am painting a word picture to illustrate a point, it is not unreasonable to put a Z-featured Xer in the picture.</p> <p>The exception to this is the claim that all taxi drivers are fat cyclist-hating psychotics, which is true for 100% of my observations so far. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12412&page=6#post-220224 Tue, 17 May 2016 15:06:05 +0000 PS 220224@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>That alone will probably consign driverless cars to commercial failure.<br /> </em></p> <p>That's pretty much my thoughts on the matter. :D Not sure you can avoid that without letting the cars run folk down, like Volvo seemed to be proposing in their recent Twitter poll. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12412&page=6#post-220220 Tue, 17 May 2016 14:51:16 +0000 Roibeard 220220@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>How would all the positive posters react if a P7 pupil stepped out in front of you and your possibly younger child and forced you both to stop whilst on your bike</em></p> <p>That's a not uncommon occurrence both on carriageways and shared infrastructure.</p> <p>Standard operating procedure is to gently manoeuvre round any pedestrians, at a walking pace.</p> <p>No drama,</p> <p>Robert </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12412&page=6#post-220219 Tue, 17 May 2016 14:50:20 +0000 stiltskin 220219@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>You were a child before the motor car? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12412&page=6#post-220218 Tue, 17 May 2016 14:49:53 +0000 Firedog 220218@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>This is why I'm looking forward to driverless cars - all it will take to stop a car will be a child stepping out in front of it</em>.</p> <p>That alone will probably consign driverless cars to commercial failure. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12412&page=6#post-220217 Tue, 17 May 2016 14:48:58 +0000 Firedog 220217@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>I do think this sort of thing is romanticised a touch ... streets were also used as a convenient sewer/rubbish dump. Do you want to go back to that</em></p> <p>That's a straw man argument. I don't see the link between people reclaiming the streets and the return of medieval open sewers.</p> <p>The streets of my youth were neither dirty nor sewer filled. But they were pretty full of kids. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12412&page=6#post-220215 Tue, 17 May 2016 14:36:02 +0000 stiltskin 220215@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>In the days before motor cars, roads were used as market- and social gathering- places. Residents could trade home made goods, chat and kids play.</em><br /> Ever wondered what a post horn was for?<br /> I do think this sort of thing is romanticised a touch. Plenty of people got run over by horses and the streets were also used as a convenient sewer/rubbish dump. Do you want to go back to that? </p>