http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ CityCyclingEdinburgh Forum » Topic: Family Network news! en Wed, 13 May 2026 06:12:31 +0000 http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12424&page=2#post-214148 Sun, 13 Mar 2016 21:13:32 +0000 chdot 214148@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Ta</p> <p>Last I heard was they hadn't finalised the route, so bit surprised to see it online. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12424#post-214147 Sun, 13 Mar 2016 20:56:17 +0000 drnoble 214147@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Chris: 61 is only signed between Gilmerton Road and the bypass. Through Niddrie there are blue cycle signs, but its not numbered.</p> <p>I think there was a sign at the Morrisons explains it wasn't signed yet, until a few bits of the route are upgraded, but I can't quite remember </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12424#post-214145 Sun, 13 Mar 2016 20:30:26 +0000 chdot 214145@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Interesting map. </p> <p>Anyone know if route 61 has actually been signed (esp around Greendykes + Niddrie)? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12424#post-214139 Sun, 13 Mar 2016 19:41:54 +0000 drnoble 214139@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I spotted when out today on the NEPN that Quiet Routes 11, 13, &amp; 14 have been signed radiating out from five ways junction. </p> <p>I've added these to OSM, so they should show up in cycle streets/the cycle layer next time they are updated. They already show up on <a href="http://cycling.waymarkedtrails.org/en/?zoom=14&amp;lat=55.97217&amp;lon=-3.19363&amp;hill=0.205&amp;base=0.7#" rel="nofollow">http://cycling.waymarkedtrails.org/en/?zoom=14&amp;lat=55.97217&amp;lon=-3.19363&amp;hill=0.205&amp;base=0.7#</a></p> <p>Has anyone spotted any other new signs? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12424#post-184515 Sun, 29 Mar 2015 23:17:35 +0000 smsm1 184515@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>OpenCycleMap does show the proposed cycle routes as a dashed line, e.g. as shown here in Ipswich: <a href="http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=18/52.04910/1.16501&amp;layers=C" rel="nofollow">http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=18/52.04910/1.16501&amp;layers=C</a> </p> <p>Here is the related relation: <a href="http://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/3640484" rel="nofollow">http://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/3640484</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12424#post-184493 Sun, 29 Mar 2015 20:03:43 +0000 chdot 184493@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>He probably meant me!</p> <p>There are no markings (when I said "on road" I meant painted cycle symbols) and I haven't seen a map. </p> <p>Only reverences to it are <a href="http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12424#post-184101">up thread</a>. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12424#post-184491 Sun, 29 Mar 2015 19:57:15 +0000 drnoble 184491@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>robert, were you meaning me? :p</p> <p>I had a look today and didn't see any signs saying it was FCN61, but added the route to OSM without a reference <a href="http://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/4743249" rel="nofollow">http://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/4743249</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12424#post-184266 Thu, 26 Mar 2015 22:04:38 +0000 rbrtwtmn 184266@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>chdot: if you don't know how to edit an OSM relation yourself (it's not the simplest thing to learn ... although once you know how it's a simple thing) then add a note to the openstreetmap.org map to say there's something missing/wrong. The button for this kind of note is on the right hand side of the openstreetmap.org window. A local mapper will pick it up sometime as a task to fix. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12424#post-184220 Thu, 26 Mar 2015 00:39:11 +0000 kaputnik 184220@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>The location of <a href="https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@55.949351,-3.14529,3a,75y,215.37h,68.98t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1sCK0mtToMrh0qNMDrDECVJg!2e0?hl=en">this</a> bit of "shared use path" at Parsons Green Primary must surely be some sort of safer routes to school concession. I just don't know how they expect the chiddlers to get safely up the hill to it in the first place? Oh, and it's on the side with a stepped kerb down to the road so no easy way to get on/off if pavement is blocked. Also on the opposite side from the school meaning at least one unnecessary crossing of the road for any child who wants to use it.</p> <p>I'm sure it let the council clock up a few metres of "off road family network" though for their press releases. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12424#post-184213 Wed, 25 Mar 2015 23:07:01 +0000 chdot 184213@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Thanks, I almost understand... </p> <p>There is a part-route (FCN 61) marked <em>on-road</em> from Gilmerton Dykes Street to Lasswade Road. (Doesn't seem to be marked on OSM.) </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12424#post-184210 Wed, 25 Mar 2015 22:53:58 +0000 rbrtwtmn 184210@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>chdot - the Openstreetmap convention has been to tag a proposed route as state=proposed (in the OSM route relation). See here:<br /> <a href="http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Cycle_routes#Relations" rel="nofollow">http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Cycle_routes#Relations</a></p> <p>(Anyone who wants to know what an Openstreetmap 'relation' is ask me on a separate thread or by message)</p> <p>The well known Opencyclemap rendering of OSM (my second link above) shows these as dotted lines for the National Cycle Network. There's no guarantee that it's therefore set up to do the same for proposed local cycle network routes, but it may well be.</p> <p>Note that things can get a little complicated because if part of a route is proposed and part open then you need two route relations to account for this... which means each change resulting in the need to edit two separate relations.</p> <p>Whether any other renderings of the OSM data take account of proposed cycle routes I don't know. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12424#post-184110 Wed, 25 Mar 2015 00:25:18 +0000 chdot 184110@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"Good site to see this is here (which brings out the formal routes well)"</p> <p>I'd forgotten that route 20 signing isn't complete - though it goes further than Leith Walk (mentioned on some signs).</p> <p><a href="http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12733" rel="nofollow">http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12733</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12424#post-184108 Wed, 25 Mar 2015 00:18:13 +0000 chdot 184108@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Is there an OSM tag for provisional/proposed?</p> <p>Might be useful... </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12424#post-184107 Wed, 25 Mar 2015 00:09:03 +0000 rbrtwtmn 184107@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Openstreetmap based mapping is a pretty good way to keep track of what's actually built/signed. It's accurate too. There's nothing an OSM mapper likes so much as a good bit of cycle route... relatively fast to map once you know how, shows up well... so they are no sooner signed then they are mapped on OSM by someone or other.</p> <p>Good site to see this is here (which brings out the formal routes well):<br /> <a href="http://cycling.waymarkedtrails.org/en/?zoom=13&amp;lat=55.94049&amp;lon=-3.19981&amp;hill=0" rel="nofollow">http://cycling.waymarkedtrails.org/en/?zoom=13&amp;lat=55.94049&amp;lon=-3.19981&amp;hill=0</a></p> <p>Or the more standard 'opencyclemap' version here (shows lots of 'other' bits of cycle network too):<br /> <a href="http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=13/55.9523/-3.2269&amp;layers=C" rel="nofollow">http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=13/55.9523/-3.2269&amp;layers=C</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12424#post-184105 Tue, 24 Mar 2015 23:48:18 +0000 chdot 184105@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Putting those three points into CycleStreets produces -</p> <p><a href="http://www.cyclestreets.net/journey/43779772" rel="nofollow">http://www.cyclestreets.net/journey/43779772</a></p> <p>I suspect the idea is something like the Quietest route. </p> <p>Balanced includes the Burdiehouse Burn, but also the 40mph section of Lasswade Road. </p> <p>So a signed route from the <a href="http://www.cyclestreets.net/journey/43779835">Innocent to Roslin</a>?</p> <p>I think we should be told! </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12424#post-184101 Tue, 24 Mar 2015 23:04:27 +0000 chdot 184101@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>If you've studied the <a href="http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12424#post-146220">map near the top of the page</a> you'll see there is a lot still to be done. </p> <p>So I was a bit surprised to find references on the CEC website to <strike>Highway</strike> Cycle Route 61.</p> <p>Not so much <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Highway_61_Revisited">revisited</a> as never encountered.</p> <p>"</p> <p>As part of the Council’s Family Network Cycle Route 61, The Pillars footpath is to be redetermined to cyletrack to allow both cyclists and pedestrians to use the route. </p> <p>Sections of the footways on Moredun Park Gardens and Gilmerton Road will also be redetermined to cyletrack.</p> <p>"</p> <p><a href="http://www.edinburgh.gov.uk/download/downloads/id/4885/rso1503_statement_of_reasons.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.edinburgh.gov.uk/download/downloads/id/4885/rso1503_statement_of_reasons.pdf</a></p> <p>"</p> <p>As part of the Council’s Family Network Cycle Route 61, an existing Pedestrian Crossing is to be upgraded to a Toucan Crossing at Niddrie Mains Road, Niddrie Marischal Street and Hay Drive junction. To allow both cyclists and pedestrians to access the crossing sections of the footways leading to the crossing need to be redetermined to cyletrack. </p> <p>"</p> <p><a href="http://www.edinburgh.gov.uk/download/downloads/id/4890/rso1504_statement_of_reasons.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.edinburgh.gov.uk/download/downloads/id/4890/rso1504_statement_of_reasons.pdf</a></p> <p>"</p> <p>As part of the Council’s Family Network Cycle Route 61 a shared use cycletrack is to be constructed on Lasswade Road. </p> <p>In order to construct the cycletrack sections of footway and carriageway require to be redetermined.</p> <p>"</p> <p><a href="http://www.edinburgh.gov.uk/download/downloads/id/4881/rso1502_statement_of_reasons.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.edinburgh.gov.uk/download/downloads/id/4881/rso1502_statement_of_reasons.pdf</a></p> <p>That's the COMPLETE set of references to FNCR61!</p> <p>Secret stealth network without any apparent context or consultation. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12424#post-183959 Sun, 22 Mar 2015 21:01:47 +0000 HankChief 183959@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I think routes 8 &amp; 9 have been fully signed now. <a href="http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12365">New Cycle Route Signs Thread</a></p> <p>I have had colleagues say that they have used route 9 signs to navigate out to the airport. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12424#post-183941 Sun, 22 Mar 2015 19:05:06 +0000 chdot 183941@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><a href="https://flic.kr/p/rJPLgw"><img src="https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8739/16893531212_13c5a4ebcc.jpg"></a></p> <p>Don't know if 8, 9, 10, 20 have been completely signed yet(?)</p> <p>Any others started/finished? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12424#post-154744 Mon, 26 May 2014 19:34:58 +0000 chdot 154744@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"</p> <p>The ATAP ‘Family Network’ is now available to view on the Council’s GIS Atlas including timescales and signed routes:</p> <p>"</p> <p><a href="http://217.174.251.127/atlas/cecatlas.html" rel="nofollow">http://217.174.251.127/atlas/cecatlas.html</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12424#post-146293 Mon, 24 Mar 2014 10:03:39 +0000 chdot 146293@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"handy for pointing out to non-cyclists that it is actually a cycle route"</p> <p>True, but having read your other post, think non-cyclists don't know what blue signs are for! </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12424#post-146288 Mon, 24 Mar 2014 02:12:45 +0000 Focus 146288@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@ <strong>chdot</strong></p> <p>"<em>I do sometimes wonder if there is blue sign overkill</em>"</p> <p>Ah, but they are handy for pointing out to non-cyclists that it is actually a cycle route too! (see today's bad driving thread) ;-) </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12424#post-146269 Sun, 23 Mar 2014 21:34:47 +0000 wingpig 146269@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Bagh. I thought I'd recorded the entire West End - Doocot stretch (navigating only by following the signs, where they direct you into right-turns down closed-looking streets) but only got a bit on the return leg...</p> <p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i9jRapyVcZc" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i9jRapyVcZc</a></p> <p>...when I probably only switched it on in case that black hatchback with the daft wheels tried a second close pass. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12424#post-146264 Sun, 23 Mar 2014 20:45:03 +0000 chdot 146264@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I do sometimes wonder if there is blue sign overkill (civic litter)!</p> <p><a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/chdot/13221871045/"><img src="http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7324/13221871045_abfb05089a.jpg"></a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12424#post-146263 Sun, 23 Mar 2014 20:30:13 +0000 chdot 146263@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Previous signing system - no 'branding' or mileage. </p> <p><a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/chdot/2565253039/"><img src="http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3041/2565253039_c38d4d1061.jpg"></a><br /> <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/chdot/2565253039/">'H2EP' sign</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12424#post-146262 Sun, 23 Mar 2014 20:03:20 +0000 chdot 146262@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"how long has it taken to introduce it"</p> <p>At least 10 years (since that particular route was 'devised'). </p> <p><a href="http://connectingedinburgh.files.wordpress.com/2013/04/epark.pdf">connectingedinburgh.files.wordpress.com/2013/04/epark.pdf</a>. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12424#post-146261 Sun, 23 Mar 2014 19:42:52 +0000 Morningsider 146261@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>wingpig - the plans for the family network were first set out in the Active Travel Action Plan, which was published in September 2010. The detail of the routes themselves were set out a bit later. So, being generous to the Council here, about three years. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12424#post-146259 Sun, 23 Mar 2014 19:10:14 +0000 wingpig 146259@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I tried a bit of the freshly-signed #9 on Friday. Shall upload a vid eventually.<br /> Apropos of absolutely nothing whatsoever, how long has it taken to introduce it as far as this signed-with-signs-but-standard-issue-roads-(except-for-the-old-railway) stage? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12424#post-146220 Sat, 22 Mar 2014 15:30:33 +0000 chdot 146220@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>This is the current <em>provisional</em> plan -</p> <p><a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/chdot/13328971113/"><img src="http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7155/13328971113_06ca30c3ba.jpg"></a></p> <p>No timescale (apart from details above). </p> <p>It seems unfortunate that it hasn't built on the extensive work and public consultation of the Core Path Network process - <em>especially</em> the numbering <em>system</em> -</p> <p><a href="http://www.edinburgh.gov.uk/download/downloads/id/3007/core_path_plan_map"><img src="http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7344/13328820555_4cbf2893bb.jpg"></a></p> <p>In addition it doesn't mesh neatly with the aspirations of the <a href="http://edprom.wordpress.com/routes/">Edinburgh Waterfront Promenade</a> project.</p> <p>ADMIN EDIT</p> <p><a href="http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12733">What route 20 is like</a>. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12424#post-146215 Sat, 22 Mar 2014 14:38:56 +0000 HankChief 146215@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>&lt;blushes&gt;</p> <p>Well I just pointed out a few teething problems...</p> <p>Found a couple more that I will put on the other thread.</p> <p>That fact that the routes go up to 20 is promising. Wonder when we'll get to see them all up and running. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12424#post-146101 Fri, 21 Mar 2014 13:02:58 +0000 kaputnik 146101@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Hail to the Hankchief </p>