http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ CityCyclingEdinburgh Forum » Topic: Modal KSI rates en Mon, 18 May 2026 13:14:18 +0000 http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12433#post-146339 Mon, 24 Mar 2014 15:42:43 +0000 le_soigneur 146339@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"I'm sorry, but I think for most people, what matters is who ends up dead. "</p> <p>+1 (and the corollary, that _I_ do not end up dead) </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12433#post-146337 Mon, 24 Mar 2014 15:31:26 +0000 stiltskin 146337@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I'm sorry, but I think for most people, what matters is who ends up dead. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12433#post-146334 Mon, 24 Mar 2014 14:56:28 +0000 chdot 146334@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"I believe that language matters when it comes to words like 'dangerous' and 'accident'"</p> <p>+1 </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12433#post-146333 Mon, 24 Mar 2014 14:48:03 +0000 neddie 146333@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>PS. Sorry, to be a pedant, but I believe that language matters when it comes to words like 'dangerous' and 'accident' </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12433#post-146331 Mon, 24 Mar 2014 14:45:15 +0000 neddie 146331@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>cycling is &gt;4x dangerous than driving</em></p> <p>cycling is &gt;4x <em>more risky</em> than driving.</p> <p>Cycling in itself is not dangerous, it does however carry some risk (from 3rd parties).</p> <p>For drivers, the danger comes from drivers. For cyclists the danger also comes from drivers. Therefore, driving is dangerous, cycling is not. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12433#post-146324 Mon, 24 Mar 2014 13:16:01 +0000 le_soigneur 146324@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>To <a href="www.transportandhealth.org.uk/wp.../THSG-seminar_Cycling-safety.ppt">answer my own question</a><br /> User Fatalities/Millon hours( 2006-08)<br /> 1. Motorbike 4.2<br /> 2. Cyclist 0.4<br /> 3. Pedestrian 0.15<br /> 3. Car 0.1</p> <p>Given that recent years have seen the cycling stats get worse, on fatalities it does look like cycling is &gt;4x dangerous than driving. Relative under-reporting for some modes is unlikely to be significant for fatalities. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12433#post-146279 Sun, 23 Mar 2014 22:34:16 +0000 le_soigneur 146279@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>So where are ksi normalised to time published?<br /> I don't think per trip is valid, because there is no comparison between a trip to JOG and a trip to the corner shop.<br /> I'm not interested in air/rail/space. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12433#post-146272 Sun, 23 Mar 2014 21:43:18 +0000 neddie 146272@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>KSI figures 'per mile' are misleading. By that definition, the space shuttle is one of the safest forms of transport!</p> <p>It is far better to look at KSI per journey, or per hour. Then cycling KSI becomes similar to that for driving (and flying also becomes as dangerous as driving) </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12433#post-146267 Sun, 23 Mar 2014 21:31:20 +0000 le_soigneur 146267@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Interesting contrast between <a href="https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/269601/rrcgb-2012-complete.pdf">relative KSI rates normalised per mile for different transport modes (See p23)</a><br /> For Killed, Motorbike is worst (60%), followed by Pedal Cyclist(20%), then Pedestrian(18%). Coach/Bus 5%. Car 2%.<br /> This changes as you go to serious injury, the trend continuing into slight injury, which has the breakdown:<br /> Motorbike(40%), followed by Pedal Cyclist(35%) &amp; Pedestrian(12%). Coach/Bus 15%. Car 3%.<br /> It seems to me that motorbikes have worse fatality rates than bicycles possibly because of their own speed on rural roads. However bicycles have worse injury rates, because of their lower speed and that they mix more with powered vehicles in lower-speed 30/40mph urban roads. Hence the argument for segregation.<br /> Allowing for the small sample size, why is coach/bus so high? I would have thought with professional drivers and a large footprint, such vehicles would be much safer than cars. </p>