http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ CityCyclingEdinburgh Forum » Topic: Edinburgh: Street Design Guidance Consultation en Mon, 06 Apr 2026 04:07:44 +0000 http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12549&page=2#post-286995 Sun, 15 Jul 2018 20:49:48 +0000 HankChief 286995@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>Anyone had more success? </em></p> <p>Making some progress with the chicanes of West Edinburgh, which I hope will bear fruit...</p> <p>This is a promising tweet from Frank Ross <a href="https://twitter.com/FrankRoss06/status/1016426239425425412" rel="nofollow">https://twitter.com/FrankRoss06/status/1016426239425425412</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12549&page=2#post-286990 Sun, 15 Jul 2018 19:53:27 +0000 Frenchy 286990@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Not yet had much luck getting chicanes removed, despite being able to point at Factsheet P2 - Promoting Pedestrian Movement, which says that: </p> <p>“Design should give special consideration to the young, old and those with disabilities” and “free from barriers such as footway obstructions”</p> <p>Anyone had more success? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12549&page=2#post-286988 Sun, 15 Jul 2018 19:39:56 +0000 HankChief 286988@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I not sure that 'we' noticed (or maybe I missed it) that the Edinburgh Streets Design Guidance came out in December.</p> <p><a href="http://www.edinburgh.gov.uk/streetdesign" rel="nofollow">http://www.edinburgh.gov.uk/streetdesign</a></p> <p>Some good stuff in it... </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12549&page=2#post-246440 Mon, 10 Apr 2017 13:05:35 +0000 neddie 246440@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>The Edinburgh Design Guidance (the Guidance) was originally approved in May 2013. We are now updating it to reflect changes in local and national policy and <strong>would like to hear from you</strong>.</p> <p>We are proposing a range of changes across the Guidance, with <strong>key changes centred on the Council’s Parking Standards</strong>, advice on Build to Rent Housing, and designation of protected views to the Forth Bridge.</em></p> <p><a href="https://consultationhub.edinburgh.gov.uk/sfc/review-of-edinburgh-design-guidance/" rel="nofollow">https://consultationhub.edinburgh.gov.uk/sfc/review-of-edinburgh-design-guidance/</a></p> <p>(my bold) </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12549&page=2#post-163018 Thu, 21 Aug 2014 19:41:48 +0000 crowriver 163018@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Rather "interesting" section on chicanes, complete with photo of the Crawford Bridge!</p> <p>The cycle design guidance does not appear quite finished: not much on off-road facilties for example.</p> <p>Anyway, I'll het feeding back I suppose... </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12549&page=2#post-163013 Thu, 21 Aug 2014 17:20:04 +0000 chdot 163013@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>My bold</p> <p>"</p> <p>Access controls on cycle routes <strong>should be avoided wherever possible</strong>, and <strong>only used where there is a proven requirement</strong>.</p> <p>"</p> <p>Wonder if the Cycle Team wrote that to amend current guidelines?? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12549&page=2#post-163005 Thu, 21 Aug 2014 16:11:57 +0000 PS 163005@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Page 24 of the doc Sally linked to is pertinent to another thread:</p> <p><em>Access controls are commonly provided to prevent entry by motor vehicles or to slow cyclists’ speed on the approach to a junction or bend.</p> <p>Access control to slow cyclists or encourage young children to stop and wait for parents may be required on:<br /> • The approach to a junction or crossing;<br /> • On steep ramps and gradients<br /> • At a blind bend</p> <p>Access controls on cycle routes should be avoided wherever possible, and only used where there is a proven requirement.</p> <p>• <strong>Bollards are the preferred method of access control</strong></em></p> <p>[My emphasis] </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12549&page=2#post-162977 Thu, 21 Aug 2014 13:07:03 +0000 chdot 162977@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"Looks like you just send an email"</p> <p>Yes. </p> <p>Also -</p> <p>"Unfortunately the section on cycle parking hasn’t been included."</p> <p>SO, maybe add some comments on that too! </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12549&page=2#post-162945 Thu, 21 Aug 2014 10:34:18 +0000 sallyhinch 162945@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Oops. crossed with wingpig </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12549&page=2#post-162944 Thu, 21 Aug 2014 10:33:41 +0000 sallyhinch 162944@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Sorry - better link here <a href="http://www.edinburgh.gov.uk/info/20089/roads_and_pavements/906/edinburgh_street_design" rel="nofollow">http://www.edinburgh.gov.uk/info/20089/roads_and_pavements/906/edinburgh_street_design</a></p> <p>The main consultation is closed (it was actually fairly good for cycling) but they are still accepting comments on the detailed design guidelines. Looks like you just send an email </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12549&page=2#post-162943 Thu, 21 Aug 2014 10:33:33 +0000 wingpig 162943@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><blockquote>"<strong><u>Edinburgh Street Design</u></strong><br /> Edinburgh Street Design guidance<br /> The Council are preparing Street Design Guidance for Edinburgh. The guidance will set out how good street design can make better places, whilst improving the way people get around.</p> <p>Edinburgh Street Design consultation<br /> The consultation on the draft Street Design Guidance has now closed. The next step will be to consult on parts of the detailed guidance within the design manual. A number of these are available below with comments accepted until 31 August.</p> <p>If you need to get in touch, please email us at <a href="mailto:streetdesign@edinburgh.gov.uk">streetdesign@edinburgh.gov.uk</a>"</blockquote></p> <p><a href="http://www.edinburgh.gov.uk/info/20089/roads_and_pavements/906/edinburgh_street_design" rel="nofollow">http://www.edinburgh.gov.uk/info/20089/roads_and_pavements/906/edinburgh_street_design</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12549&page=2#post-162942 Thu, 21 Aug 2014 09:58:34 +0000 acsimpson 162942@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Does anyone have a link where we can respond to the consulation? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12549#post-162905 Wed, 20 Aug 2014 21:22:48 +0000 sallyhinch 162905@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Bump: closes at the end of this month <a href="http://www.edinburgh.gov.uk/downloads/file/3577/cycle_environment-draft_for_consultation" rel="nofollow">http://www.edinburgh.gov.uk/downloads/file/3577/cycle_environment-draft_for_consultation</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12549#post-150005 Wed, 23 Apr 2014 15:37:31 +0000 Morningsider 150005@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>The census figures provide a nice historic time series, but the travel to work data has really been superseded as a useful resource by the Scottish Household Survey (SHS). SHS travel and transport figures are published every two years and better reflect what happens in practice than the census figures - although it is still subject to various caveats due to sample sizes etc.</p> <p>Specifically on travel to work/education people are asked:</p> <p>HOW DO YOU USUALLY TRAVEL TO WORK (OR SCHOOL/<br /> COLLEGE/UNIVERSITY IF IN FULL TIME EDUCATION)?</p> <p>I love the fact that one of the list of answers is "Horse riding".</p> <p>There are various supplementary questions about alternative modes, reasons for main mode choice and reasons why people don't cycle.</p> <p>I'm sure Insto knows far more about this than me. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12549#post-149993 Wed, 23 Apr 2014 14:55:59 +0000 sallyhinch 149993@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>The census was only ever intended to be a snapshot of a single day - it's why Emily Wilding Davidson hid herself overnight in the houses of Parliament in order to give her address as the 'House of Commons'. Of course these days you get your census forms way in advance and people don't necessarily fill them in on <em>the</em> day, so if you weren't cycling to work that day you could pick and choose... </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12549#post-149987 Wed, 23 Apr 2014 14:43:34 +0000 Min 149987@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>It also doesn't take into account the effect the weather might have. If it was particularly windy and raining on that one day or particularly nice, it might skew the numbers quite a bit. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12549#post-149986 Wed, 23 Apr 2014 14:32:20 +0000 acsimpson 149986@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I'm not sure why that measure is taken for the census. It seems akin to counting part time or shift working employees who happen to be on a day off as unemployed. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12549#post-149962 Wed, 23 Apr 2014 13:24:56 +0000 chdot 149962@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"Fairly safe to say that the census figure will therefore be less for all cases except those that cycle every day without fail."</p> <p>That makes sense, and 'accounts for' the low 'cycle to work' figure. </p> <p>BUT if the 'high' figures are based on 'one or two days a week' then that's perhaps more questionable as the basis for the 15% by 2020 target. </p> <p><em>If </em> (on average) people cycle to work 2 1/2 days per week (personal multi-mode choice) that <em>could</em> be 15% of people, but only 7 1/2% of journeys</p> <p>Or IF it gets to 15% of work trips, that <em>could</em> mean 30% of people cycle to work regularly. </p> <p>Complicated! </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12549#post-149956 Wed, 23 Apr 2014 12:52:33 +0000 Roibeard 149956@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>IANASE, however...</p> <p>Cycle to work at least once a week, presuming 5 day working week, includes all that cycle one or more of those 5 days.</p> <p>Whereas cycling on the day of the census only captures those that cycled that day, excluding those that cycled one or more days but just not census day.</p> <p>In the worst case, those that cycle just one day a week have only a 20% chance of appearing in the census stats, so assuming a random distribution, the census figures will include only a fifth of the once a week cyclists. The twice a week cyclists have a 40% chance of appearing in the census, etc...</p> <p>Fairly safe to say that the census figure will therefore be less for all cases except those that cycle every day without fail.</p> <p>Robert </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12549#post-149785 Mon, 21 Apr 2014 21:51:49 +0000 chdot 149785@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"which is obviously a more demanding measure"</p> <p>Mmm, I think we need a statistical expert to rule on that. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12549#post-149784 Mon, 21 Apr 2014 21:35:20 +0000 sallyhinch 149784@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>From what I remember, there are two figures bandied about for 'commuting to work' rates. Cycling Scotland put out a report last year that used the percentage of people in each Local Authority who report cycling to work at least once a week. The census measures those who cycled to work on the day of the census, which is obviously a more demanding measure. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12549#post-149763 Mon, 21 Apr 2014 14:47:12 +0000 chdot 149763@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>From 2000</p> <p><a href="https://www.flickr.com/photos/chdot/13949400721/"><img src="https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5531/13949400721_db3afeaa68.jpg"></a></p> <p>The Council wants to create a city where walking and cycling are safe and attractive travel options for short journeys. Walking and cycling are cheap, quiet, pollution-free, don't contribute to traffic congestion, and are good for our health. The Council will prioritise those who walk and cycle within the city in the future design of its traffic management schemes.</p> <p>Since 1991, there has been a 50% increase in the number of people cycling to work. The Council has produced a 'Cycle Friendly Design Guide', including illustration of good practice examples, and has completed much of then National Cycle Network route in the city.</p> <p>For pedestrians, the Council will improve pavements and road crossings on main pedestrian routes, increasing the amount of pedestrian space in the city centre and the introduce more traffic calming measures throughout the city. For cyclists, the number of dedicated cycle lanes and cycle paths will increase, there will be more advanced stop lines at traffic lights and secure cycle parking will be provided on-street and at public transport interchanges such as railway stations.</p> <p>The City of Edinburgh Council Local Transport Strategy Summary (page 9 + 10) </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12549#post-149746 Mon, 21 Apr 2014 13:09:11 +0000 chdot 149746@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"Though I think it says a lot that they can't even be bothered to be consistent"</p> <p>Also - the 15% by 2020 is <em>supposed</em> to mean for all journeys but has been subverted to 'journeys to work'. </p> <p>Either way, won't happen, unless...</p> <p><a href="http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12173&amp;page=3#post-149725">Putting wrong tactiles and sub-standard chicanes on Family Network</a> doesn't inspire confidence. </p> <p>No chance of target being <em>approached</em> unless CEC accepts that it's going to have to 'reallocate roadspace' (not just Leith Walk and George Street). </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12549#post-149745 Mon, 21 Apr 2014 13:01:09 +0000 Calum 149745@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"Sort of doesn't matter. </p> <p>Either means CEC has to do a lot or a LOT TO DO"</p> <p>Ha! Exactly. Though I think it says a lot that they can't even be bothered to be consistent. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12549#post-149729 Mon, 21 Apr 2014 12:11:22 +0000 chdot 149729@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"That says 4% of travel to work in Edinburgh is done by bike (p44). Andrew Burns said it's 8%"</p> <p>Indeed. Sort of doesn't matter. </p> <p>Either means CEC has to do a lot or a LOT TO DO... </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12549#post-149726 Mon, 21 Apr 2014 12:05:50 +0000 Calum 149726@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>That says 4% of travel to work in Edinburgh is done by bike (p44). Andrew Burns said it's 8% <a href="http://www.spokes.org.uk/wordpress/2014/03/cycling-past-present-and-possible-futures/">here</a>. Which is correct? I'd love to think it's the higher figure, but the census <a href="http://celiamac58.blogspot.co.uk/2013/12/census-statistics-on-method-of-travel.html">shows</a> most Edinburgh wards hovering around the 4% mark. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12549#post-149677 Sun, 20 Apr 2014 19:49:51 +0000 chdot 149677@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>All the links above no longer work. </p> <p><a href="http://www.edinburgh.gov.uk//download/downloads/id/1892/edinburgh_street_design_guidance" rel="nofollow">http://www.edinburgh.gov.uk//download/downloads/id/1892/edinburgh_street_design_guidance</a></p> <p>The first part is at</p> <p><a href="http://www.edinburgh.gov.uk/download/downloads/id/1893/edinburgh_waterfront_promenade_design_code" rel="nofollow">http://www.edinburgh.gov.uk/download/downloads/id/1893/edinburgh_waterfront_promenade_design_code</a></p> <p>Which must be some sort of mistake as it has replaced what was/should be there! </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12549#post-148468 Wed, 09 Apr 2014 14:15:10 +0000 kaputnik 148468@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>page 31<br /> Tight corners (i.e. small RADIUSES) will be used to<br /> help pedestrians follow DESIRE LINES and calm the<br /> speeds of turning traffic.<br /> ...<br /> Crossing points will be located on desire lines<br /> </em></p> <p>I think this every morning when using the Broomhouse Path. </p> <p>My pessimistic inner voice then appends "where it wouldn't hinder motor traffic" to the end of such warm statements. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12549#post-148463 Wed, 09 Apr 2014 13:46:15 +0000 PS 148463@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I'm seeing a lot of the following in the 'Basic principles for each street type' pages in respect of cycling layout:<br /> <em>Desirable Minimum = Advisory Carriageway<br /> Recommended = Mandatory lanes or Separated Lanes where appropriate/feasible</em></p> <p>The recommended approach looks good, but clearly the devil is going to be ensuring that the get out of "it's not appropriate/feasible" isn't constantly evoked... </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12549#post-148461 Wed, 09 Apr 2014 13:43:40 +0000 chdot 148461@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>True! </p>