http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ CityCyclingEdinburgh Forum » Topic: "Lorry crash at Cameron Toll bridge causes chaos" en Thu, 21 May 2026 06:30:08 +0000 http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12600&page=2#post-364238 Fri, 14 Oct 2022 12:39:10 +0000 chdot 364238@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Was another a week or 2 ago. </p> <p>Might have gone in the bad driving thread. </p> <p>SOMETHING MUST BE DONE… </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12600&page=2#post-364237 Fri, 14 Oct 2022 12:31:57 +0000 MediumDave 364237@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Another one stuck under the bridge this morning. A Large articulated curtainsider. After deflation of some tyres it just about squeezed under with an unpleasant scraping noise and stopped blocking the bus stop outside the Toyota garage</p> <p>CHAOS was occurring on Dalkeith road as people suddenly switched lanes for some reason. Usually without indicators or checking the mirrors :eyeroll: </p> <p>I slalomed through to walk past (and rubberneck) on the pavement. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12600&page=2#post-170462 Fri, 31 Oct 2014 17:40:10 +0000 slowcoach 170462@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Lucky nobody else was passing at same time. This is continuation of Grange Road mentioned <a href="http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=6113">here</a> before.</p> <p><a href="http://goo.gl/maps/jQ0do">Streetview</a> from 2009 shows a warning sign for the bridge at about 22 secs on the video clip, but it's hard to see if it was there on the video. The warning sign on the bridge itself is clear on the video but seems to be higher up than the 2009 one in streetview - maybe it's been hit in between times. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12600&page=2#post-170438 Fri, 31 Oct 2014 15:02:17 +0000 acsimpson 170438@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>slightly OT as it's not Cameron Toll but this is what happens when a Lorry is where it shouldn't be. I would have been about 15 minutes behind this crash if I'd been on my bike:</p> <p><a href="http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/watch-dramatic-moment-lorry-crashes-4524741">http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/watch-dramatic-moment-lorry-crashes-4524741</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12600&page=2#post-167200 Tue, 07 Oct 2014 09:52:23 +0000 acsimpson 167200@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><a href="http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-29514013">http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-29514013</a></p> <p>It seems Halford's drivers are as professional as their mechanics. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12600&page=2#post-167142 Mon, 06 Oct 2014 13:36:42 +0000 kaputnik 167142@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>We were at Beamish at the weekend. They have a row of workers' houses and also a row of Professionals' houses. The Beamish definition of a Professional would be someone with bad taste in wallpaper and ornaments who does not keep a double bedstead in their parlour. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12600&page=2#post-167106 Mon, 06 Oct 2014 09:36:36 +0000 steveo 167106@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Is this one of these small p capital P issues. </p> <p>The difference between a professional X and a Professional is that one gets paid for doing a job and the other is a legacy term when people with some jobs thought they were inherently better than others. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12600&page=2#post-167099 Mon, 06 Oct 2014 08:47:36 +0000 deckard112 167099@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Regardless of people's definition of professional, I think you'll find the majority of bank workers are heavily regulated by the FCA. I personally have to complete a minimum of 15 mandatory assessments every 12 months. This is in addition to continual compliance and behavioural monitoring and I don't even formally dispense 'advice'. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12600&page=2#post-166924 Fri, 03 Oct 2014 10:52:42 +0000 AKen 166924@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>The world's oldest profession requires no formal qualifications. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12600&page=2#post-166923 Fri, 03 Oct 2014 10:35:19 +0000 14Westfield 166923@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I've always thought that the distinction of 'professionals' is that they were paid for what they know, rather than what they do.<br /> That way includes a master carpenter who creates an ornate bench just as much a judge who sits behind it. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12600&page=2#post-166916 Fri, 03 Oct 2014 10:23:36 +0000 Ed1 166916@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>When someone refers to be someone doing something on a professional basis, the assumption would be they get paid for it. To refer to someone as a professional traditionally would have meant a doctor or a lawyer would expect some advanced education, membership of a group. Now a professional seems to be water down to mean anyone that works in an office. </p> <p>I always think if someone describes them self as a professional it probably means they are not in the traditional sense if they were a professional in the traditional sense they would most likely say what they do not use some vague diluted term.</p> <p>Bank worker, public servants, HR all these people may describe as professional yet not have any advanced or speclized education and not necessarily belong to a professional body.</p> <p>It would depend if using as adjective or noun, see Synonyms it would depend on the context and how is being used. </p> <p>It can just mean in some contexts someone that is being paid to do something rather than someone who is not being paid.</p> <p><a href="http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/professional" rel="nofollow">http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/professional</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12600#post-166913 Fri, 03 Oct 2014 10:20:03 +0000 cb 166913@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_professions">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_professions</a></p> <p>Not sure if a Wikipedia article is much of a definitive list but only Air Traffic Controllers, Pilots and Sea Captains make it into the Transport section. Wot, no taxi drivers? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12600#post-166904 Fri, 03 Oct 2014 10:04:11 +0000 I were right about that saddle 166904@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@urchaidh</p> <p>To drive a large goods vehicle you need to pass extensive written and practical state tests and regular health checks once over the age of fifty.</p> <p>No such legal framework exists for the majority of those who work in, say, banks.</p> <p>Luckily most of my work errors are less visible than a lorry stuck under a city centre bridge. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12600#post-166898 Fri, 03 Oct 2014 09:45:14 +0000 urchaidh 166898@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>if someone drives a vehicle as a job, driving a vehicle is their profession, therefore they are a professional driver, irrespective of the standard to which they perform their duties</em></p> <p>They are only a professional if the job they do is a profession. Not all jobs are professions, I'll admit the definition is a bit woolly but I'm fairly sure wagon driving isn't in the grey area.</p> <p>Apologies for the delayed action pedantry. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12600#post-166868 Thu, 02 Oct 2014 21:51:25 +0000 chdot 166868@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><a href="http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/lorry-hits-rail-bridge-at-cameron-toll-1-3561064" rel="nofollow">http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/lorry-hits-rail-bridge-at-cameron-toll-1-3561064</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12600#post-160636 Wed, 30 Jul 2014 06:35:10 +0000 amir 160636@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I was affected by that. It was causing great confusion. Fortunately bikes have more alternative routes available than cars. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12600#post-160628 Tue, 29 Jul 2014 22:45:49 +0000 chdot 160628@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><a href="http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/another-lorry-hits-cameron-toll-rail-bridge-1-3492398" rel="nofollow">http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/another-lorry-hits-cameron-toll-rail-bridge-1-3492398</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12600#post-157252 Wed, 18 Jun 2014 16:50:25 +0000 RJ 157252@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>All clear now, apparently:</p> <p><a href="https://twitter.com/edintravel/status/479268644028174336" rel="nofollow">https://twitter.com/edintravel/status/479268644028174336</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12600#post-157250 Wed, 18 Jun 2014 16:47:04 +0000 Cyclingmollie 157250@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Thye Daily Mirror helpfully categorises all its bad driving stories to create this litany of horror:</p> <p><a href="http://www.mirror.co.uk/all-about/dangerous%20driving">http://www.mirror.co.uk/all-about/dangerous%20driving</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12600#post-157249 Wed, 18 Jun 2014 16:45:33 +0000 neddie 157249@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I saw a photo taken by a lorry driver on the Book of Faces of the paper rolls mess on the bypass the other day. He was driving in the opposite direction. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12600#post-157245 Wed, 18 Jun 2014 16:09:36 +0000 Snowy 157245@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>The one by @chase_jon appears to be a company vehicle judging from the no smoking sticker &amp; paperwork on the dash. Short bonnet so probably a van. Wonder if his employer sanctions him snapping photos while he's driving? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12600#post-157238 Wed, 18 Jun 2014 15:05:25 +0000 neddie 157238@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>The one on Twitter taken by @chase_jon while driving has been added to the EEN article! </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12600#post-157230 Wed, 18 Jun 2014 14:26:26 +0000 Min 157230@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em> If going the "correct" way round the junction, then that view is only possible from the driver's side</em></p> <p>Yes, I think you are right. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12600#post-157216 Wed, 18 Jun 2014 13:23:25 +0000 twq 157216@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>However this photo definitely was taken by someone driving.<br /> <a href="https://twitter.com/chase_jon/status/479195572201873409/photo/1" rel="nofollow">https://twitter.com/chase_jon/status/479195572201873409/photo/1</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12600#post-157211 Wed, 18 Jun 2014 13:04:29 +0000 RJ 157211@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I know that junction well. The two pictures are taken from almost the same place. The first one is clearly from from a seat next to the emergency exit of a bus going the "correct" way round. It's impossible to be sure of the direction of travel of the vehicle the second picture was taken from. If going the "correct" way round the junction, then that view is only possible from the driver's side - but it's *conceivable* that the picture could have been taken from the passenger side of a vehicle directed the "wrong" way round the junction from Dalkeith Road or Peffermill Road up Old Dalkeith Road. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12600#post-157206 Wed, 18 Jun 2014 12:50:37 +0000 Min 157206@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Actually, it does look to me as if it is being taken from the back seat as the writing on the road is upside down, suggesting the vehicle is moving away. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12600#post-157204 Wed, 18 Jun 2014 12:49:11 +0000 Min 157204@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Nah, they'll have had their phone in their hand anyway.. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12600#post-157201 Wed, 18 Jun 2014 12:43:27 +0000 neddie 157201@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>If you look closely at the lower smaller image in the article, it looks like it has been taken from the driver's seat of a car on the roundabout!</p> <p>Surely illegal / dangerous. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12600#post-157199 Wed, 18 Jun 2014 12:36:10 +0000 Min 157199@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Blimey, were they trying to slide under it sideways? I think that only works in Hollywood. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12600#post-157194 Wed, 18 Jun 2014 12:10:15 +0000 kaputnik 157194@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>There's a tunnel in Australialand (Sydney, I think) which is constantly getting high HGVs crash into it, despite multiple large and obvious signs and flashing lights triggered by height detectors.</p> <p>The rather awesome solution is a projection system that displays on a water curtain. If a high-sided vehicle is detected approaching the tunnel portal, the curtain is deployed by spraying a fine mist of water across the mouth of tunnel and the projectors display an enormous "STOP!" sign across the path of travel. </p>