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CityCyclingEdinburgh Forum » Topic: Good piece of CEC cycle infrastructure http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ CityCyclingEdinburgh Forum » Topic: Good piece of CEC cycle infrastructure en Mon, 18 May 2026 21:34:26 +0000 ih on "Good piece of CEC cycle infrastructure" http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12660&page=2#post-257571 Fri, 18 Aug 2017 17:17:11 +0000 ih 257571@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ Thanks @Frenchy - that's the one. I also extract from that document the first sentence in that section that deals with access controls; chicanes and rumbles 6.5 Access Controls Access controls on cycle routes should be avoided wherever possible, and only used where there is a proven requirement. "Proven requirement." Nothing in the FoI answers above indicates they even assessed the requirement, let alone found it proven. Frenchy on "Good piece of CEC cycle infrastructure" http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12660&page=2#post-257568 Fri, 18 Aug 2017 16:57:52 +0000 Frenchy 257568@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ @ih - yes, the document is Cycling by Design. <a href="https://www.transport.gov.scot/media/14173/cycling_by_design_2010__rev_1__june_2011_.pdf">Link to pdf</a> Figure 6.14 - page 78 ih on "Good piece of CEC cycle infrastructure" http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12660&page=2#post-257566 Fri, 18 Aug 2017 16:33:40 +0000 ih 257566@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ There's a Scottish Government standard on chicane design isn't there? (I've lost the link to it) Who are these petty bureaucrats (like the one mentioned up thread) who feel they can just override the standard for their own ill-informed reasons and install this crap? Frenchy on "Good piece of CEC cycle infrastructure" http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12660&page=2#post-257562 Fri, 18 Aug 2017 16:10:15 +0000 Frenchy 257562@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ Thanks! acsimpson on "Good piece of CEC cycle infrastructure" http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12660&page=2#post-257556 Fri, 18 Aug 2017 15:47:44 +0000 acsimpson 257556@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ That's a pretty good list and covers any I would mention. The last (Dalmeny) one is really poor as it's newly installed. Arellcat on "Good piece of CEC cycle infrastructure" http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12660&page=2#post-257506 Fri, 18 Aug 2017 08:27:55 +0000 Arellcat 257506@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ @Frenchy, bit of an expansive question, but it's all to do with turning radius and occasionally to do with width/length. Off the top of my head I can do the chicane at Cramond Brig, the staggered gates to the west of Edinburgh Park station, the tram level crossings to the east of EDP and the one at Stenhouse, the chicane at Balgreen Road, the chicane at Groathill/Craiglieth (requires a 3-point turn), the easternmost of the two chicanes at the back entrance to Heriot-Watt Uni, and the infra around St Leonards (with much corner-cutting). I can also just manage the underpass under the A720 at Edinburgh Park. By contrast, the chicane on NCN1 at Cramond Road South is only just possible, with millimetres to spare. The manoeuvre from Seafield Street to the path to Portobello Prom requires a 3-point turn. The jink around the A8 south cycle path at Ratho Station footbridge requires a 3-point turn. The zigzag ramp at Russell Road requires me to climb out to lift the back end and swinging it around each corner. The zigzag ramp at the West Approach Road/Upper Grove Place is impossible. All the road crossings on the Innocent, east of Duddingston Road West, are impossible. The road crossings on Broomhouse Road and South Gyle Access are impossible (but I've always used the road anyway). The southernmost chicane on Killikrankies Path at SQ/Dalmeny is impossible. Frenchy on "Good piece of CEC cycle infrastructure" http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12660&page=2#post-257493 Thu, 17 Aug 2017 21:53:40 +0000 Frenchy 257493@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ Aye. Doesn't look particularly wide in that photo, but the photo is a few years old, so possibly pre-widening. Or might just be deceptive. Thanks! Any others? @Arellcat - where can you fit the torpedo? gembo on "Good piece of CEC cycle infrastructure" http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12660&page=2#post-257491 Thu, 17 Aug 2017 21:46:49 +0000 gembo 257491@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ Looks pitch black on my iPad. Not sure why but it is at no 29 Frenchy on "Good piece of CEC cycle infrastructure" http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12660#post-257489 Thu, 17 Aug 2017 21:40:45 +0000 Frenchy 257489@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <a href="https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@55.9182479,-3.3163021,3a,39.6y,171.84h,85.14t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1st7Zz7Y6hDzsAzmcicECRfQ!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo3.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3Dt7Zz7Y6hDzsAzmcicECRfQ%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D116.4508%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i13312!8i6656?hl=en">This one?</a> gembo on "Good piece of CEC cycle infrastructure" http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12660#post-257484 Thu, 17 Aug 2017 21:31:18 +0000 gembo 257484@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ There is a very wide chicane, this forum had widened. It is at hermiston village on the path to Heriot watt. Initally put in by the council as the poor owner of house on that corner was getting cyclists whizzing by. Now the chicane slows the cyclists down so the home owner is happy but the chicane is wide enough for bike and trailer. Oh yes Frenchy on "Good piece of CEC cycle infrastructure" http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12660#post-257478 Thu, 17 Aug 2017 21:14:05 +0000 Frenchy 257478@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ Currently in the process of bashing my head against the metaphorical wall regarding the recent changes in Magdalene Glen. A council officer tells me that if the gaps between chicane barriers were made too big then the chicane would not have had the desired effect - which was to "make all users aware of each other". I think it would be useful to point to counter examples of well-designed chicanes. I can't think of any. Any help? calmac on "Good piece of CEC cycle infrastructure" http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12660#post-150924 Tue, 29 Apr 2014 11:39:44 +0000 calmac 150924@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ I did the H2EP route this morning for the first time. I was not impressed. I know this thread is for good stuff, so I'll keep my criticisms for elsewhere, but worth saying here that I didn't see any route 8 signs before Jenners Depository. Nor are there signs for EP before then - they're for Balgreen, Davidson's Mains and Carrick Knowe. Not much help if you're not familiar with the city. In fact, when I came out of Haymarket I didn't see any signs at all. Just tram tracks and a very busy road with buses and coaches queued for the stop. Not exactly inviting for the average cyclist, let alone a newbie. Edinburgh Cycle Training on "Good piece of CEC cycle infrastructure" http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12660#post-150847 Mon, 28 Apr 2014 20:30:47 +0000 Edinburgh Cycle Training 150847@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ a few weeks ago, out of curiosity (and it was a nice day and I was in no hurry to get to work) I followed the signs from haymarket to the gyle. I didn't get lost, but it was a bit off my preferred route, and it took me along about half a mile of muddy rutted path (towards Balgreen tramstop) It does look like that path has been tarmaced now, but it was really rubbish at the time. Again out of interest, on my way home tonight I counted (i know) the strips of full width relayed tarmac on the balgreen tramway path - 19! Nineteen on a brand new bit of infrastructure! HankChief on "Good piece of CEC cycle infrastructure" http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12660#post-150842 Mon, 28 Apr 2014 20:09:12 +0000 HankChief 150842@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ @Bikeability I like the mostly continuous signage on the H2EP (Haymarket 2 Edinburgh Park) route. I was thinking about this route only yesterday - long story but someone from out of town was looking to pick up their POP Tshirt from me at my work out West. She asked if she could cycle out from Haymarket. I did ponder if I could say follow route 9 and I'm at the end... I came to conclusion that it's not at that standard - I'm not sure if the wiggly route it takes it will ever be. Once the signs are fixed, I would recommend to someone with some knowledge of Edinburgh layout with a little guidance(i.e. stay between the A8 and the railway line), but not to an out-of-towner. We still have a way to go... calmac on "Good piece of CEC cycle infrastructure" http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12660#post-150835 Mon, 28 Apr 2014 19:50:45 +0000 calmac 150835@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ H'lo, long term lurker but this is my first post. I have to say, no bit of bike infrastructure that is shared with cars or pedestrians can ever genuinely be described as good. I'm generally pretty positive and I believe in encouraging people when they're doing their best. But the modern, shiny infrastructure in Edinburgh is still stone aged compared to how is should be. Something I've been doing lately is randomly dropping into roads and junction in the Netherlands on Google streetview. (Sad, but recommended). And what I constantly find is bike paths seperated from both cars and pedestrians by kerbs and reservations. Also, here, when a bike path reaches a road junction it's always, always the cyclist who has to give way, even to the side-road. In the Netherlands it's never like that - the side-road gives way to both the main road and the bike path alongside it. As for sharing with pedestrians, if the cars don't have to do it then why should I? Even a fat old slowcoach like me will cycle at a steady 12mph or so, much faster on downhills/ with prevailing wind/ when late for train. That's too fast to come up behind pedestrians. And painting a white line down the middle of a moderately-sized path and sticking an occasional wee white bike or person in each lane is a joke, really. It's never going to be observed, and the bike bit isn't even wide enough for passing. Until we get anything like what the Dutch take for granted, anywhere in the city, then we shouldn't be bigging up the improvements, because they're not good enough. Someone should take the council officials in charge to somewhere like Rotterdam and say "that. Do that". kaputnik on "Good piece of CEC cycle infrastructure" http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12660#post-150751 Mon, 28 Apr 2014 13:01:53 +0000 kaputnik 150751@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ @Bikeability I think what happened there was they built the path first as it was being used during tram construction (shut to the public). They then openened the path. They then installed the lamp posts. They then came back to dig up the path as the electrical services cabling must have been on the "wrong" side of the path. A sensible council might have done the above in a different order. It might also have checked which side the electrical cables were on before installing the lamp posts on the opposite side... They left the path open but with unfilled trenches in it while they were "remedying" things. Nelly on "Good piece of CEC cycle infrastructure" http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12660#post-150750 Mon, 28 Apr 2014 13:00:53 +0000 Nelly 150750@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ "I'm really not convinced CEC deserve or are due credit for anything cycle related" Although - I think this is true - technically they didnt build that path, and will adopt it once the tram has been 'handed over'. Radgeworks on "Good piece of CEC cycle infrastructure" http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12660#post-150749 Mon, 28 Apr 2014 13:00:40 +0000 Radgeworks 150749@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ I have always found the westward only on the setts cycle lane that goes from Richmond Place up the left hand side of Hill Place, to the South Bridge A7 to be well intended but totally ineffective infrastructure, does that count? Radgeworks Edinburgh Cycle Training on "Good piece of CEC cycle infrastructure" http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12660#post-150742 Mon, 28 Apr 2014 12:43:49 +0000 Edinburgh Cycle Training 150742@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ One of the best bits, and certainly newest bits of cycling infrastructure is the Carricknowe/Balgreen tramway path. Next time you are on it, count how many full width "repairs" there are to it. I appreciate they may technically be repairs, but it looks like every lap post has its own u-ground power supply from the tramway - added after surfacing the path. The joins are good, but that's not the point is it. There must be at least a dozen strips on a brand new path that just shouldn't be there. I'm really not convinced CEC deserve or are due credit for anything cycle related. Bhachgen on "Good piece of CEC cycle infrastructure" http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12660#post-150736 Mon, 28 Apr 2014 12:35:31 +0000 Bhachgen 150736@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ I like the mostly continuous signage on the H2EP (Haymarket 2 Edinburgh Park) route. The route isn't perfect as it's largely on-road and it does require a couple of unprotected crossings of busier roads. Overall though it's something I'd like to see more of - through routes. I appreciate that the journeys of just a couple of miles are often the ones that facilities are aimed at, but signposting a route through or into a city that links up a few offroad paths via quieter residential streets is a real boon for those traveling longer distances. Despite the bus lanes the A8 into town is not the most pleasant experience, and generally better avoided except at quieter times. Of course one can sit down with Google Maps, OSM, Spokes Map etc to plan a route like this but then actually navigating it on the ground when there are so many junctions, turns etc can be a proper PITA and potentially lead to a decision that the easier to follow main road route will just be quicker and easier despite the drawbacks. Its_Me_Knees on "Good piece of CEC cycle infrastructure" http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12660#post-150516 Sun, 27 Apr 2014 10:39:18 +0000 Its_Me_Knees 150516@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ Waiting to see how the Wester Coates eastbound resurfacing turns out. If it banishes the old moonscape for a meaningful length of time, it will be a great improvement. Kokomo on "Good piece of CEC cycle infrastructure" http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12660#post-150497 Sat, 26 Apr 2014 22:40:45 +0000 Kokomo 150497@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ Good to talk about the successes and I agree that most of the good recent CEC infrastructure is paths. I particularly like: 1) Restalrig Railway Path - a good local amenity (especially the ramps - Restalrig Road and Leith Links, new access to Seafield St and the bridge over Seafield Pl) 2) new tram path next to Carrick Knowe golf course - will be even better when the Balgreen toucan is added 3) A90 / B924 path improvements done so far 4) Silverknowes Prom 5) Rodney Street Tunnel 6) new ramp onto Ferry Rd Path from South Trinity Rd and path between Innocent and Kings Haugh - both from developers 7) Christian Path (built by Sustrans) Some non path stuff 1) replacing Gardners crescent roundabout at end of the canal with traffic lights and cycle/ped crossings 2) toucan crossing across Sir Harry Lauder Rd and path link through fishwives causeway Don't know if it was all 'right first time' but food for thought anyway holisticglint on "Good piece of CEC cycle infrastructure" http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12660#post-150286 Fri, 25 Apr 2014 11:53:16 +0000 holisticglint 150286@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ Technically Midlothian but the segregated bypass for the Sheriffhall P+R roundabout (although bumpy and dumps you into fast moving traffic) is definitely the sort of thing I would welcome more of. <a href="https://maps.google.co.uk/maps?q=edinburgh&hl=en&ll=55.904936,-3.100226&spn=0.008937,0.015879&sll=57.746995,-4.687341&sspn=8.675467,16.259766&t=h&hnear=Edinburgh,+City+of+Edinburgh,+United+Kingdom&z=16&layer=c&cbll=55.904998,-3.10033&panoid=jzYGmHF2xvHPz7qp3h7WUQ&cbp=12,293.25,,0,-9.73" rel="nofollow">https://maps.google.co.uk/maps?q=edinburgh&hl=en&ll=55.904936,-3.100226&spn=0.008937,0.015879&sll=57.746995,-4.687341&sspn=8.675467,16.259766&t=h&hnear=Edinburgh,+City+of+Edinburgh,+United+Kingdom&z=16&layer=c&cbll=55.904998,-3.10033&panoid=jzYGmHF2xvHPz7qp3h7WUQ&cbp=12,293.25,,0,-9.73</a> Also these chicane type things with a cycle filter are great (there must be some in CEC territory) <a href="https://maps.google.co.uk/maps?q=edinburgh&hl=en&ll=55.853077,-3.053456&spn=0.001119,0.001985&sll=57.746995,-4.687341&sspn=8.675467,16.259766&t=h&hnear=Edinburgh,+City+of+Edinburgh,+United+Kingdom&z=19&layer=c&cbll=55.853152,-3.053473&panoid=P2OlOopucMxS1uUyb3NU-Q&cbp=12,177.88,,0,12.16" rel="nofollow">https://maps.google.co.uk/maps?q=edinburgh&hl=en&ll=55.853077,-3.053456&spn=0.001119,0.001985&sll=57.746995,-4.687341&sspn=8.675467,16.259766&t=h&hnear=Edinburgh,+City+of+Edinburgh,+United+Kingdom&z=19&layer=c&cbll=55.853152,-3.053473&panoid=P2OlOopucMxS1uUyb3NU-Q&cbp=12,177.88,,0,12.16</a> the filter is vital though. I have had nasty experiences where it is missing such as here <a href="https://maps.google.co.uk/maps?q=edinburgh&hl=en&ll=55.915622,-3.108632&spn=0.000395,0.000496&sll=57.746995,-4.687341&sspn=8.675467,16.259766&t=h&hnear=Edinburgh,+City+of+Edinburgh,+United+Kingdom&z=21&layer=c&cbll=55.915622,-3.108632&panoid=acIqntC40dDvbwLIUPiRwg&cbp=12,153.95,,0,-3.16" rel="nofollow">https://maps.google.co.uk/maps?q=edinburgh&hl=en&ll=55.915622,-3.108632&spn=0.000395,0.000496&sll=57.746995,-4.687341&sspn=8.675467,16.259766&t=h&hnear=Edinburgh,+City+of+Edinburgh,+United+Kingdom&z=21&layer=c&cbll=55.915622,-3.108632&panoid=acIqntC40dDvbwLIUPiRwg&cbp=12,153.95,,0,-3.16</a> kaputnik on "Good piece of CEC cycle infrastructure" http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12660#post-150256 Fri, 25 Apr 2014 09:40:22 +0000 kaputnik 150256@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ LRC became CEC 1994-5? To be precise, part of LRC and the EDC became CEC. The Colinton Kirk graveyard still has a nice EDC metal name plaque at the gate. It had some meaningless, aspirational slogan on it about delivering this or that or something. wee folding bike on "Good piece of CEC cycle infrastructure" http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12660#post-150247 Fri, 25 Apr 2014 08:21:19 +0000 wee folding bike 150247@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ Brilliant Tarmac from jenner's suppository Tried a suppository once. Didn't work at all. You would be as well sticking it up your @r23. gembo on "Good piece of CEC cycle infrastructure" http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12660#post-150207 Thu, 24 Apr 2014 18:14:54 +0000 gembo 150207@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ LRC became CEC 1994-5? Obviously the bits to west east and mid became the other Lothian authorities respectively. NEPN upkeep, gritting now etc good Loads of recent year end little improvements. Brilliant Tarmac from jenner's suppository to Stenhouse path AKen on "Good piece of CEC cycle infrastructure" http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12660#post-150199 Thu, 24 Apr 2014 16:24:00 +0000 AKen 150199@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ Mostly Lothian Regional Council created that though, not CEC? (Or am I mistaken?) crowriver on "Good piece of CEC cycle infrastructure" http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12660#post-150197 Thu, 24 Apr 2014 16:20:56 +0000 crowriver 150197@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ North Edinburgh Path Network is mostly good. wingpig on "Good piece of CEC cycle infrastructure" http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12660#post-150196 Thu, 24 Apr 2014 16:20:21 +0000 wingpig 150196@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ Was the crossing at the upper end of Leamington Walk initially implemented in the state in which it is seen today? Stickman on "Good piece of CEC cycle infrastructure" http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12660#post-150195 Thu, 24 Apr 2014 16:15:46 +0000 Stickman 150195@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ Good (mostly) - Corstorphine/Pinkhill/Balgreen path now linking up with the new Stenhouse path.