http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ CityCyclingEdinburgh Forum » Topic: PoP 2014 - Thoughts? en Thu, 09 Apr 2026 19:28:29 +0000 http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12676&page=5#post-185583 Sat, 11 Apr 2015 11:27:33 +0000 sallyhinch 185583@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Thanks to chdot for the reminder about this thread! Just to say that we'll be having the minute's silence at the Parly this year (thank you for the suggestion) and hopefully a beefier sound system. There will be little flags (with a schedule on the back) to give it hopefully a more festive feel, and the pedestrians on parliament will have their own banner too (and a 'feeder walk' from Waverley). It sounds like 'kids to the front' is popular enough to repeat, although there wasn't anything like enough room for all the families that turn out to POP. We'll also beef up the organisation for the unfeeder rides. </p> <p>So now it's your turn, I guess: we need your help flyering, chalking, talking, feeder-ride-organising, and generally spreading the word. And having volunteers to do a bit of light marshalling at the Meadows - handing out flags, helping with the t-shirts, telling people what's going on, but not actually marshalling the ride itself - will probably help enormously. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12676&page=5#post-151062 Tue, 29 Apr 2014 22:11:31 +0000 chdot 151062@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><a href="http://pedalonparliament.org/weasel-words" rel="nofollow">http://pedalonparliament.org/weasel-words</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12676&page=5#post-151042 Tue, 29 Apr 2014 20:33:07 +0000 chdot 151042@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><a href="http://road.cc/content/news/117551-families-fore-thousands-turn-out-scotlands-pedal-parliament" rel="nofollow">http://road.cc/content/news/117551-families-fore-thousands-turn-out-scotlands-pedal-parliament</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12676&page=5#post-151033 Tue, 29 Apr 2014 20:07:52 +0000 Arellcat 151033@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Sally, I tend to call it 'Speaker's Hill', but I've no idea if Mirales—or anyone else—had a proper name for it. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12676&page=5#post-151023 Tue, 29 Apr 2014 19:14:58 +0000 gembo 151023@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>pop3 covered on road cc with big debate in comments regards segregation in netherlands </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12676&page=5#post-151022 Tue, 29 Apr 2014 18:59:09 +0000 Kim 151022@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>The shot was famously fired from a man standing on the grassy knoll (or not as the case maybe).</p> <p>Either way, PoP is one of the few protests held outside Holyrood to need to use it. It is interesting that way that every year one of the politicians says "this is the biggest demonstration that has been held here outside Holyrood"... </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12676&page=5#post-150996 Tue, 29 Apr 2014 15:48:24 +0000 acsimpson 150996@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>On the grassy knoll should be safe anyway. It's if they decide to drive past while others are behind it that they'll be in trouble. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12676&page=5#post-150992 Tue, 29 Apr 2014 15:28:59 +0000 sallyhinch 150992@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>It's hard to call it anything else - I wonder if the architects had that in mind when they created it? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12676&page=5#post-150989 Tue, 29 Apr 2014 15:24:22 +0000 fimm 150989@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"<em>we have to remember not to call it the grassy knoll. </em>"<br /> I'm only quoting Magnatom... ;-)<br /> "Central mound" or something similarly non-reminiscent of politicans getting shot? (We try to kill them by encouraging them to cycle with us instead...) </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12676&page=4#post-150980 Tue, 29 Apr 2014 14:45:44 +0000 Instography 150980@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>And where exactly is the nearest book depository? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12676&page=4#post-150978 Tue, 29 Apr 2014 14:39:22 +0000 sallyhinch 150978@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>It was my incompetence with bamboo and forgetting the sellotape that made the politicians less conspicuous than they might have been. Other than that, we mentioned it several times, it was on the 'on the day' flyer (how many of you got one of those?) and I was standing around with a lemon with a sign directing people towards the relevant people, so we did our best. The politicians seemed very happy from the emails I got afterwards, perhaps because they *weren't* mobbed, but I know that Ian Fyfe (widower of Audrey) buttonholed Keith Brown and was giving him some full and frank feedback from what I've heard. That alone was probably worth the price of admission.</p> <p>We may put them on the grassy knoll next year, but it's a bit of a scramble to get on and off it if you're in non-cycling jeans. Also we have to remember not to call it the grassy knoll. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12676&page=4#post-150968 Tue, 29 Apr 2014 13:51:49 +0000 fimm 150968@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I went and spoke to Marco Biagi. I had an interesting chat with him, though I'm not quite sure what I came away with, and then I went off because I thought someone else might want to talk to him. </p> <p>I did think that it was a good idea. I wonder how many people realised they were there. Maybe sticking them all up on the "grassy knoll" would have made them more visible? Dave B did keep saying that they were there and to come and speak to them. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12676&page=4#post-150965 Tue, 29 Apr 2014 13:42:05 +0000 kaputnik 150965@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>Adam McVey riding with us, and he was spotting poor infrastructure along the way to take up with the relevant people afterwards, as well as asking us for anything we were unhappy with. </em></p> <p>Chdot cleverly took him out on a pre-Pop bad infrastructure training session so he should now be fully qualified at what works and what doesn't. After all, the best way to test it (and the way the council seem to refuse to do) is to try riding a bicycle through it. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12676&page=4#post-150961 Tue, 29 Apr 2014 13:37:42 +0000 threefromleith 150961@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>That's good. I was worried that it hadn't worked as an idea.</p> <p>Looks like they were speaking to the ones not gathered in the bunch in front of me (L Hinds, Ian Murray, Andrew Burns and others)</p> <p>The Leith Feeder Ride had Cllr Adam McVey riding with us, and he was spotting poor infrastructure along the way to take up with the relevant people afterwards, as well as asking us for anything we were unhappy with. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12676&page=4#post-150957 Tue, 29 Apr 2014 13:30:38 +0000 chdot 150957@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"I didn't see anyone come up and speak to them"</p> <p>I don't think they were 'overwhelmed', but various people did, so it was a good idea worth repeating and 'flagging' more clearly. </p> <p>One person engaged with at least three politicians!</p> <p><a href="https://www.flickr.com/photos/chdot/14021424075/"><img src="https://farm3.staticflickr.com/2908/14021424075_9f90cb0581.jpg"></a></p> <p><a href="https://www.flickr.com/photos/chdot/14041407133/"><img src="https://farm3.staticflickr.com/2937/14041407133_ef6854b7e0.jpg"></a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12676&page=4#post-150955 Tue, 29 Apr 2014 13:21:38 +0000 threefromleith 150955@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I stood behind all the politicians (MPs/MSPs/Councillors). Sally Hinchcliffe (I think) stood near them for a while with a flag on a pole indicating that they were there, but other than their pals saying hello I didn't see anyone come up and speak to them from the time I arrived until I left. They stayed to the very end though. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12676&page=4#post-150916 Tue, 29 Apr 2014 11:09:41 +0000 acsimpson 150916@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>The Politicians were standing just in front of David. There seemed to be flags to let people know which area they covered but these weren't being held above head height so not very obvious for those further away. I'm not sure they had any sort of desks though.</p> <p>I liked the chant which the young girl got the crowd to do before the kid's speeches, although I'm not sure it had as many people shouting as it could have done. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12676&page=4#post-150908 Tue, 29 Apr 2014 10:56:57 +0000 i 150908@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Interesting about how to make people linger more at the Parliament area. We'd need to give more reasons to linger afterwards. </p> <p>Some food stalls to sell cakes, biscuits and drinks could be an opportunity to raise more funding for PoP. Its lunch time and a lot of hungry people on bikes. </p> <p>I missed the MP and MSP desk area, I don't know how long that lingered over for and what that was like.</p> <p>Did we have a letter writing desk? That would be good for writing to politicians. </p> <p>I rather liked when David Brennan last year asked the crowd "Is the government doing enough?" , you can guess the response. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12676&page=4#post-150907 Tue, 29 Apr 2014 10:52:49 +0000 crowriver 150907@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"Let fury have the hour, anger can be power<br /> D'you know that you can use it?"<br /> (The Clash) </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12676&page=4#post-150905 Tue, 29 Apr 2014 10:50:49 +0000 neddie 150905@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I think Big Keith was not booed or heckled simply because everyone was so gobsmacked he <em>actually</em> turned up. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12676&page=4#post-150900 Tue, 29 Apr 2014 10:16:29 +0000 wingpig 150900@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"Fear leads to anger, anger leads to hate, hate to... suffering..." (Yoda) </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12676&page=4#post-150899 Tue, 29 Apr 2014 10:14:43 +0000 I were right about that saddle 150899@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"You must be the change you wish to see in the world." (MKG) </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12676&page=4#post-150897 Tue, 29 Apr 2014 10:09:07 +0000 crowriver 150897@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"Anger is an energy". (PiL) </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12676&page=4#post-150889 Tue, 29 Apr 2014 09:36:23 +0000 I were right about that saddle 150889@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@Instography</p> <p>Indeed. I'm much keener to see flowers strapped to handlebars than cameras strapped to helmets. Most of the headcam footage I see makes me wonder if a few hours of therapy might be helpful. Anger is destructive if it doesn't get transformed into creative drive in short order. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12676&page=4#post-150874 Mon, 28 Apr 2014 23:43:55 +0000 chdot 150874@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><a href="http://cityexile.wordpress.com/2014/04/28/back-to-earth" rel="nofollow">http://cityexile.wordpress.com/2014/04/28/back-to-earth</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12676&page=4#post-150872 Mon, 28 Apr 2014 22:46:02 +0000 Instography 150872@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>He'll give himself an ulcer with all that fury. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12676&page=4#post-150871 Mon, 28 Apr 2014 22:39:10 +0000 chdot 150871@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><a href="http://www.magnatom.net/2014/04/furious-enough-to-pop.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.magnatom.net/2014/04/furious-enough-to-pop.html</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12676&page=4#post-150853 Mon, 28 Apr 2014 21:00:31 +0000 crowriver 150853@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>Sorting out transport and cycling especially isn't something that should be waiting for the referendum outcome. No new powers are needed to sort this.</em></p> <p>We're not talking about 'sorting out' anything other than the date of the next PoP. Folk had raised the spectre of the UK elections, I'm saying maybe wait and see what happens in September before setting a date, that's all. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12676&page=4#post-150844 Mon, 28 Apr 2014 20:14:26 +0000 PS 150844@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Sorting out transport and cycling especially isn't something that should be waiting for the referendum outcome. No new powers are needed to sort this. </p> <p>I know politicians will be "distracted" but it's their job to juggle lots of big issues and look after the public interest. Perhaps even more so if their key selling point is putting Scotland first. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12676&page=4#post-150824 Mon, 28 Apr 2014 18:37:08 +0000 chdot 150824@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"Might also be an idea to wait until after the independence referendum"</p> <p>I was thinking of adding that, but decided that in terms of #PoP2015, a No vote would mean that (in transport/cycle terms) things would be just the way they are now. A Yes vote would mean there would be negotiations going on that would be unlikely to have 'cycling' as a particularly priority. </p> <p>My view remains PoP in 12 months with an agreed date as far in advance as possible. </p>