http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ CityCyclingEdinburgh Forum » Topic: St Johns Road to Drumbrae en Wed, 13 May 2026 02:38:37 +0000 http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12798&page=2#post-199922 Fri, 25 Sep 2015 18:22:10 +0000 HankChief 199922@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Don't get too excited just yet. 6 seconds of green man is quite tight but is followed by 3 secs of blank and 5 secs of red before SJR get a green light.</p> <p>But the bigger issue is that on the first 2 sequences I saw had a car turn left from SJR whilst the green man was on (&amp; only straight on arrow for them).</p> <p>Hopefully it will improve as people get used to the new arrangements. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12798&page=2#post-199920 Fri, 25 Sep 2015 17:05:00 +0000 SRD 199920@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Hard to believe, but this does seem to be true:</p> <p><a href="https://storify.com/SRDorman/clermiston-rd" rel="nofollow">https://storify.com/SRDorman/clermiston-rd</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12798&page=2#post-197704 Wed, 02 Sep 2015 13:06:30 +0000 Stickman 197704@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"@edintravel: Spoke to one of the technicians this morning. Welcome news for many, I should think! ^J" </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12798&page=2#post-197703 Wed, 02 Sep 2015 12:54:14 +0000 Stickman 197703@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"@edintravel: St John's Road / Clermiston Road junction upgrade (inc new crossing on Clermiston Road!) starts Mon 7th Sept for 3 weeks. 1/2 #edintravel"</p> <p>Not sure where they got confirmation that a new crossing will be included. Excellent news if true. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12798&page=2#post-197267 Thu, 27 Aug 2015 23:40:39 +0000 Stickman 197267@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>The new signs say that work will take three weeks - surely that can't just be to patch the glove screw up? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12798&page=2#post-197266 Thu, 27 Aug 2015 23:00:37 +0000 wishicouldgofaster 197266@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>The story was in the Evening News - a workman dropped his glove which stopped the cement setting properly. The glove rose to the surface a week or so later like a scene out a zombie film :) </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12798&page=2#post-197258 Thu, 27 Aug 2015 21:19:26 +0000 Stickman 197258@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Really? I just scanned the notices so assumed it was a continuation of the previous works; didn't realise it was re-doing them. That's ridiculous. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12798&page=2#post-197256 Thu, 27 Aug 2015 21:04:45 +0000 wishicouldgofaster 197256@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I thought it was only required due to the job being previously botched. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12798&page=2#post-197246 Thu, 27 Aug 2015 19:15:22 +0000 Stickman 197246@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Signs up showing that the next phase of resurfacing St John's Road starts in a few weeks. This will cover the section at the foot of Clermiston Road, so an ideal opportunity to install a pedestrian crossing. Does anyone know if this is part of the plan? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12798#post-153560 Wed, 14 May 2014 20:43:53 +0000 chdot 153560@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Useful. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12798#post-153559 Wed, 14 May 2014 20:33:30 +0000 SRD 153559@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Hi all, just tried Storifying this...</p> <p><a href="https://storify.com/SRDorman/clermiston-rd" rel="nofollow">https://storify.com/SRDorman/clermiston-rd</a></p> <p>what do you think? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12798#post-153387 Tue, 13 May 2014 17:26:10 +0000 SRD 153387@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>thanks for the measurements/breakdowns - it's obviously more complicated than I appreciate. still more than '2 lanes' though! </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12798#post-153331 Tue, 13 May 2014 13:13:56 +0000 acsimpson 153331@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>"think your pic shows my point. Room for 4 lanes of traffic there. Hardly narrow."</em></p> <p>I would disagree. The total street width here is wide but you can see the point ahead where the pavement is constricted so the carriageway width can't realistically be increased. The Bus in the picture is just over 2.4m wide. Which makes the road no more than 10m wide. The minimum recommended for a bus lane is 3m which would only leave 4m for the other two lanes. The cars are already struggling to pass the stationary bus and were a wider vehicle such as an HGV to approach there would be no way it could pass the bus on it's own side of the road. 5m is also approximately the width Sustrans think is required for a bus/HGV to be able to pass a cyclist at 30mph.</p> <p>I wonder if it would be feasible to offset the bus stops and have 3 lanes with the third lane being used to accommodate bus stops and parking on one side for a stretch and then the other.</p> <p>There does however seem to be enough road to introduce cycle lanes. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12798#post-153314 Tue, 13 May 2014 12:24:37 +0000 steveo 153314@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Even removing the parking, which is off-peak only, there still isn't enough room for the volume of traffic. Once the buses start playing leap frog things start to fall apart. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12798#post-153306 Tue, 13 May 2014 11:57:18 +0000 SRD 153306@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@acsimpson - think your pic shows my point. Room for 4 lanes of traffic there. Hardly narrow. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12798#post-153305 Tue, 13 May 2014 11:53:32 +0000 Stickman 153305@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@acsimpson:</p> <p>That section is pretty much wide enough for two lanes. It's the parking that causes the problems there. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12798#post-153301 Tue, 13 May 2014 11:49:26 +0000 acsimpson 153301@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@SRD, It's not that narrow all the way along but in certain places such as <a href="https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@55.942744,-3.282049,3a,75y,101.01h,77.27t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1sKH6bDpKaQFS6zFgxlcKupA!2e0">here</a> it is. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12798#post-153299 Tue, 13 May 2014 11:45:13 +0000 steveo 153299@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>It probably needs more imaginative management that CEC are willing to enforce. </p> <p>Bus priority lights at Drum Brae and further down east bound so the traffic can be held up on the wide stretches and allow buses, bikes and taxi's through the narrow bits would be a start. A system to limit the volume of traffic at the pinch points and stop it so its not waiting in the narrow sections and closing rat runs completely with bollards not just speed bumps. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12798#post-153296 Tue, 13 May 2014 11:44:06 +0000 SRD 153296@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"At the moment the road is only one lane either way and short of narrowing the pavements even further that's all they can fit."</p> <p>I don't recall it being that narrow. Presume you are not factoring in parking? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12798#post-153284 Tue, 13 May 2014 11:37:31 +0000 acsimpson 153284@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>There isn't enough road make bus lanes. At the moment the road is only one lane either way and short of narrowing the pavements even further that's all they can fit. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12798#post-153279 Tue, 13 May 2014 11:24:42 +0000 paul.mag 153279@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Could always just make the inside lanes bus,taxi, cycle only for the whole stretch in both directions and then actually police it properly at peak times. Have often wondered why the police don't set up shop at locations like this and Gogar roundabout, they'd either make a fortune in fines or the roads would become the safest ever. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12798#post-153267 Tue, 13 May 2014 11:07:50 +0000 acsimpson 153267@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>The road is pretty much at capacity already. But as Kenny says there isn't an obvious place to divert the traffic too. I wonder if it would be feasible to alter the lights so that more traffic is held at either end and the section through the middle can then be kept free flowing. that way bus/cycle lanes will be more effective as the waiting will be conducted on wider stretches where pollution isn't such an issue. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12798#post-153257 Tue, 13 May 2014 10:47:57 +0000 SRD 153257@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Park and ride. That's exactly what it us for. Take your pick - tram or bus.</p> <p>Good comparator would be headington rd in oxford - hospitals, schools, local shops plus main link to heathrow and London. Good park and ride makes it still function. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12798#post-153256 Tue, 13 May 2014 10:46:08 +0000 kaputnik 153256@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>And push the cars where? </em></p> <p>Preferabbly into a big hole with steep sides! </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12798#post-153254 Tue, 13 May 2014 10:41:46 +0000 Stickman 153254@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I live on St John's Road and accept that it is an arterial road, although there does come a point where it has to acknowledged that it has reached capacity. </p> <p>I'd also like some acknowledgement from the Council that pedestrians and cyclists exist (eg Clermiston Road crossing) and that the part of the road that we are discussing could be made safer and more pleasant. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12798#post-153239 Tue, 13 May 2014 10:17:35 +0000 Kenny 153239@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>I suggest making StJohn's Road 'bus, taxi, cycle only' route</em></p> <p>And push the cars where? The rat runs are already quite heavily laden with people trying to skip that junction (before the roadworks). </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12798#post-153236 Tue, 13 May 2014 10:06:55 +0000 Rabid Hamster 153236@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Corstorphine has more ornamental street clutter and planters than most of the rest of the City put together! That's why they have poor critical infrastructure. Sadly StJohn's Road is an arterial road, but the locals want it as their 'village square' to play boules in and smoke Gauloises. I suggest making StJohn's Road 'bus, taxi, cycle only' route. I await the CC's vote for it, but won't be holding my breath! </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12798#post-153224 Tue, 13 May 2014 09:18:00 +0000 kaputnik 153224@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I grew up in Corstorphine, and the situation Hankchief describes of trying to cross Clermiston Road is the same as it was back in 1989. Clearly Corstorphine hasn't been allowed to "move on" from 80s traffic planning.</p> <p>They did give the community council a pile of money a few years back but they spent it on ornamental pavements, flower planters and cast iron fingerpost signs. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12798#post-153214 Tue, 13 May 2014 06:59:31 +0000 HankChief 153214@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>There is currently a pedestrian crossing about 15m to the East of the main junction going across the A8.</p> <p>The timing for it are linked to the junction lights, so when it is Red for the A8 (at both the junction and the pedestrian crossing), Clermiston Rd has a green, but the traffic heading East can only turn the corner before stopping at the pedestrian crossing.</p> <p>I guess the thinking is that this is more efficient for the god of traffic flow, as when the A8 is stopped both Clermiston Rd &amp; pedestrians get to go.</p> <p>At the moment there is no phase in the sequence when no vehicles have a green light to go up or down Clermiston rd. To cross, you have to either go in the short gaps while one goes red before another goes green, or rely on the fact not too many cars heading East turn up Clermiston. Fairly straightforward up for a healthy adult, but not pleasant or safe if you have limited mobility or juggling toddlers / pushing a pram etc. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12798#post-153210 Tue, 13 May 2014 06:35:01 +0000 SRD 153210@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I don't know the location at all well, but surely if we took pedestrian access/safety seriously, we could find a way to accomplish both? </p>