http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ CityCyclingEdinburgh Forum » Topic: When is 'enough' enough? en Sat, 23 May 2026 01:52:33 +0000 http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12881&page=2#post-333192 Thu, 02 Jul 2020 11:00:03 +0000 fimm 333192@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>James was associated with both triathlon and running clubs; the vigil was certainly posted on the Edinburgh Triathletes Facebook page and I saw at least one person in Pentland Tri kit - I know he had connections with that club too. Scottish Athletics also posted about his death. So I think there would be a lot of people there who would (like me) have known him slightly as someone they met at races or in their club. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12881&page=2#post-333181 Thu, 02 Jul 2020 09:56:31 +0000 LaidBack 333181@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Today was the largest I have ever seen.<br /> @algo got the news out and people from all over city headed up to the crossroads.<br /> Well done to him and his small team.<br /> <a href="https://www.flickr.com/photos/66067108@N08/50067437328/in/album-72157682117275632/" title="Vigil for James Harrison"><img src="https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50067437328_f263504786.jpg" alt="Vigil for James Harrison" /></a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12881&page=2#post-333177 Thu, 02 Jul 2020 09:38:38 +0000 Arellcat 333177@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I started this thread six years ago, and we are still having to hold vigils for people killed while riding their bikes. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12881&page=2#post-299657 Sat, 19 Jan 2019 15:34:17 +0000 I were right about that saddle 299657@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>On the Roy map of 1755 (my favourite) it's marked as 'Caldstane Slapp'. </p> <p>The Slug Road is one of the Mounth Roads, well sketchy on that map. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12881&page=2#post-299655 Sat, 19 Jan 2019 14:24:47 +0000 gembo 299655@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Up thread I notice I am banging on about the Slug Road out of Stonehaven having lots of slugs on it.</p> <p>However, when I was at the Cauldstane Slap at new year. Some signage ir maybe googling suggested slap was the anglicising of Slocht meaning pass in Gaelic? Is it? If so, I assume slug could also come from Slocht as slug road out of Stonehaven is a kind of pass, in that you go up and over and down into next valley etc </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12881&page=2#post-299640 Sat, 19 Jan 2019 09:06:41 +0000 gembo 299640@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Give away was a typo but I am leaving it rather than giveway </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12881&page=2#post-299639 Sat, 19 Jan 2019 09:05:55 +0000 gembo 299639@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Ah yes, arellcat has sent me back here.</p> <p>Speeding up towards roundabouts a d indeed giveaway junctions seems to be the norm. Are these manoeuvres part of driving instruction now or is that just to get you through the test? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12881&page=2#post-155773 Tue, 03 Jun 2014 20:14:15 +0000 gembo 155773@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>That is a very wide cycle path. Ho ho</p> <p>Arellcat has a good bag to pack a bike in. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12881&page=2#post-155768 Tue, 03 Jun 2014 19:45:17 +0000 TwoWheels 155768@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>After due consideration of the full scope of Arellcat's malaise, the perils of urban riding and the phase of the moon, I would like to suggest to the young lady that she pack her panniers, fly to Canada, and spend a week or so on the Route Verte. </p> <p>Though I know next to nothing about this province-wide cycle path, and not even being Canadian, I would be more than happy to serve as a somewhat bumbling guide for her journey. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12881&page=2#post-155319 Fri, 30 May 2014 09:45:34 +0000 I were right about that saddle 155319@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@gembo</p> <p>A flask of oats, a book of verse and thou.... </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12881&page=2#post-155311 Fri, 30 May 2014 09:19:39 +0000 Cyclingmollie 155311@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"Turning and turning in the widening gyre<br /> The falcon cannot hear the falconer;<br /> Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;<br /> Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,<br /> The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere<br /> The ceremony of innocence is drowned;<br /> The best lack all conviction, while the worst<br /> Are full of passionate intensity." WB Yeats</p> <p>Arellcat, you always seem to me on this forum, to be the centre. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12881&page=2#post-155301 Fri, 30 May 2014 07:18:33 +0000 gembo 155301@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@bax nice quote from Derrida</p> <p>I have just finished my flacons d'avoine</p> <p>And am now off to</p> <p>Faire les quatre cents coups</p> <p>At Peter's yard </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12881&page=2#post-155292 Thu, 29 May 2014 23:11:36 +0000 I were right about that saddle 155292@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>'I'm reading poetry now instead of working'</p> <p>Then neither my day nor yours was entirely wasted. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12881&page=2#post-155290 Thu, 29 May 2014 22:55:00 +0000 minus six 155290@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>impossible to countenance a life bereft of cycling daily</p> <p>regardless of the idiot savant dominating the road</p> <p><em>necessity is the drive</em></p> <p>... as jacques derrida said</p> <p><em>tout ça finira très mal, de toute façon</em> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12881#post-155275 Thu, 29 May 2014 20:00:09 +0000 Cyclingmollie 155275@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@iwrats, i'm reading poetry now instead of working. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12881#post-155271 Thu, 29 May 2014 18:32:15 +0000 gembo 155271@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>One thing to remember is that the drivers are probably having a very bad day.</p> <p>I find the cycling home less hassle.</p> <p>Was let out at hermiston tonight by a guy in an estate car, I waited until he waved me across rather that push off from pavement. All very civil. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12881#post-155269 Thu, 29 May 2014 18:12:58 +0000 Charlethepar 155269@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>You could try stopping being so polite.</p> <p>I find a good sweary rant at idiot drivers can be really cathartic. On the other hand, I am despite all my efforts still built a bit like Big Daddy"s kid brother, and my approach may not be advisable for everyone. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12881#post-155268 Thu, 29 May 2014 17:23:42 +0000 I were right about that saddle 155268@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@cyclingmollie</p> <p>Good choice. May I suggest a verse to go with it?</p> <p><a href="http://www.poetryfoundation.org/learning/guide/237912#poem" rel="nofollow">http://www.poetryfoundation.org/learning/guide/237912#poem</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12881#post-155267 Thu, 29 May 2014 17:22:05 +0000 stiltskin 155267@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>Non illegitimae carborundum</em> old bean </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12881#post-155264 Thu, 29 May 2014 16:21:02 +0000 Cyclingmollie 155264@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><a href="http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c0/Tiziano%2C_tre_et%C3%A0_dell%27uomo_01.jpg">Another painting</a> to be going on with... </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12881#post-155223 Thu, 29 May 2014 13:06:27 +0000 threefromleith 155223@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I got to feeling a little like this towards the end of last year, so decided to stick to the off-road paths on my daily commutes where possible. This restricts the chances of the motorist maniacs taking me out on a whim, and I feel much happier on the bike now.</p> <p>I guess I'm lucky in that I have an off-road available pretty much all of the way between the Shore and work. Had I not, I think I may have gone back to being a full-time bus users by the time 2013 was out. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12881#post-155191 Thu, 29 May 2014 11:17:05 +0000 I were right about that saddle 155191@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@steveo</p> <p>Genius! Who fancies a CCE ride-out after work tomorrow? It might cause a local collapse of the irony field to form a singularity, but hey-ho. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12881#post-155180 Thu, 29 May 2014 10:58:48 +0000 chdot 155180@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><a href="http://collections.glasgowmuseums.com/viewimage.html?oid=33058&amp;i=540477">Other artforms are available</a>. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12881#post-155173 Thu, 29 May 2014 10:43:13 +0000 steveo 155173@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Thats rubbish Arellcat. There probably is no cure for what your feeling, I'm sure we all have days like this one just hopes it never builds up to the level your experiencing. </p> <p>Perhaps some respite on the big (motor) bike might make you feel a bit better or just going for a long walk away from the roads and traffic and bikes and work. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12881#post-155169 Thu, 29 May 2014 10:36:24 +0000 I were right about that saddle 155169@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Arellcat's trouble sounds existential to me. Letters to the council may not help.</p> <p>May I suggest another poem;</p> <p><a href="http://www.gavinbryars.com/work/composition/summons" rel="nofollow">http://www.gavinbryars.com/work/composition/summons</a></p> <p>and another painting to spend time with?</p> <p><a href="http://www.nationalgalleries.org/collection/artists-a-z/C/3029/artist_name/Ken%20Currie/record_id/2875" rel="nofollow">http://www.nationalgalleries.org/collection/artists-a-z/C/3029/artist_name/Ken%20Currie/record_id/2875</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12881#post-155148 Thu, 29 May 2014 09:37:08 +0000 SRD 155148@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Council just published paper online (from which quotes in other thread). I did not include the ref to the 'family network' being for 'less confident cyclists including women'. Arellcat's contribution shows very clearly that the need for safer roads has nothing to do with gender or 'confidence'. </p> <p>(my letter to council officials here:</p> <p>I am disappointed to see the reference in your transport papers ('Major cycling and walking projects') to the family network being for less confident cyclists 'including women' (2.4). I feel that this is inappropriate and unfortunate. </p> <p>As a confident cyclist myself, I find it verging on the offensive to be grouped in with 'less confident' cyclists simply by virtue of my gender. It also sends a very unfortunate message to men who may consider themselves less confident - for any range of reasons including age, disability, newness to cycling, recent accidents, or simply because they don't like cycling in heavy traffic. And it reinforces a whole range of gender stereotypes that we surely to not wish to be propagating? </p> <p>Really, what this reflects is the problematic nature of the entire 'family network' project - to make some streets safer for some cyclists. Surely our ambition should be to make all streets safer? Even the most confident and skilled cyclist can be at risk if a driver is careless or reckless, or if the road surface is uneven. </p> <p>I hope you will consider revising the paper that has gone to council to correct this, and if not, be more aware of such issues in future. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12881#post-155147 Thu, 29 May 2014 09:29:15 +0000 Kim 155147@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>There is undoubted a culture of of bulling on our roads by a small group of motorists not just of cyclists but pedestrians too. These attitudes are, in part, driven by the motoring lobby which feels that the roads are theirs by right. In so doing they fail to recognise that there is no right to drive, it is an activity that is only permitted under licence and that it comes with responsibilities and a duty of care to others.</p> <p>It is for this reason I helped found <a href="http://pedalonparliament.org">Pedal on Parliament</a> and support groups like <a href="http://www.cycling-accident-compensation.co.uk/strict-liability.aspx">RoadShare</a>. While I fully accept that Strict Liability is NOT a magic bullet which will solve all the problems over night but it is a key part of a package of measures which we need to civilise the roads.</p> <p>All we can do is to keep going and not let the bastards get us down. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12881#post-155140 Thu, 29 May 2014 08:48:35 +0000 Roibeard 155140@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@Arellcat - I hope it's just a season for you.</p> <p>The rain isn't helping... The driver that threatened my daughter with side swiping on Lothian Road, discovered that being boxed in by glaring cyclists isn't pleasant. I didn't even have the words to engage with her, just let her wait.</p> <p>Still, we might have a holiday in Denmark in the summer - care to join us?</p> <p>Robert </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12881#post-155135 Thu, 29 May 2014 07:49:55 +0000 johnnyboy 155135@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>damn, late at night, no glasses on, an easy mistake! </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12881#post-155134 Thu, 29 May 2014 07:47:41 +0000 I were right about that saddle 155134@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@arellcat</p> <p>It sounds to me that you urgently need art, poetry or both. May I suggest, as a starting point that you have a read of <a href="http://www.poetryfoundation.org/poem/174858">this</a> and go to spend a bit of quiet time with <a href="http://www.nationalgalleries.org/media/42/collection/2012AA41776.jpg">this</a>?</p> <p>Works for me, and I'd be delighted if it worked for you. </p>