http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ CityCyclingEdinburgh Forum » Topic: Majors cycling and walking projects en Tue, 19 May 2026 03:27:34 +0000 http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12883&page=2#post-202880 Tue, 27 Oct 2015 22:23:18 +0000 Stickman 202880@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Interview with her discussing the transport &amp; environment budget. Making all the right noises about supporting active travel. Keep it up Lesley!</p> <p><a href="http://www.theedinburghreporter.co.uk/2015/10/budget-2016-speaking-to-the-transport-convener" rel="nofollow">http://www.theedinburghreporter.co.uk/2015/10/budget-2016-speaking-to-the-transport-convener</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12883&page=2#post-202877 Tue, 27 Oct 2015 22:18:47 +0000 Calum 202877@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I watched the bit about the cycle route on the transport and environment committee webcast. Lesley Hinds made a little sarky comment about consulting with the taxi trade: "are you looking forward to that?"</p> <p>I laughed out loud. She's gone up in my estimation ;) </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12883&page=2#post-202807 Tue, 27 Oct 2015 12:29:39 +0000 Stickman 202807@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Transport Commitee today agreed that the Roseburn-Leith plans should now go out for public consultation. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12883&page=2#post-202611 Fri, 23 Oct 2015 15:35:07 +0000 steveo 202611@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Who ever he is, he's a better man than me... </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12883&page=2#post-202609 Fri, 23 Oct 2015 15:25:30 +0000 Morningsider 202609@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>If one of you guys are Lester Bongs then I think you deserve a medal for perseverance in the face of abject stupidity. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12883&page=2#post-202606 Fri, 23 Oct 2015 14:32:33 +0000 PS 202606@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Is it just me, or is <a href="http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/transport/9m-plan-for-new-edinburgh-cycle-route-1-3925589">this</a> the most positively reported cycling story there has been in the EEN? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12883&page=2#post-202499 Thu, 22 Oct 2015 13:19:14 +0000 PS 202499@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I've had a bit more of a detailed look at this.</p> <p>Really like: The liberal use of "Pedestrian/Cyclist Priority Junction 'Copenhagen Style'" along the length of West Coates and Haymarket Terrace, and the mass of segregated cycle tracks.</p> <p>I'm not sure why there's a need for the quiet street links (blue line) marked in St Andrew Sq and West Register St if there is a segregated track from St Andrew Sq down St David St and along Princes St to the east. The cobbles in W Reg St might not be too popular, nor might encouraging cycling on it if it becomes part of a bustling/pedestrian area between the St James development and St A Sq/Princes St.</p> <p>The use of the dotted red line for 1-way segregated cycle track on the map is unfortunate as it isn't as obviously as the other continuous lines on the map and underplays how joined up this route is.</p> <p>Don't like so much: the twisty, turny route to get from Haymarket Terrace to Melville Street. West Maitland Street/Shandwick Place looks like a much more desirable route, bit I guess the tram alignment has ballsed that whole area up. A confident cyclist may well stay on the main road there, maybe turning left at Manor Place if Melville Street becomes at triumph of urban design (it's possible, especially with the central car parking being removed) and getting from Queensferry Road to George Street isn't too tortuous. </p> <p>Are people cycling west along West Maitland Street, or is the "trams and buses only" sign being taken literally?</p> <p>All in all: Good stuff! A strong spine to which a good set of segregated ribs (Dalry Road, Morrison St, Lothian Road, Dundas Street, Broughton Street) could be added in due course. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12883#post-202489 Thu, 22 Oct 2015 12:13:56 +0000 wingpig 202489@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>George Street is a separate project.</p> <p>Also:</p> <p><blockquote><em>"2.4 The ATAP includes a wide range of actions aimed at achieving its targets. A key element is the creation of the ‘Family Network’ of routes suitable for people who are less confident riding a bike. <strong>This is now being marketed as 'Edinburgh's QuietRoutes'</strong>."</em></blockquote></p> <p>At least one of the council officers involved is well aware that Family-Friendly isn't the best terminology but that it was convenient/broadly-understood shorthand for not-being-minced-at-junctions-or-having-to-maintain-20mph-in-heavy-motor-traffic. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12883#post-202483 Thu, 22 Oct 2015 11:34:59 +0000 cb 202483@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Cost estimates in Appendix 6 are quite interesting.</p> <p>"<br /> Stage 1 Roseburn Park to Haymarket Terrace £800,000<br /> Stage 2 Haymarket Terrace to Melville Street £400,000<br /> Stage 3 Melville Street to Charlotte Square £2,200,000<br /> Stage 4 St Andrews Square to Picardy Place &amp; Waterloo<br /> Place £2,000,000<br /> "</p> <p>Not sure what happened to George St. Is that covered elsewhere? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12883#post-202474 Thu, 22 Oct 2015 10:19:07 +0000 wingpig 202474@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><blockquote><em>"Canning Street<br /> • Public realm improvements and provision for Contraflow cycling<br /> along the 1way street<br /> Rutland Square<br /> • Introduction of Contraflow cycle lane between Canning Street and<br /> Lothian Road."</em></blockquote></p> <p>They'll go a little way towards sorting the current round-the-houses-ism, as noted a couple of times when people have sought routes from the Lochrin basin to the centre. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12883#post-202470 Thu, 22 Oct 2015 09:58:38 +0000 acsimpson 202470@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>so it does ... but you have to zoom in a very long way to see it which I hadn't done previously.</p> <p>Melville street on the other hand is clearly 1 way lanes even if you don't zoom in. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12883#post-202468 Thu, 22 Oct 2015 09:45:41 +0000 SRD 202468@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@acsimpson<br /> the map on page 12 shows 1 way segregated lanes on both sides of George st, i think. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12883#post-202465 Thu, 22 Oct 2015 09:30:38 +0000 acsimpson 202465@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Normally when I read the words "family friendly cycle facility" alarm bells ring in my head as it conjures up images of a route designed to keep people safe at the expense of journey times. Thankfully, however, the plans don't seem to match up to these fears.</p> <p>It's a shame the route winds through the West end rather than continuing down Shandwick Place but that is probably a compromise worth making if it gets the route built.</p> <p>I assume George Street is a mistake and they aren't really planning 2 way segregated lanes on both sides of the road. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12883#post-202453 Thu, 22 Oct 2015 08:28:34 +0000 Klaxon 202453@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I'll indulge some pie in the sky speculation:</p> <p>Princes St was narrowed to 1 lane eastbound at the Waverley Bridge junction. If this lane width was used - from S St David St all the way through to Regent Road, then, along with some <a href="http://www.strail.de/index.php?id=197&amp;L=1">VeloStrail</a> gap filling surface for the tram lines you've got a winner. It would mean having to seriously consider entirely removing the right turn into the Waverley Bridge, but this fits in with the MO of Princes St being for through bus traffic and would rather simplify the light sequencing.</p> <p>Since my moans about the Meadows route I've actually come round to thinking these two way bike lanes could be a reasonably clever strategy to win more people round, if they wind up popular then half your job is done in making very wide, uni-directional lanes. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12883#post-202445 Wed, 21 Oct 2015 23:36:15 +0000 kaputnik 202445@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>kaputnik, Google maps measures the pavement to pavement width at 16 metres. This is the same as the Leith Walk ped xing at Tesco Express</em></p> <p>does it not have to pick it's way through the trambles tracks somehow? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12883#post-202444 Wed, 21 Oct 2015 23:25:51 +0000 crowriver 202444@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Looks good! :-)</p> <p>I note the following:</p> <p>"Proposed Consultation<br /> 3.10 It is proposed to now undertake a full public and stakeholder consultation on the proposals outlined in this report. The public consultation process will include a series of drop in sessions at venues along the route, briefings to local Council ward members, access groups, resident associations and Community Councils. A website and online survey will also be provided to facilitate the submission of responses.<br /> 3.11 The Council’s website and media will be used to enhance awareness of the consultation with as wide a range of the public as possible. Bodies representing public transport, taxi and road freight operators will also be invited to take part. This phase of the consultation is expected to be concluded by the end of 2015.<br /> 3.12 It is intended to report to the Committee on the outcome of the consultation in early 2016. If the proposed route that emerges from the consultation is approved, a further statutory consultation process will be required as part of the Traffic Regulation Order (TROs) and Redetermination Order (RSOs) requirements. A copy of the proposed programme can be found in Appendix 5."</p> <p>So, if this is approved by Councillors, look out for the consultation coming soon!</p> <p>In the meantime, if your Councillor sits on the Transport and Environment Committee, why not drop them a line asking them to support this? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12883#post-202434 Wed, 21 Oct 2015 21:40:57 +0000 Stickman 202434@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>The plan stops traffic going up Roseburn Gardens from Roseburn Place, which will solve the rat-run problem. </p> <p>Only complaint from me so far is the glacial timescales to get this done. 2017 for the first stretch from Roseburn to Haymarket. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12883#post-202433 Wed, 21 Oct 2015 21:39:49 +0000 Klaxon 202433@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>kaputnik, Google maps measures the pavement to pavement width at 16 metres. This is the same as the Leith Walk ped xing at Tesco Express</p> <p>Just needs some ambitious reallocation of space from the Waverley Steps Taxi Rank and Balmoral Hotel VIP zone.</p> <p>The continuous route along York Place to the bridges almost looks like it would make up for the gap coming up Leith St (but heavens - why would you <em>not</em> close that final 120 metre gap in the 'box' when the full site is being redeveloped) </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12883#post-202431 Wed, 21 Oct 2015 21:36:29 +0000 neddie 202431@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>At first glance, looks great.</p> <p>They'll need to sort out the rat run that is Roseburn Place though. And the 2-way segregated route is shown on the South side of York Pl - will be "interesting" to see how it crosses the tram tracks... </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12883#post-202418 Wed, 21 Oct 2015 20:50:47 +0000 kaputnik 202418@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I can't get my head around how they'll fit a proper "2 way segregated cycle track" on Princes Street between S. St. David Street and Waterloo Place. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12883#post-202414 Wed, 21 Oct 2015 20:35:18 +0000 wingpig 202414@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@PS The consultations mentioned some sort of Morrison/Dalry/new-Haymarket-office-stuff package but as there's no mention of it above I suspect it's no longer in the scope of this collection. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12883#post-202411 Wed, 21 Oct 2015 20:06:03 +0000 PS 202411@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Cor! This will pretty much be my ride to work if rumours of my office's move to the new Haymarket development are to be believed.</p> <p>Only issue I can see with that plan is I don't know how I would get to the Haymarket office site without being forced into the Haymarket mincer. But I'm sure the developers will be keen to secure safe cycle access for their thousands of white collar workers... </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12883#post-202409 Wed, 21 Oct 2015 19:47:50 +0000 Stickman 202409@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Holy moly: segregated cycle routes on a main road!</p> <p>Transport committee report:</p> <p><a href="http://www.edinburgh.gov.uk/download/meetings/id/48629/item_79_-_roseburn_to_leith_walk_cycle_route_public_consultation" rel="nofollow">http://www.edinburgh.gov.uk/download/meetings/id/48629/item_79_-_roseburn_to_leith_walk_cycle_route_public_consultation</a></p> <p>A lot to take in, but plans for "Copenhagen style" interactions with side roads for the segregated route on West Coates. Let's hope the plans don't get watered down. This is a really important route - need to get it right. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12883#post-202408 Wed, 21 Oct 2015 19:42:15 +0000 kaputnik 202408@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><a href="http://edinburgh.stv.tv/articles/1331138-plans-for-edinburghs-9m-missing-link-cycle-path-revealed/?fromstreampost=250913" rel="nofollow">http://edinburgh.stv.tv/articles/1331138-plans-for-edinburghs-9m-missing-link-cycle-path-revealed/?fromstreampost=250913</a></p> <p><strong>Plans for Edinburgh's £9m ‘missing link’ cycle path revealed</strong> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12883#post-155266 Thu, 29 May 2014 16:45:25 +0000 kaputnik 155266@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>it's inexplicable </em></p> <p>I refer you to the Friends of the Meadows and Bruntsfield Links, to whom even repairing / widening the current paths was a bit like "tarmaccing the countryside"...</p> <p>There's more pressure/campaign forces at work than just Spokes! </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12883#post-155263 Thu, 29 May 2014 16:18:24 +0000 paulmilne 155263@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>There's so much space all through the Meadows, it's inexplicable why the cooncil doesn't create a proper segregated network of paths throughout. Apart from the expense, of course. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12883#post-155260 Thu, 29 May 2014 16:12:04 +0000 kaputnik 155260@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@SRD I more had the "obstructions built in as standard" approach in mind. If the council took the same "we imagine that there may be a conflict here in a small number of cases, caused by a small minority of negligent users" approach when it did works on roads, we might end up in a better place.</p> <p>I'm not disputing that people take MMW too fast, however the tactile paving does nothing to impede speed (indeed, it's not meant to), and the layout of paint and tiles does not really help the visually impaired, so you have to wonder why they are bothering (unless people really are writing to them demanding we cover the city in useless tactile flags, as current practice seems to be).</p> <p>Then there's the mess up at Criagleith junction on the NEPN, £30,000(ish, iirc) spent on nothing short of stupid measures, for all concerned. Broomhouse Path.... Leith Links Path... I could go on. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12883#post-155248 Thu, 29 May 2014 15:11:34 +0000 SRD 155248@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>i don't agree on this. everyday I see cyclists absolutely bombing down MMW oblivious to other users. the other day I was going south then turning right onto NMW when some idiot dinged at me, presumable cause he thought i was going too slow? </p> <p>It also is very unpleasant to walk along jawbone walk and have bikes zooming in and out around you. </p> <p>It's also very annoying to have oblivious - or obnoxious - pedestrians occupying the cycle lanes. </p> <p>none of which should be taken to mean that i think any of their proposals will make much of a difference. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12883#post-155247 Thu, 29 May 2014 15:04:57 +0000 kaputnik 155247@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>Like on the Meadows in order to satisfy the calls to do something about conflict with pedestrians</em></p> <p>The "calls" are the imagined ones that they hear in their heads. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12883#post-155242 Thu, 29 May 2014 14:48:39 +0000 neddie 155242@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>The Council does not currently have the capacity...</em></p> <p>This is because the Council is too busy dicking about trying to make changes to already good cycle routes. Like on the Meadows in order to satisfy the calls to do something about conflict with pedestrians. </p>