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CityCyclingEdinburgh Forum » Topic: "Wheelie bins to be almost halved in size" http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ CityCyclingEdinburgh Forum » Topic: "Wheelie bins to be almost halved in size" en Fri, 22 May 2026 10:16:55 +0000 Min on ""Wheelie bins to be almost halved in size"" http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12934&page=2#post-161865 Tue, 12 Aug 2014 10:42:39 +0000 Min 161865@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Adventure_Game">The Adventure Game</a> It looks as if I am actually thinking of the Drogna game rather than the Vortex. There is a rule determining whether a user is allowed to move from a particular drogna to another drogna. (One common example is: A player may move to any drogna with the same colour or shape as the one on which they started the turn. For example, you may move from a red triangle to any red shape or a triangle of any colour.) A player may only move to an adjacent drogna. However, a player may move across multiple drognas in one turn provided they all meet the given criteria. Hence, the drogna on which the player started the turn is not necessarily the drogna they have immediately left. If a player breaks the movement rule, the crystal retracts such that it cannot be taken. Just substitute the word "crystal" for "wheelie bin" and this is pretty much the new rules. Min on ""Wheelie bins to be almost halved in size"" http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12934&page=2#post-161863 Tue, 12 Aug 2014 10:33:55 +0000 Min 161863@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ Ooh yes, that was it! Thank you. :-) Stickman on ""Wheelie bins to be almost halved in size"" http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12934&page=2#post-161862 Tue, 12 Aug 2014 10:20:25 +0000 Stickman 161862@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ Min - I think it was called The Adventure Game. Min on ""Wheelie bins to be almost halved in size"" http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12934&page=2#post-161860 Tue, 12 Aug 2014 10:03:03 +0000 Min 161860@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ So we are apparently in one of the experimental areas and have just got the new instructions. I was hoping it would simplify things but what we have ended up with is some sort of fiendishly complicated chart that reminds me of a weird game show from years ago that I can't remember the name of. You had to jump across a floor with lots of coloured shapes on it and if you jumped on the wrong shape, something called the Vortex would get you and jettison you into outer space or something. It was all very perilous. If I put the wrong bin out on the wrong coloured shape, I'm doomed. chdot on ""Wheelie bins to be almost halved in size"" http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12934&page=2#post-159185 Thu, 10 Jul 2014 12:06:48 +0000 chdot 159185@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <a href="http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/army-of-staff-to-tackle-litter-problems-in-city-1-3472456" rel="nofollow">http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/army-of-staff-to-tackle-litter-problems-in-city-1-3472456</a> kaputnik on ""Wheelie bins to be almost halved in size"" http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12934&page=2#post-159179 Thu, 10 Jul 2014 11:14:13 +0000 kaputnik 159179@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ The new house has a very swish bin unit hidden in a cupboard with 2 big caddies and 2 small caddies, each of which can be removed on its own. We've had a house meeting and decided general waste and packaging recycling go in the 2 big ones, compost and paper in the 2 small ones. If we could recycle more than just plastic milk jugs and bottles, we'd easily get away with a small caddy for the general "landfill" waste. acsimpson on ""Wheelie bins to be almost halved in size"" http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12934&page=2#post-159178 Thu, 10 Jul 2014 10:56:17 +0000 acsimpson 159178@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ Not to mention finding a way to stopping people putting rubbish into other's bins and not penalising people for picking up litter. For instance there is a lady in our street who regularly walks around the neighbourhood picking up rubbish which people have left behind. Why should she then also have to pay for the collection of it? LivM on ""Wheelie bins to be almost halved in size"" http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12934&page=2#post-159147 Wed, 09 Jul 2014 18:38:49 +0000 LivM 159147@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ The challenge there would be communal bin charging. neddie on ""Wheelie bins to be almost halved in size"" http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12934&page=2#post-159123 Wed, 09 Jul 2014 12:48:46 +0000 neddie 159123@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ In every other civilised country in Europe they charge per kg of non-recycled waste. They simply automatically weigh the bin as it is loaded on the lorry. If you 'can't be bothered' to recycle (like Unintelligent Chauvinist) then you have to pay for it. Simples. chdot on ""Wheelie bins to be almost halved in size"" http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12934&page=2#post-159108 Wed, 09 Jul 2014 10:28:22 +0000 chdot 159108@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ " ENVIRONMENTAL chiefs have admitted the Capital is playing catch-up on recycling as they revealed the latest areas in line for “slimmed-down” wheelie bins in a bid to drive down landfill rates. City households are currently recycling just over 40 per cent of all waste – nearly 10 per cent behind a national target which should have been hit this year. " <a href="http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/politics/slimmer-recycling-bins-rolled-out-1-3469653" rel="nofollow">http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/politics/slimmer-recycling-bins-rolled-out-1-3469653</a> wingpig on ""Wheelie bins to be almost halved in size"" http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12934&page=2#post-158231 Fri, 27 Jun 2014 20:56:48 +0000 wingpig 158231@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ Yay. Should cover us. Wonder if my neighbours will pretend their dog and rabbit are babies to keep their big bin, which is never not overflowing on bin day... chdot on ""Wheelie bins to be almost halved in size"" http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12934&page=2#post-158190 Fri, 27 Jun 2014 12:03:29 +0000 chdot 158190@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ " Homes in the northern, eastern and southern districts of the Capital will receive a 140-litre waste bin and one box – replacing the red and blue recycling containers – in the first phase of 140,000-home roll-out launching on September 1. " <a href="http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/new-smaller-wheelie-bins-to-encourage-recycling-1-3458925" rel="nofollow">http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/new-smaller-wheelie-bins-to-encourage-recycling-1-3458925</a> Roibeard on ""Wheelie bins to be almost halved in size"" http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12934&page=2#post-156214 Fri, 06 Jun 2014 16:57:11 +0000 Roibeard 156214@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <grin> Probably both, although there may only be a solution for the ultimate reckoning - I'm not sure if there's a messianic hope for climate change... Robert chdot on ""Wheelie bins to be almost halved in size"" http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12934&page=2#post-156211 Fri, 06 Jun 2014 16:05:59 +0000 chdot 156211@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ "There will be a reckoning - and not just by any future generations. " Not sure if that is a biblical reference or about Climate Change - or a combination... Roibeard on ""Wheelie bins to be almost halved in size"" http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12934&page=2#post-156210 Fri, 06 Jun 2014 16:00:59 +0000 Roibeard 156210@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ "humans are not the despoilers of the earth, rather stewards of it, designed to tend the earth rather than exploit it." Nice theory, not working well in practice. Indeed, original design and current expression of that design have diverged... <scowls> There will be a reckoning - and not just by any future generations. </scowls> Oops, came over all sandwich board there, anyway sorry to have aligned myself with UKIP above! Robert chdot on ""Wheelie bins to be almost halved in size"" http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12934&page=2#post-156206 Fri, 06 Jun 2014 15:46:56 +0000 chdot 156206@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ "humans are not the despoilers of the earth, rather stewards of it, designed to tend the earth rather than exploit it." Nice theory, not working well in practice. "Anyway, in an independent Scotland, we're going to need population growth to balance the books!" That is certainly the case based on current conventions of needing more people to earn more money to pay for more old people... Whether that is done by "breeding" (Ukip) or 'sensible immigration policies' (SNP) is probably not important! Faith and philosophy may or may not conflict on this one. It seems clear that the current and future population of the world cannot realistically aspire to the 'lifestyle' - use of land, food, water, energy, etc. of the 'average' European (not even 'just' in Europe). A new source of non-polluting energy would be nice. I'm not convinced it will be available in 'wind and wave rich Scotland' before the oil under the North Sea runs out. (In any case that's really only dealing with electricity, not transport or all fossil fuel based inputs into agriculture). cb on ""Wheelie bins to be almost halved in size"" http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12934&page=2#post-156205 Fri, 06 Jun 2014 15:46:25 +0000 cb 156205@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ "designed to tend the earth rather than exploit it." No design about it, it is just the position we have found ourselves in. But certainly if no one has any more children then we might as well burn all the coal and not waste a lot of time manufacturing lots of grey wheely bins. There is a theory that life anywhere in the universe will destroy itself after so long when it evolves to a certain level. steveo on ""Wheelie bins to be almost halved in size"" http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12934&page=2#post-156204 Fri, 06 Jun 2014 15:34:49 +0000 steveo 156204@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ Although to be honest, that's probably as much a faith issue as a philosophical position - Probably, being entirely hypocritical and hard nosed; the last thing the planet or more realistically the inhabitants of it need is more humans especially if they have an expectation to live in the way "we've" become accustomed and they have every right too. As a species we are using resources faster than they can be replaced I'm sure you'll agree this is not great stewardship. Maybe we'll get cold fusion in a decade and all will be good. Fusion, replicators and warp drive before I die please.. Roibeard on ""Wheelie bins to be almost halved in size"" http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12934&page=2#post-156201 Fri, 06 Jun 2014 15:15:20 +0000 Roibeard 156201@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ I'll roll out <a href="http://www.gapminder.org/videos/dont-panic-the-facts-about-population/">Hans Rosling</a> for the second time in two days - I would question whether human population maintenance (or even growth) is an evil... Although to be honest, that's probably as much a faith issue as a philosophical position - humans are not the despoilers of the earth, rather stewards of it, designed to tend the earth rather than exploit it. Anyway, in an independent Scotland, we're going to need population growth to balance the books! NB no judgement passed either way on personal choice or personal circumstances - children are not the be all and end all, nor an environmental disaster... Robert kaputnik on ""Wheelie bins to be almost halved in size"" http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12934&page=2#post-156199 Fri, 06 Jun 2014 15:04:03 +0000 kaputnik 156199@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ I want to do with my time. Adding more washing on top and the consequential increase in my electricity bill and general dampness round the house is the decider on disposables not the supposed convenience of the things There was a (Rospa I think?) survey a while back about how drying laundry in your house can be a bad thing due to the dampness it puts into the air especially if your house is smaller, has a pre-existing damp issue, lack of ventilation etc. I've certainly found that even in my basement tenement flat with the window open, in the summer, when it's fairly warm, even light items like t-shirts and underwears can take 1 or 2 days to dry inside when they might take 2 hours on the line. Add on to that baby clothes, bibs, blankets etc. and for many people it might not be a healthy environment surrounded by damp washing. Overhead pulleys can be great, but not everyone has the luxury of either strong overhead rafters or a compliant landlord (or in newer builds, sufficient overhead ceiling clearance). People's choices will be very much dictated by their surroundings. Even finding the space in a small tenement flat for the big blue box for glass bottles and the big red box for card and metal, and the bag for newspapers and the caddy for garden waste can be a real achievement. I can see why many people probably can't be bothered with it all. And heaven knows where I'd fit a tumble dryer in! Glad to be moving to bigger premises, although still might end up struggling to fit in a tumble drier with adequate ventilation. Previously had one of those condensing ones in an old flat that collected water in a wee tray, but wasn't that imrpessed with it. I'm scheming up one of those old fashioned pulley systems to be mounted out of the back bedroom window. steveo on ""Wheelie bins to be almost halved in size"" http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12934&page=2#post-156198 Fri, 06 Jun 2014 14:48:03 +0000 steveo 156198@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ have I said 'everyone must use cloth nappies'? No. By the same token, I've taken it as read you are more organised than I and have never suggested you should be using disposables and a tumble dryer. I do need this device (and a great many others), I don't have the time spend on top of everything else I want to do with my time. Adding more washing on top and the consequential increase in my electricity bill and general dampness round the house is the decider on disposables not the supposed convenience of the things. Any environmental concern either way is completely obliterated by the fact we have children in the first place. A bakfietsen with two kids makes the child free owner of a 4l V8 Rage Rover look positively green. acsimpson on ""Wheelie bins to be almost halved in size"" http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12934&page=2#post-156197 Fri, 06 Jun 2014 14:32:51 +0000 acsimpson 156197@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ That all sounds very sensible. I think the important word is choose. We all make choices which have environmental consequences. I'm not going to pretend I'm perfect, amongst other things I spend a certain amount of time airborne in any given year. I don't have an issue with people who choose to use disposable nappies, or choose to own a tumble drier but what I dislike is seeing the council handing out larger capacity bins to anyone who asks for them (with, I guess, no review for whether they stop being eligible. Their policy on this seems quite similar to their policy on cars... yes we know you could cycle/walk/take the bus to work but as you've chosen not to we'll build a new road/create a new car park/add parking places to out flagship cycleroute. My final question for now is what check the council will have in place before a new bin is issued. Will the refuse department be checking our household records to see exactly who lives there or just taking our word for it? SRD on ""Wheelie bins to be almost halved in size"" http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12934#post-156196 Fri, 06 Jun 2014 14:31:42 +0000 SRD 156196@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ "The suggestion that we don't need labour saving devices because an ancestor didn't need them is daft" perhaps some labour saving devices we sdon't actually need? it's a personal choice. have I said 'everyone must use cloth nappies'? No. The point is that we are talking as if disposable use isn't a choice, but required. and that by definition anyone with small kids will generate more landfill. I used a mixture of both, depending on a wide range of factors. But I have used both and can speak from experience of using both. But the idea that disposables are a huge time-saver strikes me as over-exaggerated. It doesn't take me any longer to chuck a load in the wash, than it would take me to take the rubbish down three flights of stairs and to the nearest bin. steveo on ""Wheelie bins to be almost halved in size"" http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12934#post-156195 Fri, 06 Jun 2014 14:21:08 +0000 steveo 156195@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ I don't see why a reference to mothers and grandmothers is spurious. The suggestion that we don't need labour saving devices because an ancestor didn't need them is daft how far back do we go? My grandmother didn't have a bike let alone a car or a washing machine (laundrette), should I walk every where and drag my washing down Gorgie as she did? Her grandmother probably didn't have an inside toilet, her grandmother would have been a crofter on the west coast. Go not much further back than that and my family weren't even allowed their name let alone a bloody tumble dryer... My grandmother was (relatively) time rich and (very) poor compared to me now. So now I choose to use electricity and enjoy my free time go for a cycle or taking the kids to the zoo or a multitude of other things. SRD on ""Wheelie bins to be almost halved in size"" http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12934#post-156191 Fri, 06 Jun 2014 13:58:19 +0000 SRD 156191@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ if we were down south where we weren't allowed to dry laundry outside, and our 60ies build flat had condensation in the windows, then i couldn't have dried nappies either. Luckily, the two tenements we've lived in both dry clothes brilliantly and quickly on pullies, and the current one has a drying green that we put clothes out on most days. I don't see why a reference to mothers and grandmothers is spurious. my grandmother grew up a peasant in an east european village, and raised her 7 kids in a new England farmhouse. My mother raised her kids in a apartment in LA, a highrise in central toronto, and a rowhouse on what would be called a 'scheme' (i was out of nappies by the time we moved to a bungalow) . And here's me in a tenement with two kids. So what? I know who has the easier ride. steveo on ""Wheelie bins to be almost halved in size"" http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12934#post-156186 Fri, 06 Jun 2014 13:30:25 +0000 steveo 156186@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ as did our mothers and grandmothers before us. Slightly spurious argument, my grandmother did without a spin cycle, any form of non-public transport, a house with more rooms than children and a whole number of other things, including a job outside the house. This is not a lifestyle I'd enjoy. Nostalgia isn't what it used to be I'll tell you that. If your organised enough to manage without; cool, I know I'm not it takes days for jeans to dry in my house and the number of drying* days is really quite small. Also worth remembering all that water goes somewhere and in winter the heating will be working harder. *Days where I'm comfortable that the weather will remain stable enough for me to get washing out and for me to do something and not return to washing wetter than when I went out. calmac on ""Wheelie bins to be almost halved in size"" http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12934#post-156184 Fri, 06 Jun 2014 13:26:26 +0000 calmac 156184@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ "somehow we managed without a tumble dryer - as did our mothers and grandmothers before us." Going far enough back for cloth nappies, not many of our mothers/ grandmothers also had to work when they had a child in nappies. They spent large amounts of time dealing with laundry. You think they wouldn't have given their right arm for a washing machine and tumble drier? There's a smugness prevalent among parents whose circumstances permit them to make choices that are "better" than others. That should be resisted. Snowy on ""Wheelie bins to be almost halved in size"" http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12934#post-156183 Fri, 06 Jun 2014 13:23:45 +0000 Snowy 156183@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ We've got the big black bins in our street. On the respective recycling collection days, almost every door has a box of glass, or bin of garden waste. I'd like to see the 'packaging' recycling bins expand a bit. We find it's about 50% of our waste, but there aren't nearly enough of those street-corner packaging bins - they are very often full. Especially the ones nearest the local shops... cb on ""Wheelie bins to be almost halved in size"" http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12934#post-156182 Fri, 06 Jun 2014 13:22:42 +0000 cb 156182@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ I'm always seeing red boxes on the street containing plastic cartons that I had thought couldn't be recycled (at least in this city). Likewise envelopes in blue boxes. What happens to it all? Does it get manually sorted out of the system? I do think Edinburgh could be much better at providing information on exactly what can and can't be recycled. Hopefully as part of this new bin initiative they are planning on increasing the amount of plastics that can be dealt with. kaputnik on ""Wheelie bins to be almost halved in size"" http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12934#post-156179 Fri, 06 Jun 2014 13:12:25 +0000 kaputnik 156179@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ When I look at the contents of the rubbish I throw out now (possibly 1 x supermarket sized bag a week), it's nearly all plastic food trays or pots that can't be recycled. I do try hard not to accumulate such things, but it's hard when you want some ham and the only way to buy ham is in a plastic tray! Pre-packed pizzas (which I almost never buy) are bad for using polystyrene bases. M&S used to have a big "Plan B" campaign about reducing waste, but they're one of the worst offenders for unneccessary packaging for visual purposes only, particularly on fruit and veg. Which is a shame as they have some of the best tasting fruit on offer.