http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ CityCyclingEdinburgh Forum » Topic: Hope Lane North Bridge (over Harry Lauder) en Tue, 19 May 2026 13:20:00 +0000 http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12969#post-243908 Fri, 03 Mar 2017 10:19:16 +0000 amir 243908@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Good one cyclingmollie</p> <p>I did try the Christian path this morning and it's fine. Although it does leave a few metres of cobbles in Brighton Place. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12969#post-243838 Thu, 02 Mar 2017 11:53:13 +0000 Cyclingmollie 243838@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>amir, I used to go round the golf course on Stanley Street, then left onto Duddington Road then turn right up Meadowfield Drive, cut through onto the Queen's Drive and do a couple of laps of the Seat :) </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12969#post-243835 Thu, 02 Mar 2017 11:31:15 +0000 amir 243835@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>How does this route compare with the Christian Path (for glass, rowdy types etc)? I am trying to get from Musselburgh direction onto Duddingston Road (avoiding the awful cobbles in Porty) so as to rejoin the Innocent at Duddingston Road W. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12969#post-243834 Thu, 02 Mar 2017 11:24:34 +0000 amir 243834@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@Bigjack useful tip - thanks </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12969#post-243812 Thu, 02 Mar 2017 08:16:41 +0000 Bigjack 243812@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I used to cycle that way regularly but have stopped going that way at morning school start time,since the Portobello high opened due to high numbers of pupils effectively blocking the bridge (don't dare ring your bell!) </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12969#post-243756 Wed, 01 Mar 2017 14:07:19 +0000 amir 243756@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"it cuts off 2.5km from my route"</p> <p>:) </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12969#post-243755 Wed, 01 Mar 2017 13:45:46 +0000 dessert rat 243755@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@ Amir - yes I have also only just discovered it and used it a couple of times to avoid those roadworks, but it cuts off 2.5km from my route, so I am just putting up with the roadworks for now. </p> <p>Rather than cycle on the pavement I just go against the one-way traffic in that small contraflow - they are invariably stopped anyway. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12969#post-243742 Wed, 01 Mar 2017 11:46:32 +0000 earthowned 243742@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@amir - its certainly a nice quite alternative route to get from the NCN1 to Porty Prom. If I'm not in a rush I normally detour via Christian Crescent to avoid Hope Lane/Stanley St completely. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12969#post-243740 Wed, 01 Mar 2017 10:59:30 +0000 amir 243740@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I've just "discovered" this bridge as an alternative to the roadworks at Milton Road. Nice - but Hope Lane/Stanley Street is a rat-run - despite the surface and speed bumps </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12969#post-158232 Fri, 27 Jun 2014 21:04:27 +0000 wangi 158232@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Looking again none of the step have the number of steps recorded in OSM - this is used by the routing engines. I've added this just now (some accurate, some estimates) so lets see if that makes a difference in the next couple of days. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12969#post-158230 Fri, 27 Jun 2014 20:44:03 +0000 wangi 158230@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Pretty sure the quiet isn't what you were describing! It takes in three sets of steps...</p> <p>(I done so OSM edits around here this afternoon, nothing obviously missing but just marked cycling as expressly permitted on some of the paths) </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12969#post-158223 Fri, 27 Jun 2014 17:42:21 +0000 Cyclingmollie 158223@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>You seem to have succeeded where I failed. The "quietest" route on your linked route is exactly what I was describing. Including the loop through the underpasses. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12969#post-158200 Fri, 27 Jun 2014 14:19:56 +0000 cb 158200@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I don't think there is anything missing in OSM, perhaps just the way the algorithm works.</p> <p>The cutoff point seems to be somewhere on the zigzag north of Sir HL Road.</p> <p>Compare the balanced route and quiet route here:</p> <p><a href="http://edinburgh.cyclestreets.net/journey/41337165/">http://edinburgh.cyclestreets.net/journey/41337165/</a></p> <p>Also the quiet route is a bit step-tastic. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12969#post-158191 Fri, 27 Jun 2014 12:10:47 +0000 Cyclingmollie 158191@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>It suggests <a href="http://edinburgh.cyclestreets.net/journey/41335896/">this</a>. Though it does pick up the <a href="http://edinburgh.cyclestreets.net/journey/41335904/">bridge on Hope Lane</a> for shorter journeys. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12969#post-158187 Fri, 27 Jun 2014 11:35:08 +0000 chdot 158187@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"But Cycle streets doesn't suggest that (and the underpasses) as a quiet route to Gilbertstoun"</p> <p>Can you post the URL for route it does plot - may be something missing in OSM. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12969#post-158186 Fri, 27 Jun 2014 11:31:45 +0000 Cyclingmollie 158186@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>The work TCV has done is a big improvement. But Cycle streets doesn't suggest that (and the underpasses) as a quiet route to Gilbertstoun. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12969#post-157535 Fri, 20 Jun 2014 19:24:03 +0000 drnoble 157535@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>The other site that is quite good for this is <a href="http://cycle.travel/map" rel="nofollow">http://cycle.travel/map</a> it uses OSM data too, but lets you drag routes on the fly if they are not what you want </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12969#post-157529 Fri, 20 Jun 2014 16:53:54 +0000 chdot 157529@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"On OSM is there any way to trace a route and export it?"</p> <p><a href="http://edinburgh.cyclestreets.net" rel="nofollow">http://edinburgh.cyclestreets.net</a></p> <p>iPhone and android apps too. </p> <p>With the iPhone one you can specify points along a route. Don't know if other one had that. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12969#post-157528 Fri, 20 Jun 2014 16:49:14 +0000 Cyclingmollie 157528@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Yes, it needs a third underpass to reach Brunstane Road.</p> <p>On OSM is there any way to trace a route and export it? I wanted to share this route previously and visited OSM (as it's the only map I can find that has these cut-throughs) but it seemed to involve riding the route with GPS beforehand. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12969#post-157526 Fri, 20 Jun 2014 16:34:21 +0000 twq 157526@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><blockquote>Is Milton Road pavement shared use?</blockquote></p> <p>No, the bike path spits you out onto the junction with Brunstane Rd. An under/overpass for Milton Rd would be nice! </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12969#post-157525 Fri, 20 Jun 2014 16:29:13 +0000 tk 157525@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I do hope the council pay TCV for their volunteers to do this work </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12969#post-157522 Fri, 20 Jun 2014 15:36:32 +0000 cb 157522@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"I doubt any map could show it correctly"</p> <p>Easily followable on OSM. I think you meant "turn right", not "turn left" after the underpasses.<br /> And according to OSM it's Brand Drive not Christian Drive.<br /> Is Milton Road pavement shared use? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12969#post-157517 Fri, 20 Jun 2014 14:59:16 +0000 Cyclingmollie 157517@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>There is a quiet, kerb free, almost off-road route to NCN1 from the south end of the bridge. But you need to cut through the houses (left into Christian Grove, right into Christian Drive, left into Brand Gardens and the cut-through is on the right), up the ramp onto the pavement on the north side of Milton Road, along the pavement to the junction, down the ramp to the underpass, through both underpasses, turn left, along the side of what was Big W and you're on the NCN. I doubt any map could show it correctly. And underpasses probably rule it out for many people. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12969#post-157515 Fri, 20 Jun 2014 14:43:09 +0000 chdot 157515@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"A proper link to the Innocent would be a good start."</p> <p>Presume you mean a host of DETAILS - dropped kerbs, better surfaces, different priorities at junctions etc?</p> <p>There <em>is</em> a <u>signed</u> route - but... </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12969#post-157514 Fri, 20 Jun 2014 14:39:43 +0000 twq 157514@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I've gone both ways on the bridge this week. It's a nice bit of infrastructure, but the links at either end leave a lot to be desired. A proper link to the Innocent would be a good start. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12969#post-157505 Fri, 20 Jun 2014 14:03:23 +0000 chdot 157505@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>" it took the full three days to complete the job, we cleared all the railings and cut the vegetation back about a meter from the path"</p> <p>All very commendable, but you really would think it would be CEC's responsibility to make sure that this important transport route was looked after better. </p> <p>P.s. It's time the vegetation on the Innocent from the tunnel to DRW was cut back. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12969#post-157502 Fri, 20 Jun 2014 13:56:36 +0000 wangi 157502@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><a href="http://blogs.tcv.org.uk/tcv-scotland/2014/06/16/portobello-10th-11th-12th-june-2014/" rel="nofollow">http://blogs.tcv.org.uk/tcv-scotland/2014/06/16/portobello-10th-11th-12th-june-2014/</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12969#post-156643 Wed, 11 Jun 2014 15:28:19 +0000 tammytroot 156643@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Ah! I saw that everything had been cut back this morning.<br /> Didn't see the glass though. Fortunately the marathons made it through OK.<br /> Don't worry about the roses they'll be back in no time. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12969#post-156615 Wed, 11 Jun 2014 13:23:17 +0000 tk 156615@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Just a note to take care on the Portobello end. There is broken glass on the ramp and lots of debris / thorns from the work to stop the vegetation attacking cyclists as they round the corner</p> <p>I feel slightly bad requesting this as the roses smelled lovely in flower and they have almost completely obliterated them now but it saves having to get off the bike and duck to get through </p>