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<title>CityCyclingEdinburgh Forum &#187; Topic: New Commute</title>
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<title>kaputnik on "New Commute"</title>
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<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jul 2014 16:44:13 +0000</pubDate>
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<description>&#60;p&#62;@Nelly - if I were heading into town could have been me on the way home diverted via the immense B&#38;amp;Q at Hermiston Gait.
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<title>wingpig on "New Commute"</title>
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<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jul 2014 15:07:59 +0000</pubDate>
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<description>&#60;p&#62;Allanfield might be useful if the lights at McDonald/Brunswick turn red just as you approach them and you were going a bit eastwards anyway. Not so useful in the other direction due to Leith Walk's central kerb.
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<title>Nelly on "New Commute"</title>
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<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jul 2014 14:34:29 +0000</pubDate>
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<description>&#60;p&#62;I was driving today and was 'convinced' I saw you back on the Broomhouse - perhaps not, it was a bit distant and damp.
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<title>kaputnik on "New Commute"</title>
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<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jul 2014 10:32:51 +0000</pubDate>
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<description>&#60;p&#62;I'm finding Brunswick Road pretty quiet. I've just discovered West Montgomery Street, which has A/ no cobbles and B/ closed at the end by bollards so is the perfect cycle-friendly way to cut between Hillside and Brunswick Road.&#60;/p&#62;
&#60;p&#62;Today it was fairly quiet so after coming off the path at Roseburn I stayed on the Corstorphine Road all the way to it turning into St. Johns Road and turned off just before the shop formerly known as Happit.&#60;/p&#62;
&#60;p&#62;It's actually takingh 40 minutes, not 35 (over-optimistic estimate).&#60;/p&#62;
&#60;p&#62;I'll just have to learn to love all the unleashed dogs all over the NEPN at 830AM...
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<title>chdot on "New Commute"</title>
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<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jul 2014 23:10:01 +0000</pubDate>
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<description>&#60;p&#62;Thanks for going!&#60;/p&#62;
&#60;p&#62;Hardly a 'fast commute' road, but perhaps more pleasant than Brunswick Road at rush hour(?)
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<title>wingpig on "New Commute"</title>
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<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jul 2014 23:03:17 +0000</pubDate>
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<description>&#60;p&#62;For anyone else who had never heard of Allanfield, here's what it looks like:&#60;/p&#62;
&#60;p&#62;&#60;a href=&#34;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DC-eQqSs6TA&#34; rel=&#34;nofollow&#34;&#62;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DC-eQqSs6TA&#60;/a&#62;
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<title>kaputnik on "New Commute"</title>
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<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2014 14:15:51 +0000</pubDate>
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<description>&#60;p&#62;Lochend Park very nice of a morning, I think I'll go that way most often and hang the extra distance.&#60;/p&#62;
&#60;p&#62;The new ride is 10.3 miles, the old was about 6-6.5 depending on the route.&#60;/p&#62;
&#60;p&#62;I've gone from taking 25 minutes to taking 35 minutes. That's 40% longer timewise to cover a 70% greater distance. Goes to show just how inneficient my old route was waiting on red at all those stupid crossings on the Broomhouse Path and also the junctions at the Kings, Henderson Terrace, Fords Road...
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<title>smsm1 on "New Commute"</title>
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<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jul 2014 20:33:25 +0000</pubDate>
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<description>&#60;p&#62;It's also worth noting that the routes generated on any version of CycleStreets can be viewed on any other by taking the journey number and entering it into the other app. Ideal for sharing a particular route or getting different features, or accessing it on another device without doing a full replan.
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<title>smsm1 on "New Commute"</title>
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<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jul 2014 12:00:48 +0000</pubDate>
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<description>&#60;p&#62;It's not been added to the main site, as it's older, and it's not been a high enough priority yet to implement. There's been a lot of refactoring done to progress towards making the via points available.
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<title>kaputnik on "New Commute"</title>
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<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jul 2014 11:32:53 +0000</pubDate>
<dc:creator>kaputnik</dc:creator>
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<description>&#60;p&#62;Cambusnethan is my new street - although we face onto Dalziel Place (London Road). It's one way accessed from Londinium Road, so in the morning I end up coming out of it the &#34;wrong way&#34; by launching myself off the pavement in a gap of traffic. It's not ideal, but it's better than going up onto Marionville Road, across the stupid shopping park roundabout and then waiting for ages at the junction to get back onto London Road.
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<title>wingpig on "New Commute"</title>
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<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jul 2014 11:03:52 +0000</pubDate>
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<description>&#60;p&#62;&#60;blockquote&#62;&#60;em&#62;&#34;(or the other one a bit further west)&#34;&#60;/em&#62;&#60;/blockquote&#62;&#60;/p&#62;
&#60;p&#62;Cambusnethan Street, apparently. Google Maps on the phone doesn't zoom in far enough to show it.&#60;/p&#62;
&#60;p&#62;I've always assumed both it and Wishaw Terrace are both the same sort of one-way to prevent people steaming through them from Marionville Drive to avoid the (London Road traffic-favouring) lights, but it also means people approaching them have to do so from the more aggressive four lanes of London Road. Maybe it's to prevent people wanting to do something risky like emerge from them into London Road, which would probably require more light-control.
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<title>ARobComp on "New Commute"</title>
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<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2014 21:43:13 +0000</pubDate>
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<description>&#60;p&#62;MY new commute is from murrayfield to Rutland Square. Not the nicest... However it's so short that I can nip home and grab a non-commuter and head out to the hills!
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<title>cb on "New Commute"</title>
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<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2014 20:34:54 +0000</pubDate>
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<description>&#60;p&#62;Thanks @smsm1.  Wonder why the functionality is not there on the main site?&#60;/p&#62;
&#60;p&#62;@wingpig, I can see waypoints on that route you linked to.
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<title>smsm1 on "New Commute"</title>
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<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2014 18:53:41 +0000</pubDate>
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<description>&#60;p&#62;You can add way points on CycleStreets by going to &#60;a href=&#34;http://m.cyclestreets.net&#34; rel=&#34;nofollow&#34;&#62;http://m.cyclestreets.net&#60;/a&#62; on your desktop.&#60;/p&#62;
&#60;p&#62;An alternative is &#60;a href=&#34;http://cycle.travel/map&#34; rel=&#34;nofollow&#34;&#62;http://cycle.travel/map&#60;/a&#62; which has draggable routes. The site also has bike news, and you can contribute info about your local area on routes etc that work well, or local info for new bicycle users.
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<title>wingpig on "New Commute"</title>
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<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2014 17:23:02 +0000</pubDate>
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<description>&#60;p&#62;Android does waypoints, though the result doesn't indicate where they were:&#60;br /&#62;
&#60;a href=&#34;http://cycle.st/j41394957&#34; rel=&#34;nofollow&#34;&#62;http://cycle.st/j41394957&#60;/a&#62;
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<title>kaputnik on "New Commute"</title>
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<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2014 17:22:26 +0000</pubDate>
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<description>&#60;p&#62;&#60;em&#62;I don't mind Haymarket to Princes Street.&#60;/em&#62;&#60;/p&#62;
&#60;p&#62;I find it a sea awash with buccaneering taxis. There's very little in the way of ASLs any more (if any?), there's trams to the right of you, buses to the left, and confusing signs which leave off cycles as being allowed in one section yet if you pass them anyway you find you are allowed. It's also full of diesel fumes on a hot day. 'orrid.
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<title>chdot on "New Commute"</title>
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<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2014 17:04:37 +0000</pubDate>
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<description>&#60;p&#62;&#34;are you doing those using the mobile app?&#34;&#60;/p&#62;
&#60;p&#62;Yep the iOS one. &#60;/p&#62;
&#60;p&#62;Don't know if it's part of the Android one
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<title>Instography on "New Commute"</title>
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<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2014 16:47:31 +0000</pubDate>
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<description>&#60;p&#62;I don't mind Haymarket to Princes Street. The only bit that bothers me is the potential to get swept down Coates Crescent by a car that thinks I shouldn't go straight on because they can't. Not many cars go that way but I avoid the problem by sitting way out at the right edge of the lane (or going in the right lane if there's no buses).
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<title>cb on "New Commute"</title>
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<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2014 16:32:20 +0000</pubDate>
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<description>&#60;p&#62;@chdot, can I check - these routes with waypoints, are you doing those using the mobile app?  I can't find a way to add waypoints via the main site.
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<title>steveo on "New Commute"</title>
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<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2014 14:57:15 +0000</pubDate>
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<description>&#60;p&#62;&#60;em&#62; Forgot just how stressful the bit from Haymarket to end of Princes Street is &#60;/em&#62;&#60;/p&#62;
&#60;p&#62;Yeah, had to try that one sunny evening circa 1700 it was mental. I ended up walking for a bit.
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<title>chdot on "New Commute"</title>
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<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2014 14:47:11 +0000</pubDate>
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<description>&#60;p&#62;&#34;Will try Lochend Park route tomorrow.&#34;&#60;/p&#62;
&#60;p&#62;Leave early so you can stand and stare. &#60;/p&#62;
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<title>kaputnik on "New Commute"</title>
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<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2014 14:28:00 +0000</pubDate>
<dc:creator>kaputnik</dc:creator>
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<description>&#60;p&#62;I came home the &#34;direct&#34; route of Broomhouse Path &#38;gt; Balgreen Path &#38;gt; Roseburn &#38;gt; Haymarket &#38;gt; Princes Street &#38;gt; Leith Street &#38;gt; London Road.&#60;/p&#62;
&#60;p&#62;Never again! Forgot just how stressful the bit from Haymarket to end of Princes Street is made by the conspiring forces of buses, taxis, trams and tram tracks. I think I'm happy to take the more relaxed loop around the NEPN, just need to work on joining that to Meadowbank. Will try Lochend Park route tomorrow.
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<title>Arellcat on "New Commute"</title>
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<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jun 2014 16:02:54 +0000</pubDate>
<dc:creator>Arellcat</dc:creator>
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<description>&#60;p&#62;I would probably keep the London Road &#38;gt; Hillside Cr &#38;gt; Hillside St &#38;gt; Brunswick Rd &#38;gt; McDonald Rd to NEPN for high days and holidays, and use another route day to day.  I might use:&#60;/p&#62;
&#60;p&#62;London Rd &#38;gt; Gayfield Sq &#38;gt; E London St &#38;gt; Bellvue/Rodney St &#38;gt; Eyre Pl &#38;gt; Henderson Row &#38;gt; Hamilton Pl &#38;gt; Raeburn Pl &#38;gt; Comely Bank Rd &#38;gt; Craigleith Rd, and join the NEPN there as far as West Coates.  Then bomb along the Corstorphine Road as far as Kirk Loan, and cut through to the Gyle from there.&#60;/p&#62;
&#60;p&#62;Or use the south route up through Abbeyhil, Cowgate, Grassmarket, Fountainbridge, Gorgie Road to Stenhouse, and then parallel the Broomhouse path, which I never use going west, and only use going east if I'm taking the Balgreen branch.
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<title>kaputnik on "New Commute"</title>
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<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jun 2014 15:53:03 +0000</pubDate>
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<description>&#60;p&#62;&#60;em&#62;Is the NEPN not a bit of a long way for a shortcut? It's not just the large diversion north there is the doubling back to Roseburn.&#60;/em&#62;&#60;/p&#62;
&#60;p&#62;In distance, yes, in time - no. Once you're on it, apart from slowing for the odd dogwalker, pedestrian, oncoming cyclist, there's no stops. My old commute had 3 or 4 signalled junctions with considerable and frsutrating waiting phases of ~1minute (or more). And I'm not sad to see the back of the Broomhouse Path!
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<title>chdot on "New Commute"</title>
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<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jun 2014 15:05:20 +0000</pubDate>
<dc:creator>chdot</dc:creator>
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<description>&#60;p&#62;Final alternative to 'why not just use the road -&#60;/p&#62;
&#60;p&#62;&#60;a href=&#34;http://www.cyclestreets.net/journey/41380556&#34; rel=&#34;nofollow&#34;&#62;http://www.cyclestreets.net/journey/41380556&#60;/a&#62;&#60;/p&#62;
&#60;p&#62;Includes cut-through Gembo mentioned.
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<title>chdot on "New Commute"</title>
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<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jun 2014 14:55:56 +0000</pubDate>
<dc:creator>chdot</dc:creator>
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<description>&#60;p&#62;This might be OK at commute time, but I've never done the Allanfield section -&#60;/p&#62;
&#60;p&#62;&#60;a href=&#34;http://www.cyclestreets.net/journey/41380249&#34; rel=&#34;nofollow&#34;&#62;http://www.cyclestreets.net/journey/41380249&#60;/a&#62;&#60;/p&#62;
&#60;p&#62;Comes out here -&#60;/p&#62;
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<title>chdot on "New Commute"</title>
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<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jun 2014 14:45:36 +0000</pubDate>
<dc:creator>chdot</dc:creator>
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<description>&#60;p&#62;&#34;Not for normal-ish 40cm-wide drops or horns, there isn't, unless another upright has recently been removed or bent.&#34;&#60;/p&#62;
&#60;p&#62;It's a dismounted squeeze - not ideal for first thing in the morning...
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<title>wingpig on "New Commute"</title>
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<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jun 2014 14:42:20 +0000</pubDate>
<dc:creator>wingpig</dc:creator>
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<description>&#60;p&#62;&#60;blockquote&#62;&#60;em&#62;&#34;But there is still the hole in the fence.&#34;&#60;/em&#62;&#60;/blockquote&#62;&#60;/p&#62;
&#60;p&#62;Not for normal-ish 40cm-wide drops or horns, there isn't, unless another upright has recently been removed or bent.&#60;/p&#62;
&#60;p&#62;Cut through Wishaw Terrace (or the other one a bit further west), go through Lochend Park to &#34;Lochend Butterfly Way&#34;, thence to Hawkhill, thence to Albion/Easter/Brunswick/McDonald or RestalrigRailway-Easter-Duke-GreatUnction-WoL-NEPN or GreatUnction-Quilts-WoL-etc or Easter-Tesco-Jane St-West Bowling Green Cobblefest-WoL-etc.?
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<title>cb on "New Commute"</title>
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<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jun 2014 14:38:20 +0000</pubDate>
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<description>&#60;p&#62;Is the NEPN not a bit of a long way for a shortcut?  It's not just the large diversion north there is the doubling back to Roseburn.&#60;/p&#62;
&#60;p&#62;Holyrood Park to the Meadows then back to old territory?
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<title>chdot on "New Commute"</title>
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<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jun 2014 14:15:27 +0000</pubDate>
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<description>&#60;p&#62;Differently scenic -&#60;/p&#62;
&#60;p&#62;&#60;a href=&#34;http://www.cyclestreets.net/journey/41379741&#34; rel=&#34;nofollow&#34;&#62;http://www.cyclestreets.net/journey/41379741&#60;/a&#62;&#60;/p&#62;
&#60;p&#62;(I'm aware both use Lochend path.)
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