http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ CityCyclingEdinburgh Forum » Topic: Newcraighall consultation event Friday 3 September 2010 (Brunstane developments) en Mon, 18 May 2026 19:25:07 +0000 http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=1318&page=3#post-247242 Wed, 19 Apr 2017 14:47:48 +0000 Cyclingmollie 247242@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Oh b*. Well, enjoy the Brunstane/Figgy path while you still can. I hope it doesn't detract too much from the beauty of Newhailes Estate which will be adjacent to this. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=1318&page=3#post-247237 Wed, 19 Apr 2017 13:41:38 +0000 chdot 247237@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><a href="http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/our-region/edinburgh/councillors-back-plans-for-1300-homes-in-brunstane-1-4423202" rel="nofollow">http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/our-region/edinburgh/councillors-back-plans-for-1300-homes-in-brunstane-1-4423202</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=1318&page=3#post-246746 Thu, 13 Apr 2017 08:54:30 +0000 chdot 246746@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><a href="http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/politics/plans-for-new-homes-in-brunstane-recommended-for-approval-1-4418411" rel="nofollow">http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/politics/plans-for-new-homes-in-brunstane-recommended-for-approval-1-4418411</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=1318&page=3#post-229446 Fri, 02 Sep 2016 11:09:03 +0000 chdot 229446@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"there's a handy cycle path going through the area too"</p> <p>Not as handy as if they hadn't demolished the bridge over Newcraighall Road, or filled in under the Brunstane to Newcraighall rail line. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=1318&page=3#post-229441 Fri, 02 Sep 2016 10:42:59 +0000 crowriver 229441@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Well at least there is a train station near the proposed development. Unlike the so-called Garden District...</p> <p>Oh there's a handy cycle path going through the area too. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=1318&page=3#post-229434 Fri, 02 Sep 2016 09:47:03 +0000 chdot 229434@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><a href="https://www.crowdjustice.co.uk/case/save-green-belt-at-brunstane" rel="nofollow">https://www.crowdjustice.co.uk/case/save-green-belt-at-brunstane</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=1318&page=3#post-229340 Thu, 01 Sep 2016 14:27:23 +0000 wangi 229340@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>At least the lawyers get some easy money...</p> <p>Anyway, the planning docs are at <a href="https://citydev-portal.edinburgh.gov.uk/idoxpa-web/applicationDetails.do?activeTab=summary&amp;keyVal=OCGMEREW0GY00" rel="nofollow">https://citydev-portal.edinburgh.gov.uk/idoxpa-web/applicationDetails.do?activeTab=summary&amp;keyVal=OCGMEREW0GY00</a> 16/04122/PPP (in a horrendous split, crap named and jumbled up order); hopefully more usable: <a href="https://www.dropbox.com/sh/pjcr0zheravt0p4/AAA3BrN8IG9qf1dsqhnyU-XOa?dl=0" rel="nofollow">https://www.dropbox.com/sh/pjcr0zheravt0p4/AAA3BrN8IG9qf1dsqhnyU-XOa?dl=0</a></p> <p>If you're in the Porty area the community council would like to hear your views: <a href="http://www.portobellocc.org/pccpn/2016/08/30/planning-application-for-1330-homes-school-local-centre-roads-at-brunstane-have-your-say/" rel="nofollow">http://www.portobellocc.org/pccpn/2016/08/30/planning-application-for-1330-homes-school-local-centre-roads-at-brunstane-have-your-say/</a></p> <p><em>16/04122/PPP | Proposed residential development (including class 8 residential institutions, class 9 houses and sui generis flats) primary school (class 10 non-residential institutions) local centre (including class 1 retail, class 2 financial and professional services, class 3 food and drink, class 10 non residential institutions and class 11 assembly and leisure ), green network, means of access and transport links, infrastructure and associated ancillary works. | Land 445 Metres North Of 103 Newcraighall Road Edinburgh </em> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=1318&page=3#post-229313 Thu, 01 Sep 2016 12:35:44 +0000 chdot 229313@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"</p> <p>Developer EDI – an arms-length council company – wants to construct 1330 houses, a school and leisure facilities over a 48-hectare site known as Brunstane Farmland. </p> <p>But community campaigners are gearing up to launch legal action in a bid to halt the proposals – and are now crowdfunding advice from a top QC. </p> <p>They argue the overarching South-East Scotland Plan (SESplan) “clearly designates” Brunstane Farm as green belt, meaning any development would be “breaking the law”.</p> <p>"</p> <p><a href="http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/our-region/edinburgh/greenbelt-homes-plans-lodged-with-council-1-4218542" rel="nofollow">http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/our-region/edinburgh/greenbelt-homes-plans-lodged-with-council-1-4218542</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=1318&page=3#post-224724 Thu, 07 Jul 2016 08:33:32 +0000 chdot 224724@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"</p> <p>CAMPAIGNERS battling plans for more than 1000 houses on greenbelt land are threatening to take the council to court.</p> <p>The Save Brunstane Greenbelt Campaign (SBGC) said they had taken “initial legal opinion” and had a “very strong case” for challenging development.</p> <p>"</p> <p><a href="http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/our-region/edinburgh/brunstane-campaigners-seek-legal-advice-on-greenbelt-plans-1-4171402" rel="nofollow">http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/our-region/edinburgh/brunstane-campaigners-seek-legal-advice-on-greenbelt-plans-1-4171402</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=1318&page=3#post-216895 Sat, 16 Apr 2016 09:44:59 +0000 chdot 216895@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Not being a driverist I can't understand the business model for this. I presume there will be other things for sale, but will there be sit-in space too?</p> <p>Apart from the *possibility* of improvements to the walk/cycle route through the carpark I have an overwhelming feeling of 'why bother' - the sheds here have had a wide range of businesses over the years, with (it seems) an increasing rate of turnover/failure(?) </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=1318&page=3#post-216892 Sat, 16 Apr 2016 09:03:08 +0000 wingpig 216892@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>More NCN1-proximal consultation:</p> <p><a href="http://www.portobellocc.org/pccpn/2016/04/16/costa-coffee-drive-thru-at-milton-link-proposal-of-application-notice-1601633pan/" rel="nofollow">http://www.portobellocc.org/pccpn/2016/04/16/costa-coffee-drive-thru-at-milton-link-proposal-of-application-notice-1601633pan/</a></p> <p>The site describes the current location of the Range, but the plan drawing includes the underpass from the Innocent and the route across the Range's car park to the bridge to Brunstane station. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=1318&page=3#post-187144 Tue, 28 Apr 2015 11:11:21 +0000 wangi 187144@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>This: <a href="http://www.edinburgh.gov.uk/info/20164/local_development_plan/1050/second_proposed_local_development_plan" rel="nofollow">http://www.edinburgh.gov.uk/info/20164/local_development_plan/1050/second_proposed_local_development_plan</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=1318&page=3#post-187141 Tue, 28 Apr 2015 10:59:24 +0000 Cyclingmollie 187141@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>What is the Second Proposed Local Plan mentioned in the petition? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=1318&page=3#post-187122 Tue, 28 Apr 2015 08:17:56 +0000 chdot 187122@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"</p> <p>Brunstane Green Belt (@Brunstane_GB)<br /> 28/04/2015 08:10<br /> Petition to save SE #Edinburgh #greenbelt now 8 off 700 supporters. #Portobello #Musselburgh folk pls sign/RT <a href="http://bit.ly/SBGB01" rel="nofollow">http://bit.ly/SBGB01</a> #EdEast</p> <p>" </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=1318&page=3#post-182629 Sat, 07 Mar 2015 23:28:02 +0000 chdot 182629@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Link here too -</p> <p><a href="https://www.change.org/p/city-of-edinburgh-council-planning-committee-save-edinburgh-s-greenbelt-at-brunstane-from-development" rel="nofollow">https://www.change.org/p/city-of-edinburgh-council-planning-committee-save-edinburgh-s-greenbelt-at-brunstane-from-development</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=1318&page=3#post-182147 Mon, 02 Mar 2015 10:43:50 +0000 acsimpson 182147@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Interesting to see that in the picture from that link the bridge still exists. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=1318&page=3#post-182067 Sat, 28 Feb 2015 20:30:13 +0000 chdot 182067@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Yep, another green field gone and (for now) the Right of Way through it -</p> <p><img src="https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8647/16648537206_3844e8497d.jpg"></p> <p>This shot shows the stupidity of removing the rail bridge and obliterating the path underneath with a large pile of stones -</p> <p><img src="https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8675/16674484825_c77cffd07f.jpg"></p> <p>CEC tried to stop this happening, but were unwilling to pay the absurd amount NetworkRail wanted for 'remedial' work and ongoing liabilities. </p> <p>Presumable the owners of the new houses would have liked a convenient walking and cycling route to ASDA (and The Innocent into town). No idea if the developers were asked if they might contribute...</p> <p>(<a href="http://www.edigroupscotland.co.uk/projects/8/88/Brunstane_%26_Newcraighall.html">CEC's own EDI were involved in this site</a>.) </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=1318&page=3#post-182056 Sat, 28 Feb 2015 19:05:32 +0000 wingpig 182056@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Poor bridge. Poor northern abutment.<br /> <a href="https://www.flickr.com/photos/wingpig/16673369225/"><img src="https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8571/16673369225_771b087317_n.jpg"></a></p> <p>Also, poor path, which has been mangled at the edge by the pylon where some heavy vehicles have been playing with piles of rubble.</p> <p><a href="https://www.flickr.com/photos/wingpig/16673369225/">IMG_20150228_155507154</a> by <a href="https://www.flickr.com/people/wingpig/">wingpig</a>, on Flickr<br /> <a href="https://www.flickr.com/photos/wingpig/16673369355/"><img src="https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8580/16673369355_2740947ac8_n.jpg"></a><br /> <a href="https://www.flickr.com/photos/wingpig/16673369355/">IMG_20150228_155641998</a> by <a href="https://www.flickr.com/people/wingpig/">wingpig</a>, on Flickr </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=1318&page=3#post-161794 Mon, 11 Aug 2014 17:44:55 +0000 kaputnik 161794@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><a href="http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-business-28741327" rel="nofollow">http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-business-28741327</a></p> <p><strong>Barratt Homes has confirmed it is pressing ahead with plans to build 400 new homes in the east of Scotland.</strong></p> <p><em>The builder said it would construct 139 homes at Duddingston Park South, Duddingston, and 165 at Newcraighall Village.</p> <p>Barratt Homes will also build a total of 102 affordable homes between the two developments.</p> <p>Newcraighall Village and Duddingston Park South are both set to launch later this year. </em> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=1318&page=3#post-159919 Mon, 21 Jul 2014 14:10:57 +0000 amir 159919@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I cycle past there quite a lot at the moment. I can only imagine the disappointment of the neighbours in Newcraigall. </p> <p>Developers are encroaching on green land all around the Lothians now. I was thinking of moving back into Edinburgh but it might actually come out to us now.</p> <p>Opposite to Dobbies, they are building another pub on another field. That makes at least 4 new chain pubs in a small area (the one next to the Premier Inn, the one already next to Dobbies and the one at "Shawfair" near to the Park and Ride. No wonder pubs are closing in Dalkeith. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=1318&page=3#post-159916 Mon, 21 Jul 2014 14:06:37 +0000 chdot 159916@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"see attached"</p> <p>Can you post a link?</p> <p>"Barratt has refused to discuss the alignment of the path with us"</p> <p>What's the problem? <em>Obviously</em> it will be accordance with the detailed planning consent granted by CEC... </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=1318&page=3#post-159909 Mon, 21 Jul 2014 13:37:59 +0000 neddie 159909@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>From Sustrans:</p> <p>"""<br /> <em>...the Newcraighall housing development is moving at a pace, see attached.</p> <p>We are concerned that Barratt have now taken over the site from EDI Group. They do not have a good track record in maintaining rights of way or accesses through their sites. Particularly when they are labelling the development as ‘luxury executive housing’.</p> <p>You will recall that the land deal for the site included NCN1 being routed through the proposed main street on the ‘new’ path, see pic ‘Newcraighall 01’. You can see that this path still exists for the time being.</p> <p>We are asking CEC to insist that NCN1 keeps to the agreed alignment and would be grateful if others could do the same...</em><br /> """</p> <p>Please write to your councillors if this concerns you</p> <p><em>PS. Barratt has refused to discuss the alignment of the path with us [Sustrans], which again fuels our concern at their intentions</em> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=1318&page=3#post-158317 Mon, 30 Jun 2014 13:23:03 +0000 kaputnik 158317@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>The cycle path from Elderslie (actually from Paisley Canal for some of it) to Kilmacolm also carries Scottish Power telecontrol cabling, and a fibre optic trunk route, both of which provided support in cash and/or kind for the cycle route</em></p> <p>I seem to recall a section of the West Highland Way near Drymen is on old railway and carries some of the water main for Glasgow under it from Loch Katrine.</p> <p>The blurb on the tin of Tennents says how it is brewed from the cool, crystal clear waters of Loch Katrine. That's advertisers longhand for "brewed from tapwater".</p> <p><em>Tulyar, do you think it would be possible to run trams to granton and maintain a decent cycle route along the roseburn path as well?</em></p> <p>The pinch points will be I think under bridges, where it's not possible to widen the trackbed without some demolition work. But to my mind, most of them are pretty generously built regards clearance as they span a fairly wide cutting.</p> <p>The trams are "standard gauge" i.e. the rails are spaced the same as on the railway that preceeded them. What I don't know as an enthusiastic layperson is whether or not the loading guage is tighter (i.e. the clearance required around the rails to permit a vehicle to pass unobstructed without hitting anything, in various states of cant). This would mean that the trams could theoretically run closer together and closer to the bridge structures, to leave space for a cycleway alongside. I imagine they'd want to run them straight down the middle of any bridges though, so don't hold your breath.</p> <p>The olde tramsse of yore were double deck and had to pass under some pretty low clearance bridges. They did this by lowering the height of the overhead cable but also splaying them out to the side, so that the conductor pole still contacted the wires at an angle. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=1318&page=3#post-158289 Mon, 30 Jun 2014 09:49:12 +0000 SRD 158289@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Tulyar, do you think it would be possible to run trams to granton and maintain a decent cycle route along the roseburn path as well? </p> <p>I'm skeptical to say the least, but it would be good to know if it is possible. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=1318&page=3#post-158288 Mon, 30 Jun 2014 09:45:15 +0000 Tulyar 158288@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Of course there is a greater value in keeping the continuity of a railway route wayleave. The cycle path from Elderslie (actually from Paisley Canal for some of it) to Kilmacolm also carries Scottish Power telecontrol cabling, and a fibre optic trunk route, both of which provided support in cash and/or kind for the cycle route, and saved the owners of the cable a substantial sum and major delays which would have arisen if they had had to lay their cabling in the A761 200-400 metres at a time with traffic controls. </p> <p>In preserving the old rail lines network Edinburgh has (had - opinions may vary) a great resource which could even permit rail re-use if required, noting that with a robust position it is possible to deliver a restored rail route, and a realigned cycle route, especially if light rail, electric 'trains' are used, with their ability to handle steeper gradients etc.</p> <p>Getting all potential allies on-side can provide a key way to keep the 'transport corridor' intact. In retrospect I think that 'selling the potential of the cycle route plus reopened rail line, on the shortest distance between Edinburgh and Glasgow, as a wayleave also for communications and other utilities, might have delivered a faster and better completion of the relocated cycle route. </p> <p>That and having a more robust clause concerning the delivery of the relocated cycle route comtemporous with the opening of the new railway. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=1318&page=2#post-158260 Sat, 28 Jun 2014 23:37:17 +0000 chdot 158260@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"Path which split off from NCN1 gone."</p> <p>You mean the one from Brunstane to the old footbridge at Newcraighall?</p> <p>That's a Right of Way. </p> <p>"Embankment breached."</p> <p>This was 'planned' many years ago (though only a smaller section) so that the NCN route from QM could go 'directly' rather than along Newcraighall Road, with a new path east to ASDA. Of course <em>that</em> option has gone because Network Rail removed the bridge and created a new embankment there...</p> <p>Didn't realise this development had actually got planning permission. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=1318&page=2#post-158259 Sat, 28 Jun 2014 23:02:02 +0000 wingpig 158259@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Grr. Trees hacked off embankment. Embankment breached.</p> <p><a href="https://flic.kr/p/o89aYP"><img src="https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3925/14520658835_1f17d1b654_n.jpg"></a></p> <p><a href="https://flic.kr/p/o6SDvS"><img src="https://farm3.staticflickr.com/2925/14506313176_655ce88655_n.jpg"></a></p> <p><a href="https://flic.kr/p/nRrsJr"><img src="https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5586/14342968157_95fa0a364d_n.jpg"></a></p> <p><a href="https://flic.kr/p/o6SEBj"><img src="https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3877/14506316856_74f86c8545_n.jpg"></a></p> <p>Path which split off from NCN1 gone.</p> <p><a href="https://flic.kr/p/nRqHTD"><img src="https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5037/14342824039_4cb9d618c6_n.jpg"></a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=1318&page=2#post-148356 Wed, 09 Apr 2014 08:44:36 +0000 amir 148356@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>A sign has now gone up at the Newcraighall North site - it says "Newcraighall Village, Coming Soon". I wonder if the Newcraighall villagers agree with that. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=1318&page=2#post-114143 Wed, 12 Jun 2013 22:23:18 +0000 chdot 114143@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><a href="http://www.scotsman.com/news/transport/network-rail-must-cut-200m-from-scottish-spending-1-2963426" rel="nofollow">http://www.scotsman.com/news/transport/network-rail-must-cut-200m-from-scottish-spending-1-2963426</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=1318&page=2#post-113030 Wed, 05 Jun 2013 08:25:32 +0000 chdot 113030@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"<br /> The Scottish Government’s purpose is “to focus Government and public services on creating a more successful country, with opportunities for all of Scotland to flourish, through increasing sustainable economic growth”. By providing a safe, high performing and affordable railway, at the same time as delivering key enhancement schemes to meet significant growth projections, Network Rail will play a pivotal role in achieving this goal.</p> <p>...</p> <p>We are very aware that our plans include higher costs than were assumed by Government. However, these plans also provide for substantial investment to address the remaining areas of underinvestment from previous decades; to modernise the railway reducing its future running costs; and to provide further capacity to allow for growth. We must avoid simply cutting costs instead of achieving real lasting improvements in efficiency. Trying to reduce costs too fast and without the necessary investment would increase the risk of under performance in delivering the planned outputs.</p> <p>...</p> <p>The climate will continue to change:<br />  we will seek to understand and optimise our resilience to extreme weather events and climate change. We will provide climate change scenarios to help the regulator understand the basis for our resourcing requirements and to protect the value of our assets<br />  in recent years governments have introduced a suite of measures aimed at improving energy efficiency and reducing carbon emissions. There is a greater national recognition that we all have a role to play in delivering positive environmental outcomes. The Climate Change (Scotland) Act 2009 sets targets to reduce Scotland's greenhouse gas emissions by 42 per cent by 2020 and 80 per cent by 2050 (including international aviation and shipping).</p> <p>"</p> <p>Etc. </p> <p><a href="http://www.networkrail.co.uk/WorkArea/DownloadAsset.aspx?id=30064784327" rel="nofollow">http://www.networkrail.co.uk/WorkArea/DownloadAsset.aspx?id=30064784327</a> </p>