http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ CityCyclingEdinburgh Forum » Topic: "Meadows campaigners call for 15-day limit on events" en Fri, 22 May 2026 06:53:16 +0000 http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=13267&page=2#post-182140 Mon, 02 Mar 2015 10:05:59 +0000 chdot 182140@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"</p> <p>FESTIVALS chief Steve Cardownie has demanded a probe after one of the Fringe’s most popular shows was ousted from its prime location. </p> <p>"</p> <p><a href="http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/what-s-on/edinburgh-festival/call-for-probe-into-ladyboys-move-from-meadows-1-3705837" rel="nofollow">http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/what-s-on/edinburgh-festival/call-for-probe-into-ladyboys-move-from-meadows-1-3705837</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=13267&page=2#post-181857 Thu, 26 Feb 2015 10:29:51 +0000 chdot 181857@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"</p> <p>The show was pipped by major Fringe promoters Underbelly for the lucrative site in a new competitive bidding process introduced to generate more revenue to reinvest in city parks. </p> <p>"</p> <p><a href="http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/ladyboys-of-bangkok-to-leave-meadows-1-3702324" rel="nofollow">http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/ladyboys-of-bangkok-to-leave-meadows-1-3702324</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=13267&page=2#post-179706 Tue, 03 Feb 2015 13:32:15 +0000 kaputnik 179706@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Aye, it's more expensive to ruin the grass of the meadows these days. Riff raff need not apply. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=13267&page=2#post-179703 Tue, 03 Feb 2015 13:14:31 +0000 steveo 179703@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>That'll at least settle the question as to whether or not rent increases will be passed onto the punter. The "market" has clearly decided the spot is more valuable than the previous rent. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=13267&page=2#post-179702 Tue, 03 Feb 2015 13:08:10 +0000 chdot 179702@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"</p> <p>ONE of the festival’s biggest annual attractions is preparing to quit the Capital after a host of rival acts made bids to take over its prime location.</p> <p>The Ladyboys of Bangkok have been a Fringe fixture for 16 years, but higher rents being charged for their Meadows spot could price them out.</p> <p>Council officials believe the site could raise three times as much as demanded at the moment and a bidding war has already kicked off.</p> <p>"</p> <p><a href="http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/what-s-on/theatre/ladyboys-of-bangkok-to-quit-edinburgh-fringe-1-3676985" rel="nofollow">http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/what-s-on/theatre/ladyboys-of-bangkok-to-quit-edinburgh-fringe-1-3676985</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=13267&page=2#post-163407 Wed, 27 Aug 2014 12:29:32 +0000 Nelly 163407@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Bet they will be charged more than £600 a day in Glasgow. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=13267&page=2#post-163397 Wed, 27 Aug 2014 11:55:44 +0000 chdot 163397@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><a href="http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/what-s-on/ladyboys-may-go-to-glasgow-over-meadows-price-rise-1-3521830" rel="nofollow">http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/what-s-on/ladyboys-may-go-to-glasgow-over-meadows-price-rise-1-3521830</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=13267&page=2#post-162345 Fri, 15 Aug 2014 17:25:51 +0000 Snowy 162345@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@Bikeability - I think the Meadows tennis courts are free to use from the start of September onwards (so not long now) </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=13267&page=2#post-161923 Tue, 12 Aug 2014 17:12:34 +0000 Edinburgh Cycle Training 161923@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>The basic principle that a commercial operator should pay a commercial rent is a sound one IMHO.</p> <p>Where events are free or heavily subsidised and no profiteering is going on, I have no issue with a nominal or zero rent being charged. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=13267&page=2#post-161914 Tue, 12 Aug 2014 16:15:07 +0000 crowriver 161914@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Or indeed rent it out for Fringe shows during the summer... </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=13267&page=2#post-161913 Tue, 12 Aug 2014 16:13:04 +0000 stiltskin 161913@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Unless we decide we are going to build a school on it of course.... </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=13267&page=2#post-161911 Tue, 12 Aug 2014 16:07:13 +0000 chdot 161911@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"</p> <p>What is the Common Good? </p> <p>This is the question. In some places, the common good is “The air we breath” – “The sky above us” and such like. But in Scotland it is very unique. Because, our Common Good is actually protected by laws and consists of lots of valuable assets, such as land, property, art, jewels and the like—and all the things we get into free—that is part of our common good to. So we (the public) own these valuables in perpetuity so our kids and their kids can get the benefit of them to.</p> <p>"</p> <p><a href="http://www.inthecommongood.org/start/what-is-the-common-good" rel="nofollow">http://www.inthecommongood.org/start/what-is-the-common-good</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=13267&page=2#post-161906 Tue, 12 Aug 2014 14:50:35 +0000 chdot 161906@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>This is what I really want in the Meadows - (remember there used to be a padding pool?</p> <p>Sluice paddles are for kids to turn to make their own waterworld - bit like the one in the Water of Leith Centre only bigger!</p> <p><a href="https://www.flickr.com/photos/chdot/14812986426/"><img src="https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3839/14812986426_89f4b2f005.jpg"></a></p> <p>Victoria Park London, lotsa Lottery money. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=13267&page=2#post-161904 Tue, 12 Aug 2014 14:39:18 +0000 chdot 161904@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><a href="https://www.flickr.com/photos/chdot/14709692717/"><img src="https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3881/14709692717_b8c44ec8bf.jpg"></a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=13267&page=2#post-161899 Tue, 12 Aug 2014 14:11:32 +0000 steveo 161899@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Edinburgh Castle: £16<br /> Stirling Castle: £14<br /> Tower of London: £22</p> <p>Conclusion? Things are priced differently through out the country? Stirling Castle is heavily subsidised? Castles are bloody expensive to visit with kids... </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=13267#post-161898 Tue, 12 Aug 2014 14:00:13 +0000 SRD 161898@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"the extra cost will be passed on to punters."</p> <p>From their website:</p> <p>edinburgh - adult tickets £24-£26<br /> kirkaldy - £25<br /> glasgow £23<br /> stirling £23.50 and £22.50<br /> newcastle - £24-£32<br /> Leeds - £26-£34</p> <p>Several of these are in town squares. maybe festival square is the obvious location they should be going for. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=13267#post-161897 Tue, 12 Aug 2014 13:50:30 +0000 crowriver 161897@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Speaking of Holyrood Park, the flattish grassy area there near Holyrood palace is regularly covered in marquees etc. for various events, some of them commercial, some for charidee, some for "national pride" or sport. Not during the Fringe, not the Ladyboys, not even the Council but rather Historic Scotland. I've no real problem with this except the grass is often left in a right state afterwards.</p> <p>At least Arthur's Seat, the crags etc. are left generally unspoilt. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=13267#post-161896 Tue, 12 Aug 2014 13:48:51 +0000 steveo 161896@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>So no one else here except Crowriver and myself agree with the points made in Gavin Corbett's blog? </em></p> <p>I presume you're referring to this?</p> <p><em>And, finally, how can citizens of Edinburgh be sure that common good is being used to best effect? Are we charging commercial users of land proper commercial rents?</em></p> <p>If so then no not really. Should the council extract more money from the Lady Boys? Maybe. But ultimately who pays this extra? It won't be the promoters, as Dave said the extra cost will be passed on to punters. Some of these punters may never use any other parks or green space in the city so this is the only way they get any value from the not inconsiderable amount of money used to keep the parks in good condition. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=13267#post-161895 Tue, 12 Aug 2014 13:47:02 +0000 chdot 161895@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Meanwhile elsewhere in town -</p> <p>"</p> <p>A SCRAP has broken out between two of the Capital’s flagship hotels over ambitious plans for al fresco dining in the heart of the West End.</p> <p>Bosses at the Rutland Hotel want to create a major new outdoor seating area – but saw original plans for a timber canopy enclosure savaged by the neighbouring Caledonian Hotel.</p> <p>It feared the structure would block access to the landmark Caley building, damage its views of Princes Street and become a magnet for antisocial behaviour.</p> <p>"</p> <p><a href="http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/hotel-chiefs-fury-at-rutland-outdoor-seating-bid-1-3506536" rel="nofollow">http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/hotel-chiefs-fury-at-rutland-outdoor-seating-bid-1-3506536</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=13267#post-161889 Tue, 12 Aug 2014 13:15:42 +0000 Edinburgh Cycle Training 161889@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I'd like to see the tennis courts there free. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=13267#post-161886 Tue, 12 Aug 2014 12:59:14 +0000 SRD 161886@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>So no one else here except Crowriver and myself agree with the points made in Gavin Corbett's blog? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=13267#post-161885 Tue, 12 Aug 2014 12:51:09 +0000 Nelly 161885@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>To come back to a point I made yesterday, If this was just all about 'putting up a tent somewhere' then we could all think of plenty options </p> <p>e.g. The running track behind the WHEC appears to be completely unused whenever I pass on the canal, so why not there?</p> <p>It is pretty obvious that the promoter wants somewhere pretty close to 'Fringe Central' and the council economic development people (if its them) are happy to comply. Clearly the public like it also, otherwise the Ladyboys would close down / move on.</p> <p>While we can all argue about useage of the Meadows, one thing we can agree is that it is used in many diverse ways (people practicing slacklines, walkers, cyclists, cricketers, croquet, playparks, tennis BBQs, Fringe, Meadows Festival, POP to name a few)</p> <p>To put barriers in the way of an event one group doesnt like simply opens the door to other objections. I could take issue witht he Meadows Festival (I dont) but I am not a fan of the shows/funfairs, they seem to attract some questionable people (in my opinion).</p> <p>But thats the point, <em>my opinion</em> is obviously mine and mine only - and many other people may like events I dont attend / approve of. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=13267#post-161877 Tue, 12 Aug 2014 11:56:20 +0000 steveo 161877@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>If this petition was raised by someone other than FOMBL would you all be reacting like this?<br /> </em></p> <p>I would...</p> <p><em>Yes, the meadows are not the only green space in central Edinburgh, but along with those other spaces they are <strong>constitutive of what makes Edinburgh a distinctive and liveable city</strong>. </em></p> <p>As do events in those green spaces even if they're not what some would consider appropriate or too long.</p> <p>Not everyone uses the space in the same way; you or I may enjoy playing in the park with kids or relaxing in the relative peace. Some may like running round these parks whilst others might only use them when they're visiting an event or travelling fairground. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=13267#post-161872 Tue, 12 Aug 2014 11:18:48 +0000 SRD 161872@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Did any of you reply to the council's consultation? </p> <p>I did. And I said that I would be happy to have parks nearer to me and that my family uses more considered as venues for such events IF the proceeds of such events were invested in the parks - better play infra, toilets etc. </p> <p>If this petition was raised by someone other than FOMBL would you all be reacting like this? </p> <p>Yes, the meadows are not the only green space in central Edinburgh, but along with those other spaces they are constitutive of what makes Edinburgh a distinctive and liveable city. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=13267#post-161867 Tue, 12 Aug 2014 10:55:38 +0000 steveo 161867@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Rebase the question, do you think the same vociferous complaints would be raised if it was Saughton park that was to be effectively closed for a commercial event? </p> <p>The meadows are right beside Bruntsfield Links and not that far from Holyrood Park so its not as though they represent the only green space for miles. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=13267#post-161864 Tue, 12 Aug 2014 10:37:03 +0000 SRD 161864@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I'm sure the FOMBLs are influenced by middle class snobbism, but I don't see that it invalidates their objection to how green spaces in the city centre are used. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=13267#post-161861 Tue, 12 Aug 2014 10:05:25 +0000 Dave 161861@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I get nothing from cricket on the meadows except the annoyance that a tiny minority of people have conspired to fence off a bunch of "my" park for their exclusive use ;-)</p> <p>It doesn't get me worked up, but neither does subsidising public entertainment by making the space available for events at less than commercial land rents.</p> <p>To put it another way: why is it OK for the council to spend hard cash funding or subsidising events (I haven't done much of a search, but £1.3m pa on some stuff at xmas came up immediately on Google) whereas doing so "in lieu" with a cheap rent of the Meadows is unacceptable?</p> <p>Are FOMBLE objecting to the *type* of events being held under the guise of their length, one wonders? Not many very middle class events would last longer than a few days... :P </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=13267#post-161853 Tue, 12 Aug 2014 09:33:23 +0000 SRD 161853@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I don't think we should be overly precious about turf, but these green spaces in the middle of the city are really valuable, and the way the city allows them to be used at present doesn't always recognize that. </p> <p>I resent commercial use of public space with little return to the 'owners'. The meadows festival, cricket, football, barbecues I am all in favour of. I just think that the commercial events should subsidize those activities, and others. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=13267#post-161850 Tue, 12 Aug 2014 09:18:48 +0000 chdot 161850@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"a drained swamp, in the centre of a city"</p> <p>"<br /> This was once the site of the wind-swept Borough-Loch, which was part of the historic old Borough Muir and one of the main water supplies for Edinburgh's Old Town. </p> <p>As the years passed, the loch took three names: the Borough Loch; the South Loch to draw the distinction with the North Loch, now occupied by the railway line at the foot of the Castle Rock in Princes Street Gardens; then Stration's Loch after John Stration, who unsuccessfully attempted to drain it and the surrounding marshlands in 1658. </p> <p>In the olden days the loch was inevitably used for washing animals and, when no one was looking, a depository for rubbish of all kinds, in spite of it being a water supply and dumping strictly forbidden. </p> <p>"</p> <p><a href="http://www.fombl.org.uk/hist.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.fombl.org.uk/hist.html</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=13267#post-161848 Tue, 12 Aug 2014 09:12:44 +0000 steveo 161848@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I don't really think it does, not in August.</p> <p>I largely agree with Dave, there are people who behave as though the Meadows are an SSI or a National Park. Its a bit of grassland, a drained swamp, in the centre of a city. </p> <p>Perhaps attractions should be charged more, even just a levy to repair the damage on top of the nominal rent. But this would be passed on to users some of whom other wise get no use from this or any other of Edinburgh's parks. </p>