http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ CityCyclingEdinburgh Forum » Topic: A8/Corstorphine Road / Kaimes Road Toucan Crossing? en Tue, 19 May 2026 07:58:44 +0000 http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=13357&page=2#post-329983 Fri, 15 May 2020 11:05:35 +0000 HankChief 329983@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Whoop whoop. TRO passed.</p> <p><a href="https://twitter.com/LordProvostEdin/status/1261235316121382914?s=19" rel="nofollow">https://twitter.com/LordProvostEdin/status/1261235316121382914?s=19</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=13357&page=2#post-328845 Fri, 01 May 2020 14:51:18 +0000 CycleAlex 328845@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>There seems to be <em>another</em> TRO up to remove parking for this crossing. <a href="https://www.edinburgh.gov.uk/downloads/download/14479/tro1923---corstorphine-road---greenways" rel="nofollow">https://www.edinburgh.gov.uk/downloads/download/14479/tro1923---corstorphine-road---greenways</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=13357&page=2#post-317457 Fri, 08 Nov 2019 16:58:57 +0000 acsimpson 317457@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@mgj, that depends on what you mean by struggle. I have yet to see a single entrant (or anyone else) of the annual hill climb competition manage the steps without dismounting.</p> <p>They wont stop anyone from accessing Kaimes Road but they will certainly force a lot of people to choose an alternative route (ie the carpark). </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=13357&page=2#post-317446 Fri, 08 Nov 2019 15:39:35 +0000 mgj 317446@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Anyone who struggles with the three steps besides the Scout Hall is not realistically going to be cycling up Kaimes Road. Hopefully these changes will be accompanied by some improvements to the road surface though. Its not much fun to cycle on. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=13357&page=2#post-317441 Fri, 08 Nov 2019 14:37:37 +0000 acsimpson 317441@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>TRO 19/23 for the removal of parking is currently live:</p> <p><a href="http://www.edinburgh.gov.uk/downloads/download/3003/corstorphine_road_edinburgh_-_amendments_to_greenways_-_tro1923" rel="nofollow">http://www.edinburgh.gov.uk/downloads/download/3003/corstorphine_road_edinburgh_-_amendments_to_greenways_-_tro1923</a></p> <p>As usually you can't official comment in support but that doesn't mean you can't.</p> <p>Unfortunately the crossing will be a Puffin rather than a toucan and replacing the steps will have to wait for a future project.</p> <p>The earlier consultation response is here:<br /> <a href="https://consultationhub.edinburgh.gov.uk/sfc/corstorphine-road-pedx/results/consultationhubresponse.pdf" rel="nofollow">https://consultationhub.edinburgh.gov.uk/sfc/corstorphine-road-pedx/results/consultationhubresponse.pdf</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=13357&page=2#post-301913 Fri, 22 Feb 2019 12:57:34 +0000 jonty 301913@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I took care to note that the crossing should be toucan and adjacent pavements should be designated shared use. At the very least, you could allowed to be bump up onto the pavement from the west like the Brunstfield Place one.</p> <p><a href="https://goo.gl/maps/mMSnaQFT9Sy" rel="nofollow">https://goo.gl/maps/mMSnaQFT9Sy</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=13357&page=2#post-301905 Fri, 22 Feb 2019 12:14:48 +0000 Rosie 301905@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Done, and posted on Spokes Facebook. I have often been annoyed by those steps. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=13357&page=2#post-301887 Fri, 22 Feb 2019 10:34:24 +0000 neddie 301887@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Done </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=13357&page=2#post-301884 Fri, 22 Feb 2019 10:28:21 +0000 HankChief 301884@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Last day to respond to the consultation on the new crossing.</p> <p> <a href="https://consultationhub.edinburgh.gov.uk/sfc/corstorphine-road-pedx/" rel="nofollow">https://consultationhub.edinburgh.gov.uk/sfc/corstorphine-road-pedx/</a></p> <p>You only need to answer 1 question and can I ask that you mention the 3 steps heading to Traquair Alley as a barrier for active travel.</p> <p>Here's what I said...</p> <p>"<em>The new crossing is most welcome and will improve the safety and accessibility for people crossing the busy Corstorphine Road, however, for the crossing to be most useful, there should also be improvements to the Traquair Alley (just South of the Crossing) which currently requires 3 steps to reach the level of the Corstorphine Road pavement height. These steps are a barrier for those people using prams, wheelchairs or bicycles on what is a very useful and well used route from the residential area North of Corstorphine Road (either from Belgrave or Kaimes Roads) to Carrick Knowe and the Pinkhill (old) Railway line South of Corstorphine Road. </p> <p>There are no North-South Routes across Corstorphine (/St Johns) Road for Active Travellers that don't require a large dog leg and many use busy roads or narrow pavements. The Kaimes Road/Traquair Alley route has the potential to provide a safe and direct option.</p> <p>I frequently see cyclists turning right from the Eastbound A8 into the exit from the Forrestry Commission car park, which highlights the impact of the steps on people's route choices and the danger they put themselves in to avoid the more convoluted route to use the entrance to the Forrestry Commission car park and loop round the building. This danger would be removed if the steps were removed and a direct route down Traquair Alley established.</p> <p>I would them expect cyclists travelling South to use the Eastbound Bus lane but then stop on the Northside pavement and use the crossing to cross. This would require a kerb free route to the Northern waiting area and the crossing to be Toucan.</p> <p>Travelling North would be more difficult and especially for the less confident coming from Quiet Route 9 (Pinkhill Railway) who could use the crossing but would find it hard to access either Belgrave or Kaimes Roads without using the pavement on the Northside. An alternative would be to create a short bi-directional<br /> segregated cycle path on the North side from the new crossing to Belgrave Road using the space in the road currently taken up by the central hatching. It should be noted that Belgrave Road is an important route for cyclists as it leads to a helpful East-West Route just North of St Johns Roads (and importantly avoiding it) using quiet routes and connects through to Corstorphine Bank Drive via Forrester Road.</p> <p>I would like to stress how much of a barrier steps are to those travelling with prams, wheelchairs or bicycles. Not everyone has the ability to cope with steps, especially those in wheelchairs and those with family (child carrying) bikes. I have been in dialogue with CEC for a number of year over the 6 steps at the rear entrance to Craigmount High School from North Gyle Loan. The route using the steps is important both for school visitors but also for those travelling between off road path network of East Craigs and the toucan crossing at the Volvo (previously Jaguar) garage on Glasgow Road.</em>" </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=13357&page=2#post-286683 Tue, 10 Jul 2018 13:58:34 +0000 HankChief 286683@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>And another follow up question by Cllr Gloyer at 28th June's Full Council Meeting</p> <p><em>"</p> <p>It is now eight months since, in response to my question about the pedestrian crossing of the A8 at Kaimes Road, the Convener assured me that a Section 75 contribution towards it had been secured in November 2016, that “preliminary design work for this is currently underway” and that “Consultation on the proposals is planned to take place shortly”.</p> <p><strong>Question (1) </strong>At what stage is the design work for this long-delayed and much-needed pedestrian crossing and related improvements for pedestrian access to it?<br /> <strong>Answer (1)</strong> A consultant has been procured to design and deliver the crossing. Work on producing a preliminary design, suitable for use in consulting with the local community, is nearing completion.</p> <p><strong>Question (2)</strong> What consultation has taken place and with whom?<br /> <strong>Answer (2)</strong> It is intended to consult with the local community and other stakeholders on the preliminary proposals at the end of the summer holiday period to maximise the opportunity for people to be able to contribute to the process.<br /> A detailed consultation plan has not yet been developed, but normal consultees would include: all frontagers directly affected by the proposals, along with residents of nearby streets and a variety of stakeholder organisations, including<br /> local community groups.</p> <p><strong>Question (3)</strong> By what date is it expected that the crossing will be installed?<br /> <strong>Answer (3)</strong> Following the consultation and making any changes to the design that might arise from this, it will be necessary to promote a Traffic Regulation Order (TRO) to remove the existing Greenways parking bays at this location.<br /> The crossing cannot be constructed until the statutory procedures associated with the TRO have been successfully completed. The timescale for this can vary, but normally takes between 9 and 12 months.</p> <p>"</em> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=13357&page=2#post-264664 Fri, 27 Oct 2017 15:56:23 +0000 HankChief 264664@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Thanks to some nagging, Cllr Gloyer raised a question at Full Council Yesterday on this.</p> <p><em><br /> <strong>Question</strong> A signalised pedestrian crossing across the A8 at Kaimes Rd was first assessed as having high priority in October 2009. At what stage is the design of this crossing at present? </p> <p><strong>Answer</strong> The majority of the funding for this crossing was secured through the Planning process, via a Section 75 Agreement with a developer. This funding became available for use by the Council in late November 2016.<br /> It is intended to implement the crossing as part of a wider scheme of improvements to the Council’s QuietRoute 9 and preliminary design work for this is currently underway.<br /> Consultation on the proposals is planned to take place shortly and it is currently expected that these will be implemented during financial year 2018/19.</em></p> <p>Disappointing for further delays but good to hear we will get a consultation and that they are considering improvements to QR9. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=13357&page=2#post-191466 Fri, 19 Jun 2015 18:21:18 +0000 SRD 191466@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>that's appalling. i hope you write to all of your representatives. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=13357&page=2#post-191465 Fri, 19 Jun 2015 17:46:45 +0000 Stickman 191465@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Any word on if the Kaimes Road crossing is still going ahead? </p> <p>My wife was nearly knocked down here by a speeding taxi at this spot this afternoon. She's quite shaken by it. Unfortunately didn't get his number. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=13357&page=2#post-177934 Thu, 15 Jan 2015 13:28:41 +0000 chdot 177934@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"Pedestrian crossings boost for city"</p> <p><a href="http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=14226" rel="nofollow">http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=14226</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=13357&page=2#post-177646 Tue, 13 Jan 2015 14:07:17 +0000 HankChief 177646@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>What happened to this at the Transport Committee?</p> <p>Did the proposed list get approved?</p> <p>Any changes following the deputations? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=13357&page=2#post-177618 Tue, 13 Jan 2015 12:04:09 +0000 kaputnik 177618@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>The London street one is also obscure.</em></p> <p>Indeed. There's already extensive dropped kerb and wide central island here. You'd think Belisha beacons would be a cheaper option, combined with some right-angling of the corners to slow the traffic. If the folks of Marchmont wouldn't stand for a pelican crossing with it's beeping noises, what chance the folks of London Street will?</p> <p>There may be a less obvious answer - for instance there's a crossing on Hillside Crescent which doesn't make sense until you realise it's outside the Institution for the Blind (there's a tactile paving "guideway" from the front door to the crossing). Perhaps something like that on London Street? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=13357&page=2#post-177566 Tue, 13 Jan 2015 01:50:59 +0000 Snowy 177566@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>That's exactly why a crossing is going in here, after someone was killed here about 2-3 years back crossing the road on their way to work. </em></p> <p>Nothing like a prompt response ... </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=13357&page=2#post-177425 Sat, 10 Jan 2015 20:00:48 +0000 chdot 177425@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"Was the traffic study done during the tram diversions I wonder???"</p> <p>That's a good question. </p> <p>Think problem is speed more than volume. </p> <p>Crossing is expensive 'solution'. </p> <p>Would be better to redesign DPl/LSt corner. </p> <p>Better still - stop through traffic from GKSt using north side of DPl.</p> <p>Suspect (at least one) strong local councillor... </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=13357#post-177424 Sat, 10 Jan 2015 19:46:39 +0000 Fountainbridge 177424@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>"what it will take to get a crossing put in"</em></p> <p>Developer contributions that need to be spent in the local area.</p> <p>Agree the Myreside Road one is very obscure. I'm guessing as part of Royal Edinburgh development they had a section 75 agreement where they have to put money in to local traffic improvements. Watsons tried to pay for a signalised crossing to be put in but was rejected, then they tried a mini roundabout, then they gave up and built a bridge (about £600k's worth).</p> <p>The London street one is also obscure. From what I remember very low levels of traffic. If there are issues crossing the road probably better to narrow the road at strategic points. Was the traffic study done during the tram diversions I wonder??? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=13357#post-177336 Fri, 09 Jan 2015 11:04:11 +0000 cb 177336@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"<em>"...wonder how many people walk to nursery?</em>"</p> <p>Maybe it's for people who have to park on the other side of the road as it's so busy."</p> <p>A lot of the road crossers are definitely people who have parked on the other side (possibly/probably) because they are heading south in the morning), but I think there will be quite a lot walking in from Buckstone too. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=13357#post-177332 Fri, 09 Jan 2015 10:47:02 +0000 wingpig 177332@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><blockquote><em>"...wonder how many people walk to nursery?"</em></blockquote></p> <p>Maybe it's for people who have to park on the other side of the road as it's so busy.</p> <p>Are the scores for the crossings being revised in light of the revised 20mph plans or do they not affect it? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=13357#post-177301 Thu, 08 Jan 2015 22:27:19 +0000 kaputnik 177301@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>It does the beg the question as to what it will take to get a crossing put in. A serious RTC? </em></p> <p>See your earlier;</p> <p><em>* South Gyle Crescent, 150m south of junction with Redheughs Avenue</em></p> <p>That's <u>exactly</u> why a crossing is going in here, after someone was killed here about 2-3 years back crossing the road on their way to work. No crossing on it for its entire length. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=13357#post-177297 Thu, 08 Jan 2015 21:46:49 +0000 chdot 177297@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"London Street at Drummond Place"</p> <p>As discussed above, this is just a <em>bad</em> idea - especially when CEC doesn't have nearly enough money budgeted for crossings. </p> <p>From a cycling point of view refuges tend to be an extra hazard. </p> <p>"</p> <p>* Myreside Road at Footbridge</p> <p>"</p> <p>For those who can't be bothered to use the bridge?</p> <p>"</p> <p>* East Fettes Avenue at Broughton High School opposite entrance to Inverleith Park</p> <p>"</p> <p>Mmm, where there is some dodgy cycle provision?</p> <p>"</p> <p>* Cranley Nursery at Buckstone on Braid Road</p> <p>"</p> <p>Wonder if that will be big enough for purpose (wonder how many people <em>walk</em> to nursery?)</p> <p>"</p> <p>* Pilrig Street at Cambridge Avenue</p> <p>"</p> <p>Hope that's a comprehensive enough scheme to improve cycle access through the bollards. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=13357#post-177296 Thu, 08 Jan 2015 21:44:17 +0000 HankChief 177296@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Many other sites were assess but didn't make the grade</p> <p>One particular one that is frustrating me is Maybury Road at Craigs Road, which is included in the ATAP as a route for the Family Cycle Network (although not until 2020).</p> <p><a href="https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@55.9473585,-3.3142511,3a,75y,9.01h,90t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1sHSvEcHW3z8kGKpG8uyZ8Dg!2e0">Streetview</a></p> <p>It's a 40mph dual carriageway with a very narrow divide in the middle. The nearest proper crossing is 0.5miles away at the Casino. People cross there to get back from the bus stop on the West side and to access the open countryside.</p> <p>I hate crossing it on my own, but as you can imagine it especially tricky if you have kids / buggy or with a bike as there is no dropped kerbs and the narrow central refuge is tricky to fit onto and unpleasant/unsafe to wait at.</p> <p>The previous assessment from a few years ago had a low score mainly because not many people use it to cross - not a surprise given the description above. But as they say - you don't assess where to build a bridge by counting the number swimming across.</p> <p>Since then Cala have finished build at the old SASA site on Craigs Road, including several blocks of flats. It has been noticeable that there is many more people crossing there.</p> <p>So I was pleased when CEC reassessed the traffic &amp; pedestrian flow and it scored 1.135 which is normally enough to get a signalised crossing, but because it's a dual carriageway it needs to be above 2. </p> <p>It does the beg the question as to what it will take to get a crossing put in. A serious RTC? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=13357#post-177293 Thu, 08 Jan 2015 21:15:18 +0000 HankChief 177293@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>So Pedestrian Crossings are going back to the Transport Committee next week.</p> <p><a href="http://www.edinburgh.gov.uk/meetings/meeting/3581/transport_and_environment_committee">Full Committee Papers</a></p> <p><a href="http://www.edinburgh.gov.uk/download/meetings/id/45801/item_74_-_updated_pedestrian_crossing_prioritisation">Paper 7.4 Pedestrian Crossing Prioritisation</a></p> <p>The lucky locations to get a crossing are (as before)</p> <p>Signalised Crossings</p> <p>* London Street at Drummond Place<br /> * Corstorphine Road at Kaimes Road<br /> * Dalry Road at Dalry Place</p> <p>Refuge Islands</p> <p>* West Granton Road opposite 26 Granton Mill Crescent<br /> * Myreside Road at Footbridge<br /> * East Fettes Avenue at Broughton High School opposite entrance to Inverleith Park<br /> * Cranley Nursery at Buckstone on Braid Road<br /> * Pilrig Street at Cambridge Avenue<br /> * Colinton Road at Pedestrian Exit from Napier University</p> <p>Newly added to the list</p> <p>* Crewe Road North at junction with Pilton Avenue<br /> * Telford Road at Telford Gardens<br /> * Great Junction Street<br /> * Ferry Road at Silverknowes Neuk<br /> * Ferry Road between Dudley Avenue and Summerside Place<br /> * South Gyle Crescent, 150m south of junction with Redheughs Avenue<br /> * Ocean Drive - Between exit from BHS and Roundabout</p> <p>No news on what form of crossing will be installed at Corstorpine Road / Kaimes Road. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=13357#post-165576 Thu, 18 Sep 2014 19:29:11 +0000 HankChief 165576@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Heard back from CEC that they are considering making the A8/Kaimes Road crossing a Toucan.</p> <p>Let's hope they do. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=13357#post-163741 Sat, 30 Aug 2014 00:25:19 +0000 Murun Buchstansangur 163741@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I'm fairly astonished that another ped crossing is proposed for London Street - there's one at the other end near the roundabout, there'll probably be less than 100m between the two. And neither of them will be on the desire line for peds (Broughton St-&gt;Bellevue &amp; Scotland St-&gt;Dublin St).</p> <p>Buildouts to calm the ratrunners would be a better, more useful AND cheaper solution IMO - they should do the bottom of Dublin St onto Drummond Place while they're at it (now that really is a nightmare to cross - 85th %ile speed of 30+ is something I could believe there). But what do I know... </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=13357#post-163738 Fri, 29 Aug 2014 23:34:51 +0000 Snowy 163738@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>So that's a list of ten modifications.</p> <p>I'm sure these are all deserving cases.</p> <p>But so few?</p> <p>If that's the list for a year, that's 5 weeks to construct each one.</p> <p>Is this a single one man team? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=13357#post-163608 Fri, 29 Aug 2014 08:47:04 +0000 Chug 163608@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Refuge at "Myreside Road at Footbridge". So what's the footbridge for? If it's "private", wouldn't simply opening it to the public be cheaper (and safer) than using cyclists as de-facto traffic calming?</p> <p>Myreside is one of the least favourite parts of my commute. Car speeds regularly up to ca. 40 mph and far too many overtakes around the blind bend at the railway bridge - even when I've taken primary. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=13357#post-163596 Thu, 28 Aug 2014 23:11:44 +0000 HankChief 163596@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>PV2 is simpler than I first thought.</p> <p>Pedestrian volumes (/100) * Vehicular volumes (/1000) * vehicular volumes (/1000) = pv2 </p>