http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ CityCyclingEdinburgh Forum » Topic: Only Capitalism Can Save Us From Congestion en Mon, 01 Jun 2026 03:44:42 +0000 http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=13399#post-164366 Fri, 05 Sep 2014 14:06:48 +0000 steveo 164366@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>But is your value as a citizen not the same whether you can drive? </p> <p>And there is already a means tested access charge for driving, depending on your driving style, type of vehicle, distance and time spent driving, VED isn't cheap if your on the breadline and fuel duty is quite a lot. This just goes a little further and says if you really must use this busy road at this time you'll have to pay for it, the higher charges can subsidise the quiet times and probably pay for universal decent access to public transport whilst removing the other duties. </p> <p>For "Us" it would largely be a good thing, most of us ride when its busy so the ones who do drive could end up paying less. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=13399#post-164364 Fri, 05 Sep 2014 13:58:13 +0000 I were right about that saddle 164364@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@steveo</p> <p>The classic counter example is the NHS. The service is the same (like it or lump it) regardless of your ability to pay. This is because your value as a citizen is held to be independent of your bank balance.</p> <p>It would be a fine thing if access to the law was run on a similar basis. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=13399#post-164363 Fri, 05 Sep 2014 13:54:46 +0000 I were right about that saddle 164363@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@acsimpson</p> <p>Soaring consumption is generally regarded as a Good Thing isn't it? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=13399#post-164362 Fri, 05 Sep 2014 13:54:00 +0000 steveo 164362@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Largely I agree with him. Almost everything else is rationed by how much you can afford why not the time you can spend in your car? Okay roads were paid for by historical tax takes but you'll still be benefiting from the roads, buses, cycles, delveries etc. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=13399#post-164357 Fri, 05 Sep 2014 13:37:01 +0000 acsimpson 164357@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@IWRATS, What about the water and electricity? With 52 new washing machines per person per year consumption is going to soar. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=13399#post-164354 Fri, 05 Sep 2014 13:12:09 +0000 I were right about that saddle 164354@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>In the republic of IWRATistan access to roads is rationed, not charged for. Everyone gets to drive into central Edinburgh once a week to buy their washing machine, regardless of whether or not they have a car.</p> <p>No reason why the common good should be auctioned to the rich, is there?</p> <p>Problem is, the damaging drug alcohol is also rationed. Damn those presbyterian revolutionaries. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=13399#post-164353 Fri, 05 Sep 2014 13:06:19 +0000 wingpig 164353@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>If that's the same one I saw the other day it does go on a fair bit about insisting that not everyone who cycles has to be a woolly muesli-knitting sustainable renewable communist, but presumably the primary targets amongst its readership would read those bits without thinking it was being hyperbolically Telegraphic. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=13399#post-164352 Fri, 05 Sep 2014 13:03:44 +0000 Min 164352@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Wow. :-o </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=13399#post-164350 Fri, 05 Sep 2014 12:46:35 +0000 mgj 164350@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><a href="http://www.telegraph.co.uk/men/thinking-man/11064416/Motorists-have-ruined-England-and-they-need-to-pay-the-price.html">Telegraph article</a>Interesting article in the Telegraph about variable road charging etc. </p> <p>Not sure that the title matches what he actually says, so maybe it is just click-bait </p>