http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ CityCyclingEdinburgh Forum » Topic: New Spokesworker (Russell Road access + Balgreen path) en Sun, 17 May 2026 23:30:17 +0000 http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=1365&page=2#post-14370 Sun, 10 Oct 2010 22:14:16 +0000 chdot 14370@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>How about <a href="http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&amp;source=s_q&amp;hl=en&amp;geocode=&amp;q=Morrison+Circus,+Edinburgh,+United+Kingdom&amp;sll=37.0625,-95.677068&amp;sspn=35.219929,75.058594&amp;ie=UTF8&amp;hq=&amp;hnear=Morrison+Circus,+Edinburgh+EH3,+United+Kingdom&amp;ll=55.945241,-3.215175&amp;spn=0.00304,0.009162&amp;t=h&amp;z=17&amp;iwloc=A">Morrison Zoo</a>?? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=1365#post-14369 Sun, 10 Oct 2010 22:10:50 +0000 kaputnik 14369@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>nothing at all. But...a coal yard?</em></p> <p>Maybe the new development on the NCP car park above Morrison Street could be Morrison Yards? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=1365#post-14368 Sun, 10 Oct 2010 22:06:12 +0000 miggy_magic 14368@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Thank you! </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=1365#post-14367 Sun, 10 Oct 2010 21:43:24 +0000 chdot 14367@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>They are screenshots from an iPhone app -</p> <p>"SatNav for historical maps: A phone app that combines GPS technology with old maps to allow users to walk through time. The Map set is for central Edinburgh and allows the user to see a variety of Historic maps from 1849 to 1960. The application also comes with a set of narrated walking tours from the Edinburgh College of Art and Edinburgh World Heritage."</p> <p><a href="http://itunes.apple.com/gb/app/walking-through-time-edinburgh/id381528712" rel="nofollow">http://itunes.apple.com/gb/app/walking-through-time-edinburgh/id381528712</a></p> <p>UPDATE</p> <p>This app used to have more maps inc. one for London.</p> <p>MORE maps are available for on-line viewing at <a href="http://maps.nls.uk" rel="nofollow">http://maps.nls.uk</a></p> <p>I thought this had a map that could be overlaid on Google, but seems to have gone too(?) </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=1365#post-14366 Sun, 10 Oct 2010 21:17:03 +0000 miggy_magic 14366@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>chdot - what's going on with that map there? Looks like some mashup with an old map overlayed onto the equivalent location in Google Maps satellite view. Intriguing.... errrr.....within the context of maps... </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=1365#post-14362 Sun, 10 Oct 2010 19:07:26 +0000 Arellcat 14362@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>Wots rong with that??</em></p> <p>Well, speaking as a railway enthusiast, nothing at all. But...a coal yard? Interestingly, the Castle Shed, where the CSLA is now, was removed in 1982 and rebuilt in Bo'ness as part of the SRPS. [/thermos] </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=1365#post-14359 Sun, 10 Oct 2010 18:37:06 +0000 chdot 14359@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"Does that mean that cyclists are actually being considered within the definition of 'stakeholders'?"</p> <p><em>Everyone</em> is a "stakeholder" when it comes to the trams - even people on vehicles powered by muscles.</p> <p>"commemorated were nothing more than the old coal yard"</p> <p>Wots rong with that??<br /> <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/chdot/5067966321/"><br /> <img src="http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4088/5067966321_4d9e60fa05.jpg"></a></p> <p><a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/chdot/5068575892/"><br /> <img src="http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4131/5068575892_b4b08d747b.jpg"></a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=1365#post-14355 Sun, 10 Oct 2010 15:04:32 +0000 Arellcat 14355@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>It is not now clear when this will be necessary however we will continue to liaise with stakeholders when further information is available.</em></p> <p><em>I hope you will find it more acceptable now.</em></p> <p>Does that mean that cyclists are actually being considered within the definition of 'stakeholders'?</p> <p>Speaking of DDA, and the hypothetical Recumbent Cyclist Discrimination Act, last time I cycled through from Balbirnie Place towards Haymarket Yards and heading for Haymarket Terrace, I still had to bump down the kerb onto Haymarket Yards; even a piece of 2x4 would help. And the very tight left-hand turn at that point is only necessary because of the HERAS fencing everywhere.</p> <p>Even further off-topic, I find it a little amusing that the Yards commemorated were nothing more than the old coal yards of Haymarket, on which ICAS and HMRC now stand. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=1365#post-14351 Sun, 10 Oct 2010 14:06:13 +0000 chdot 14351@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/chdot/5067693262/in/pool-94513822@N00"></p> <p><img src="http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4085/5067693262_9d4b8d2ec8.jpg"><br /> </a></p> <p>Got this the other day but only went to look today -</p> <p>"I am pleased to say that the Contractor has now given some attention to the temporary access round the back of Jenners Depository and I hope you will find it more acceptable now.  </p> <p>Clearly it will require ongoing maintenance to keep it up to an appropriate standard so if people have further concerns please let us know."</p> <p><a href="http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=1365#post-12798">Original pic above.</a></p> <p>Of course you still have to pass one of these-<br /> <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/chdot/5067896828"><br /> <img src="http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4150/5067896828_0536a772d7.jpg"><br /> </a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=1365#post-13966 Tue, 05 Oct 2010 19:54:50 +0000 chdot 13966@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>News just in -</p> <p>"You will have noticed that the closure to the Roseburn Track at Russell Road has not yet been implemented. It is not now clear when this will be necessary however we will continue to liaise with stakeholders when further information is available." </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=1365#post-13881 Sun, 03 Oct 2010 23:24:38 +0000 chdot 13881@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Seems to be open -</p> <p><a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/chdot/5048783834"><img src="http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4108/5048783834_1c09b611a0.jpg"><br /> </a><br /> Did it ever shut?</p> <p>Not sure it will (again?) any time soon -</p> <p><a href="http://www.heraldscotland.com/business/analysis/blood-on-the-tracks-1.1058859" rel="nofollow">http://www.heraldscotland.com/business/analysis/blood-on-the-tracks-1.1058859</a></p> <p>Today also noticed that although Haymarket Yards is 'shut' (pavement still open) there is a new access via the station car park. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=1365#post-13438 Tue, 21 Sep 2010 15:34:48 +0000 cb 13438@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"clearly not compliant with disabled access requirements."</p> <p>Could that not be solved by making the disabled access the long way round the block? Not ideal for disabled people clearly, but better than forcing everyone round the block surely. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=1365#post-13436 Tue, 21 Sep 2010 15:02:41 +0000 chdot 13436@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Better news on the path at Balgreen <a href="http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=1365#post-12798">above</a>. </p> <p>"</p> <p>...agree that it could be considerably better.  This is being raised with the contractor and I hope we will be able to respond further in due course.</p> <p>" </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=1365#post-13435 Tue, 21 Sep 2010 14:52:32 +0000 chdot 13435@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Apparently it's not actually closed off (yet). </p> <p>I got an official response from tie today -</p> <p>"</p> <p>In response to the question raised:  "why on earth can't they just put in some steps from the path to the road, beside the construction site"<br /> As you surmised in your initial response the limiting factor relating to the provision of such a set of steps is that they would be too steep.  The Council are not able to approve something which is so far removed from their standards and therefore clearly not compliant with disabled access requirements.</p> <p>Additionally it should be noted that the structure being built here is a complex one being built in a difficult site as it is immediately adjacent to the live railway, hence the contractor will require more working space than may initially be obvious and restricting the scope for access off of Russell Road as I expect the writer of the initial query envisaged.</p> <p>"</p> <p>I am aware of the difficulties of working near a "live railway". Clearly public safety is paramount, though I dont think Network Rail, RailTrack, and predecessors are always entirely co-operative...</p> <p>As for ramps/steps etc, not being an engineer I can't comment on "wills" or "ways"... </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=1365#post-13335 Sat, 18 Sep 2010 18:58:32 +0000 chdot 13335@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Just a reminder...</p> <p><a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/chdot/5001910084"><img src="http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4088/5001910084_541b6468a9.jpg"></a></p> <p>But how difficult would this be?</p> <p><a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/chdot/5001916846/"><br /> <img src="http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4092/5001916846_2f71261e09.jpg"></a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=1365#post-12845 Thu, 09 Sep 2010 15:05:48 +0000 Dave 12845@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>The only good thing about the loss of the Roseburn path is that it will be a building site for so long that by the time it's available as a transport corridor again everyone will have forgotten how good it was!</p> <p>I can average 20mph going *uphill* and I'm sure I'm not the only one. Combine that with the speed most people do coming down, with school kids and dog walkers in half the width - it's just not going to work.</p> <p>Still, better that than disturb the poor car drivers by putting the tram on road! </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=1365#post-12841 Thu, 09 Sep 2010 14:47:13 +0000 kaputnik 12841@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>start digging it up to put trams down there in 5 - 10 years time </em></p> <p>They're going to have to bury them somewhere when they <em>finally</em> arrive and it's realised that they won't go round the corners or fit under the wires* or whatever</p> <p>* = wires? what wires? according to most of the artists' impressions they don't need a catenary at all - or wheels as a matter of fact. They float 3 inches above the ground, powered by the hot air generated about them on the EEN message board </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=1365#post-12838 Thu, 09 Sep 2010 14:37:21 +0000 spitfire 12838@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>FFS WTF? I thought they were putting an alternative Russell Road ramp in for the cyclists before they closed the old ramp off. That's my daily homeward journey route dammit.<br /> So if I want to get involved I am supposed to email Alf Orriell in Edinburgh Trams Customer Services?<br /> They have customer services already? But they don't <em>have </em>any <strong>CUSTOMERS!</strong><br /> What good would that do?</p> <p><ul><li><em>"Hi I use this route every day, this here fence is a pain in the @r$£"</em></li><li><em>"And?"</em></li></ul></p> <p>I am not looking forward to the day they close the entire route down and start digging it up to put trams down there in 5 - 10 years time </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=1365#post-12837 Thu, 09 Sep 2010 13:31:07 +0000 Smudge 12837@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I read "we're going to talk to ourselves and some friends who'll tell us what we want to hear so we can then tell you we've asked and there's no problem."</p> <p>"...cyclists thrashing along on their bouncy buckaroo suspension and fat, knobbly tyres..."<br /> That'll be me this morning then as my road bike is in the workshop and I managed to break my hybrids chain late last night :-/<br /> (today wasting a good set of mud tyres commuting on the road :-( ) </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=1365#post-12835 Thu, 09 Sep 2010 13:21:34 +0000 steveo 12835@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I read</p> <p>"We're not actually going to do any thing but talk to other people so it looks like we're not the problem" </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=1365#post-12832 Thu, 09 Sep 2010 13:10:53 +0000 kaputnik 12832@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>He's sent you some words, but I don't actually understand what they mean! </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=1365#post-12830 Thu, 09 Sep 2010 13:05:01 +0000 chdot 12830@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"<br /> Be assured that we will be looking into the aspects of the concerns of cyclists with a view to trying our best to resolve any difficulties.</p> <p>we will be talking to other people internally and in the City Council as an assessment.</p> <p>Cheers</p> <p>Mike</p> <p>Mike Connelly<br /> Head of Public Affairs</p> <p>tie limited</p> <p>" </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=1365#post-12812 Thu, 09 Sep 2010 11:51:59 +0000 chdot 12812@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"the jaunty angle on your photo makes the Jenners repository look like its about to fall down"</p> <p>Was just matching the fence... </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=1365#post-12807 Thu, 09 Sep 2010 11:45:13 +0000 Dave 12807@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Actually you could easily ride a MTB down from the path (and push one up) if somebody first strimmed the bushes - and there wasn't a fence.</p> <p>At Glentress or Innerleithen such a slope would not raise any eyebrows.</p> <p>Anybody for a voluntary workgroup? I don't think it's even illegal to ride on the grass, since it's not parallel with a road (or in Edinburgh, the site of an existing path) it should be covered by the Land Reform Act.</p> <p>(edit - the obvious flaw in this plan is that they will likely commandeer the Russell Rd entrance for site traffic and block it off). </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=1365#post-12805 Thu, 09 Sep 2010 11:41:44 +0000 steveo 12805@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Chdot, the jaunty angle on your photo makes the Jenners repository look like its about to fall down. :D </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=1365#post-12801 Thu, 09 Sep 2010 11:23:02 +0000 kaputnik 12801@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>World class cycling city... </em><br /> Every day as I cruise past cyclists thrashing along on their bouncy buckaroo suspension and fat, knobbly tyres, I wonder why. It's because I forget that as soon as you leave the roads (which I rarely do), it's an urban assault course out there. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=1365#post-12798 Thu, 09 Sep 2010 10:43:16 +0000 chdot 12798@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"Didnae stop them putting in a BMX dirt-jump of an access slope to the Balgreen / Pinkhill / Corstorphine railway path"</p> <p>True!!</p> <p>But it's not as high as the bank at RRd.</p> <p><img src="http://images.everytrail.com/pics/fullsize/1760874-photo27.jpg"></p> <p>More <a href="http://www.everytrail.com/trip_pictures.php?trip_id=787604">here</a> (pix 22-27)</p> <p>This is Edinburgh -</p> <p>World class cycling city... </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=1365#post-12797 Thu, 09 Sep 2010 10:34:07 +0000 kaputnik 12797@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>I think the simple answer is that the slope is too steep to contemplate straight steps. </em></p> <p>Didnae stop them putting in a BMX dirt-jump of an access slope to the Balgreen / Pinkhill / Corstorphine railway path behind the old Jenner Repository. That and a daft wee access lane that isn't sufficiently wide to allow 2 bikes to pass. All in the name of a massive access road for the tram works. I'm sure they could have spared another metre of ground for the path. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=1365#post-12792 Thu, 09 Sep 2010 08:47:36 +0000 chdot 12792@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"why on earth can't they just put in some steps from the path to the road"</p> <p>I think the <em>simple</em> answer is that the slope is too steep to contemplate straight steps. </p> <p>Though obviously a zig-zag would be a possibility. This would cost money...</p> <p>It will be interesting to see how robust the fencing will be to prevent the most athletic/determined creating a new 'desire' line. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=1365#post-12790 Thu, 09 Sep 2010 07:50:39 +0000 Dave 12790@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>If Russell Rd is to remain open, and the Roseburn path also, why on earth can't they just put in some steps from the path to the road, beside the construction work?</p> <p>Sure, it's not DDA compliant, but it would be better than riding nine sides of a decagon to get around the closure for those who are able-bodied.</p> <p>(i.e. <a href="http://maps.google.co.uk/?ie=UTF8&amp;ll=55.943595,-3.22998&amp;spn=0.004464,0.016512&amp;z=17&amp;layer=c&amp;cbll=55.943606,-3.230161&amp;panoid=Wy6bkEX7ejj5sEjUmThPdg&amp;cbp=12,58.41,,0,5">here</a>, in a straight line down) .</p> <p>Only in Edinburgh, eh! </p>