http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ CityCyclingEdinburgh Forum » Topic: "Lower drink-drive limit before Christmas" en Sun, 31 May 2026 12:05:28 +0000 http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=13762&page=2#post-320014 Mon, 30 Dec 2019 09:11:05 +0000 biketrain 320014@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Big thanks to all that have posted so far. Much appreciated. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=13762&page=2#post-319933 Tue, 24 Dec 2019 10:58:11 +0000 acsimpson 319933@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@bax, it seems likely that a less equal society will experience more anti social crime. Also this is recorded crime. Motoring offences are presumably also excluded. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=13762&page=2#post-319924 Mon, 23 Dec 2019 23:50:33 +0000 minus six 319924@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>alarmist alcohol stats are entirely irrelevant</p> <p>all social classes drink alcohol to excess</p> <p>deprivation is the problem</p> <p>mental illness, poverty, poor education, and low socioeconomic status </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=13762&page=2#post-319917 Mon, 23 Dec 2019 22:00:18 +0000 gembo 319917@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Ooh, I got the How many crimes are alcohol related? Correct </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=13762&page=2#post-319913 Mon, 23 Dec 2019 20:12:38 +0000 Morningsider 319913@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Done - quite thought provoking questions.</p> <p>Biketrain - might want to point them at this article for some relevant research results from Minimum Unit Pricing in part of Canada:</p> <p><a href="https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1111/dar.12471" rel="nofollow">https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1111/dar.12471</a></p> <p>May need someone with access to academic journals to get the full thing for them. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=13762&page=2#post-319911 Mon, 23 Dec 2019 20:00:53 +0000 chdot 319911@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Interesting set of questions. </p> <p>You might like to read this AFTER completing them. </p> <p><a href="https://www.alcohol-focus-scotland.org.uk/alcohol-information/alcohol-facts-and-figures/" rel="nofollow">https://www.alcohol-focus-scotland.org.uk/alcohol-information/alcohol-facts-and-figures/</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=13762&page=2#post-319905 Mon, 23 Dec 2019 17:31:07 +0000 biketrain 319905@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Hi,<br /> Would be grateful if you could complete this short survey which will take only less than a minute.</p> <p> This is part of my colleague's daughter’s modern studies assignment work.</p> <p>The subject is alcohol consumption.</p> <p>It is her first survey so please be gentle.</p> <p><a href="https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/PL98S5X">Survey</a></p> <p>Thanks </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=13762&page=2#post-292546 Mon, 01 Oct 2018 16:41:47 +0000 jonty 292546@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I'm not sure there's any clear implication beyond "the policy, as implemented, had no measurable effect on road safety."</p> <p>It would be interesting to know whether behaviour changed or not - that's more of an enforcement/implementation thing. Certainly, if alcohol consumption pre-driving has genuinely reduced without a decrease in harm, that's quite a surprising result. I suspect compliance is not that good though. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=13762&page=2#post-292542 Mon, 01 Oct 2018 16:26:59 +0000 paddyirish 292542@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@mgj<br /> Good question</p> <p>I wonder if the limit dropping was low enough to enforce the choice that "you drink or you drive", rather than "I'll have 'one' and then drive."</p> <p>I would also have thought that the changes would have meant that more people could be caught "morning after" driving. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=13762&page=2#post-292539 Mon, 01 Oct 2018 16:15:51 +0000 mgj 292539@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Are they assuming that becuase the law lowered the legal limit, people drank less? That is a big assumption to make, and would be reflected in the responses to police random stops rather than accident stats. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=13762&page=2#post-292535 Mon, 01 Oct 2018 15:46:01 +0000 chdot 292535@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><a href="https://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/lower-drink-drive-limit-has-had-little-effect-on-road-safety-1-4807776" rel="nofollow">https://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/lower-drink-drive-limit-has-had-little-effect-on-road-safety-1-4807776</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=13762&page=2#post-212443 Thu, 18 Feb 2016 18:02:23 +0000 Min 212443@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Re. our conversation on the previous page about the previous alcohol limit being too high. I have just seen an experiment on Mythbusters where Adam drank up to 75mg (so he could still actually drive legally)and did a driving test. When he got into the car he was looking very disheveled and saying that he could not believe he was still legal to drive. He did pretty badly in the test BTW! And asked Jamie to drive them home. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=13762&page=2#post-209215 Thu, 21 Jan 2016 14:21:31 +0000 chdot 209215@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@s</p> <p>But is there any 'format' for the number of times/places police do checks around Christmases? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=13762&page=2#post-209212 Thu, 21 Jan 2016 14:17:52 +0000 slowcoach 209212@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>The xmas/new year 15-16 numbers are way up on those from 14-15, but the 14-15 numbers were quite a bit down on 13-14, so maybe it was 14-15 numbers that were unusual and 15-16 is just some of the 3% of drivers tested who were drunk returning to their usual behaviour? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=13762&page=2#post-209191 Thu, 21 Jan 2016 13:26:18 +0000 Min 209191@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Christmas drink driving <a href="http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-35371330">up by a third</a> over last year, and NOT because of the lower limit. At least it only accounts for a small percentage.</p> <p><em>However, police figures showed that just 19 of the 459 drivers caught were found to be between Scotland's old and new drink-drive limit.</em> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=13762&page=2#post-206092 Fri, 04 Dec 2015 20:43:39 +0000 acsimpson 206092@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>But is it the lower limit which has caused the fall? Or is it just less effort being put into detection? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=13762&page=2#post-206084 Fri, 04 Dec 2015 19:32:39 +0000 chdot 206084@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"</p> <p>Drink-drive numbers fall after Scottish limit reduced</p> <p>"</p> <p><a href="http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-34999421" rel="nofollow">http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-34999421</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=13762&page=2#post-188788 Tue, 19 May 2015 08:08:52 +0000 chdot 188788@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"<br /> The drink-drive limit in England and Wales should be cut to match that in Scotland, the Police Federation says. </p> <p>"</p> <p><a href="http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-32789631" rel="nofollow">http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-32789631</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=13762&page=2#post-183903 Sat, 21 Mar 2015 23:07:42 +0000 chdot 183903@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><a href="http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/home-news/scots-pubs-lose-millions-after-drink-drive-changes.121130892" rel="nofollow">http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/home-news/scots-pubs-lose-millions-after-drink-drive-changes.121130892</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=13762&page=2#post-176734 Thu, 01 Jan 2015 21:59:01 +0000 chdot 176734@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><a href="http://www.scotsman.com/news/health/call-to-lower-drink-driving-limit-further-1-3648911" rel="nofollow">http://www.scotsman.com/news/health/call-to-lower-drink-driving-limit-further-1-3648911</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=13762&page=2#post-171027 Wed, 05 Nov 2014 15:01:24 +0000 threefromleith 171027@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>In Slovenia this year, my Slovene pal came stotting out of the bar one night, stopped to have a slightly slurred conversation with the local police who'd parked up outside, then proceeded to get into his BMW and drive off. The police didn't bat an eyelid.</p> <p>My pal told me they're not bothered unless you're drunk and causing aggro, or you actually crash after they let you drive off unchallenged.</p> <p>I'm grateful that they have some fabulous segregated cycling infrastructure over there, so you're kept well away from the boozy drivers! </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=13762&page=2#post-171026 Wed, 05 Nov 2014 14:59:30 +0000 Ed1 171026@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Poland has had a lower limit for decades also more of a drink drive problem.<br /> I read in the paper that 10 years ago poland make riding a bike subject to the same laws as a car and now sends people to prison for riding a bike over the limit. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=13762&page=2#post-171013 Wed, 05 Nov 2014 14:22:11 +0000 Charlethepar 171013@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Does anyone think that this might lead to a different interpretation of the less measurable "unfit to ride through drink" restriction on cycling after a tipple? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=13762#post-170983 Wed, 05 Nov 2014 12:57:41 +0000 chdot 170983@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"</p> <p>Police claims that they expect to catch around a third more drink drivers when the alcohol limit is reduced on December 5 have been challenged. </p> <p>The limit will be reduced from 80mg to 50mg per 100ml of blood, backed by a widespread public awareness campaign to alert Christmas revellers. </p> <p>But the figure has been challenged by Justice Secretary Kenny MacAskill who said the projection is not supported by international evidence.</p> <p> "</p> <p><a href="http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/transport/drink-drive-limit-claim-challenged-1-3594433" rel="nofollow">http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/transport/drink-drive-limit-claim-challenged-1-3594433</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=13762#post-170891 Tue, 04 Nov 2014 18:31:37 +0000 crowriver 170891@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@Its_Me_Knees, yes it does rather depend which part of Europe we think we're bringing ourselves into line with. The 'south' has a much more relaxed attitude to what are seen as minor infractions of the penal code: unless of course there's a crash and they're looking to put the blame on someone, then suddenly drink driving, etc. will be a problem. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=13762#post-170889 Tue, 04 Nov 2014 18:25:58 +0000 chdot 170889@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"</p> <p>Call for Scottish drink-drive limit to be introduced in England and Wales</p> <p>"</p> <p><a href="http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/lifestyle/motoring/call-scottish-drink-drive-limit-introduced-4563357" rel="nofollow">http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/lifestyle/motoring/call-scottish-drink-drive-limit-introduced-4563357</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=13762#post-170882 Tue, 04 Nov 2014 16:53:39 +0000 chdot 170882@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><a href="http://www.scotsman.com/news/transport/kenny-macaskill-warns-drivers-over-new-drink-limit-1-3593418" rel="nofollow">http://www.scotsman.com/news/transport/kenny-macaskill-warns-drivers-over-new-drink-limit-1-3593418</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=13762#post-169480 Sat, 25 Oct 2014 08:58:15 +0000 Its_Me_Knees 169480@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Not wishing to get all Daily Mail about this, but the suggestion that this brings us into line with Europe is only half right. My experience of Italy, France and Spain reveals a general disregard of the drink-driving laws in those countries. My last visit to Italy saw a big, vino and limoncello fuelled, restaurant party depart in a half-dozen beemers and mercs (and one Alfa) and roar off - somewhat wonkily - into the night. The local carabinieri were too busy lifting hoody yoofs from street corners to bat an eyelid at the tipsy drivers. As such, the 50mg limit was entirely academic... </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=13762#post-169468 Fri, 24 Oct 2014 20:56:09 +0000 LaidBack 169468@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Anyway...</p> <p>As SNP have majority at Holyrood this should go through un-opposed shouldn't it ?</p> <p>Luckily for us there are no important parties in this country that have leaders that like to be seen seen in a pub with pint in hand .. or ones who think that being in line with Europe is a bad thing ;-) </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=13762#post-169450 Fri, 24 Oct 2014 19:09:58 +0000 gkgk 169450@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Volvo will have to recalibrate their Alcostart ignitions! </p>