http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ CityCyclingEdinburgh Forum » Topic: "Plan to tarmac Edinburgh’s historic streets" en Mon, 18 May 2026 21:33:48 +0000 http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=13775&page=2#post-320655 Sun, 12 Jan 2020 12:05:27 +0000 gembo 320655@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Counting the days until it is run over. Very droll </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=13775&page=2#post-320645 Sun, 12 Jan 2020 00:26:20 +0000 urchaidh 320645@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>There's also <a href="https://twitter.com/BrightonBollard">The Brighton Place Bollard</a>. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=13775&page=2#post-320631 Sat, 11 Jan 2020 19:13:12 +0000 gembo 320631@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Was a lot of rain falling. Nice touch with the rubber duck </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=13775&page=2#post-320630 Sat, 11 Jan 2020 18:56:26 +0000 chdot 320630@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><a href="https://twitter.com/talkporty/status/1216016131925954561" rel="nofollow">https://twitter.com/talkporty/status/1216016131925954561</a></p> <p>(Can’t find newer thread on Brighton Place) </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=13775&page=2#post-291531 Tue, 18 Sep 2018 18:22:42 +0000 Snowy 291531@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Yup, I remember Thirlestane being done, in 2 phases. Two main issues, firstly the setts have huge gaps between them. It does make me wonder where all the leftover setts went, because there weren't big gaps beforehand, so by my reckoning 10-15% of the setts would have been left over. I wonder if setts fetch a good price?</p> <p>Second problem, primarily on the western end, they left about 3 - 4cm of sett protruding above the bonding. They've filled in a bit with dirt now but it's a jarring experience.</p> <p>They then put a line of setts *along* the road, at 90 degrees to the rest of the setts, which was supposed to delineate parking. I think they mistakenly thought the north side was end-on car parking, but it's actually parallel parking. So in reality that line of setts is about a metre out from the parked cars, with a continuous gaps about 3cm wide and 3cm deep right where bikes are ridden. </p> <p>It's a great place to practice for avoiding tramlines.</p> <p><a href="https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@55.9353795,-3.1990016,3a,75y,267.37h,63.33t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sr8jHgSRj2I5h1nP6uQDU1A!2e0!7i13312!8i6656">Streetview link</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=13775&page=2#post-291448 Tue, 18 Sep 2018 09:54:08 +0000 mgj 291448@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Someone should come and have a look at the lovely setts on Thirlestane Road, relaid at a cost of £1m over ten months ten years ago. It is barely suitable for motorised traffic and I wouldnt cycle on it other than with front suspension. Damage to the road was not done by utilities works; it wasnt done very well in the first place, and has subsided and split apart all over the place, except where the bonding was put in, which is a small part of the road. Putting in grids parallel to the traffic isnt great (or grate) either.</p> <p>Poorly maintained setts are not suitable for cycling on. Poor tarmac is better. Edinburgh seems to be skint, so tarmac it is. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=13775&page=2#post-291437 Tue, 18 Sep 2018 07:06:32 +0000 gembo 291437@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Lovely setts gone in behind Conan Doyle pub.Up by John Lewis </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=13775&page=2#post-291430 Mon, 17 Sep 2018 23:11:03 +0000 Snowy 291430@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>"Present problems with the setts are believed to have been caused when utility works failed to look after the cobbles properly."</em></p> <p>This. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=13775&page=2#post-291325 Mon, 17 Sep 2018 11:27:01 +0000 chdot 291325@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><a href="https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/work-to-begin-on-hotly-disputed-portobello-setts-as-traders-say-their-views-are-ignored-1-4800893" rel="nofollow">https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/work-to-begin-on-hotly-disputed-portobello-setts-as-traders-say-their-views-are-ignored-1-4800893</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=13775&page=2#post-285903 Thu, 28 Jun 2018 10:04:57 +0000 chdot 285903@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>“</p> <p>Transport and Environment Convener, Cllr Lesley Macinnes, told campaigners that the decision could not be reversed as it was part of a citywide improvement policy.</p> <p>“</p> <p><a href="https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/our-region/edinburgh/roadworks-campaign-finds-itself-in-new-jam-1-4759355" rel="nofollow">https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/our-region/edinburgh/roadworks-campaign-finds-itself-in-new-jam-1-4759355</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=13775&page=2#post-281308 Sat, 28 Apr 2018 10:58:23 +0000 neddie 281308@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Maybe the Americans had the right idea, keeping the non-liquid utilities above ground &amp; suspended on street lighting columns? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=13775#post-281296 Sat, 28 Apr 2018 07:56:00 +0000 Tulyar 281296@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>The detail is in what is built UNDER the road surface NOT the upper layers.</p> <p>This is what you dig down at least 3 metres to put in when you plant trees along the side of the road to get roots going down and not making the surfacing heave</p> <p><a href="https://farm1.staticflickr.com/978/41710786372_48baa1bf25_m.jpg" rel="nofollow">https://farm1.staticflickr.com/978/41710786372_48baa1bf25_m.jpg</a></p> <p><a href="https://farm1.staticflickr.com/867/27882496068_ca63933c96_m.jpg" rel="nofollow">https://farm1.staticflickr.com/867/27882496068_ca63933c96_m.jpg</a></p> <p><a href="https://farm1.staticflickr.com/822/39175150200_c18fa142d4_m.jpg" rel="nofollow">https://farm1.staticflickr.com/822/39175150200_c18fa142d4_m.jpg</a></p> <p>and this is what a properly laid road looks like after 160 years with minimal maintenance and no utility company digging it up and not reinstating it correctly - notice how water sheds from minimal camber into self flushing gulley &amp; flat top setts, as deep as they are wide, and laid with a tight bond, and tar-sealed joints, have maintained a smooth running surface, that accommodates movement by fractional variations between each element - but with the tight bond the setts cannot rock, &amp; fall out to form holes. </p> <p><a href="https://www.flickr.com/photos/h52/41710801282/in/datetaken/" rel="nofollow">https://www.flickr.com/photos/h52/41710801282/in/datetaken/</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=13775#post-281250 Fri, 27 Apr 2018 14:54:22 +0000 chdot 281250@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Mmm, thar is a strange one -</p> <p><a href="https://lothianbuses.co.uk/assets/files/r69_140601.pdf" rel="nofollow">https://lothianbuses.co.uk/assets/files/r69_140601.pdf</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=13775#post-281249 Fri, 27 Apr 2018 14:43:35 +0000 wangi 281249@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>More buses than that. </p> <p>Plus the magical mystery 69. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=13775#post-281234 Fri, 27 Apr 2018 12:52:26 +0000 urchaidh 281234@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@neddie <em>I strongly doubt they will go to that much effort on Brighton Pl</em></p> <p>My understanding is this will be the whole shebang - rerouting utilities and laying a concrete trough to bed the setts into. This is why it will take 60 weeks and cost so much.</p> <p>Brighton Place carries three bus routes, maybe 8/hr in each direction during the day, so it had better be good. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=13775#post-281231 Fri, 27 Apr 2018 12:28:07 +0000 neddie 281231@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>a lot of effort went into the laying and the layer below. Also involved epoxy.</em></p> <p>I strongly doubt they will go to that much effort on Brighton Pl. and even if they did, the expense would be enormous.</p> <p>Surely it would be cheaper to provide a segregated flat topped cycle lane to start with, to keep heavy vehicles out? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=13775#post-281221 Fri, 27 Apr 2018 11:18:16 +0000 PS 281221@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>The ones on Howe Street seem to be bearing up well too. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=13775#post-281183 Thu, 26 Apr 2018 20:37:05 +0000 chdot 281183@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>“The flat-top setts at the High St/Bridges junction have held up well under a massive burden of buses and lorries.”</p> <p>Yes, very impressive. </p> <p>Seem to remember a lot of effort went into the laying <em>and</em> the layer below. </p> <p>Also involved epoxy. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=13775#post-281175 Thu, 26 Apr 2018 18:54:01 +0000 Colonies_Chris 281175@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>The flat-top setts at the High St/Bridges junction have held up well under a massive burden of buses and lorries. If these new ones are laid properly (ay, there's the rub), they should survive a few years of parking and still be OK to cycle on. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=13775#post-281170 Thu, 26 Apr 2018 17:24:54 +0000 mgj 281170@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>What a spectacular waste of money, and the finger of blame can be pointed at cyclists. Not in my name; if any adjustment is to be made, it should be to remove or tarmac over these (and all other) setts. Setts are not really compatible with bikes (see Thirlestane Road for example, a criminal waste of £1m plus, that threatens my fillings every morning). </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=13775#post-281169 Thu, 26 Apr 2018 17:21:18 +0000 neddie 281169@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>So once all the flat top setts have been destroyed after a decade of being parked on by heavy vehicles, we might get a chance to use them?</p> <p>Bonkers council, as per </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=13775#post-281162 Thu, 26 Apr 2018 16:21:35 +0000 wangi 281162@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><a href="http://www.portobellocc.org/pccpn/2018/04/26/brighton-place-sett-reconstruction-update-26-april/" rel="nofollow">http://www.portobellocc.org/pccpn/2018/04/26/brighton-place-sett-reconstruction-update-26-april/</a><br /> "To facilitate active travel:</p> <p> It is proposed to introduce a 1.5m strip, from the kerb, of flat-top setts along the full length of the northbound carriageway.<br /> It is proposed to introduce a 1.5m strip, from the kerb, of flat-top setts from Rosefield Place to the railway bridge on the southbound carriageway.<br /> Whilst we accept that cyclists will have limited access to the flat top sets on the southbound carriageway due to parked cars, this will future proof the street if it was proposed to introduce an east-west cycle scheme using Brighton Place.<br /> A further improvement to cycling in Brighton Place will be to introduce an island near the entry to Christian Path. This will provide cyclists with additional protection when making the right turn onto the Christian Path on the northbound carriageway.<br /> " </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=13775#post-208233 Tue, 12 Jan 2016 20:16:34 +0000 gembo 208233@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I was in a lift today and pressed two lower buttons in error then the correct floor (tricky lift, the ground floor is five and the first floor is Seven). I had to use charm and possibly quark and strangeness to avoid being garrotted by someone upstream in this thread </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=13775#post-208226 Tue, 12 Jan 2016 18:55:15 +0000 crowriver 208226@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>An outbreak of common sense at the City Chambers. The setts are dreadful on Brighton Place. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=13775#post-208221 Tue, 12 Jan 2016 18:23:00 +0000 chdot 208221@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"</p> <p>@CllrNickCook: I'm glad Transport Committee saw sense today and voted for popular community option @portobellocc <a href="https://t.co/gBdVS816gO" rel="nofollow">https://t.co/gBdVS816gO</a></p> <p>" </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=13775#post-208220 Tue, 12 Jan 2016 18:21:46 +0000 chdot 208220@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>“</p> <p>We’ve gone with what the community council have told us.</p> <p>"</p> <p>That's convenient (cheaper too...) </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=13775#post-208217 Tue, 12 Jan 2016 17:50:14 +0000 PS 208217@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><a href="http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/portobello-cobbled-street-to-be-replaced-with-asphalt-1-3998277">http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/portobello-cobbled-street-to-be-replaced-with-asphalt-1-3998277</a></p> <p>"<br /> A CRUMBLING road in the Capital is to be resurfaced with asphalt rather than setts after councillors upheld community fears over cost, safety and disruption.</p> <p>...</p> <p>Speaking after the decision, Councillor Lesley Hinds, transport and environment leader, said: “We’ve gone with what the community council have told us.<br /> " </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=13775#post-208168 Tue, 12 Jan 2016 11:15:37 +0000 chdot 208168@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><a href="http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/portobello-cobbled-street-repair-to-cost-1-2m-1-3998277" rel="nofollow">http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/portobello-cobbled-street-repair-to-cost-1-2m-1-3998277</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=13775#post-179697 Tue, 03 Feb 2015 12:43:20 +0000 wangi 179697@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Thanks for the feedback. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=13775#post-179542 Mon, 02 Feb 2015 12:01:47 +0000 cc 179542@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Yes, it's impossible to go at 30 if you care about your vehicle's suspension, anyway! Or about the safety of those your vehicle may unpredictably bounce towards as it hurtles over the holes.<br /> When I drive a car along that road I go at 10-15mph at most.<br /> (and when I cycle I use the excellent Christian Path). </p>