http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ CityCyclingEdinburgh Forum » Topic: A pedestrian on Princes St en Wed, 13 May 2026 09:00:12 +0000 http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=13949&page=6#post-294743 Thu, 01 Nov 2018 14:18:12 +0000 Ed1 294743@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Hermiston gate roundabout path has no traffic lights and the lights run too close together meaning if heading from out of town to town sometimes have to wait several light cycles as no gaps to cross </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=13949&page=6#post-294737 Thu, 01 Nov 2018 13:32:26 +0000 jonty 294737@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I think the North Bridge junction has been double-phase all year. Further away from the festival, phases are occasionally skipped cos button isn't pressed. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=13949&page=6#post-294730 Thu, 01 Nov 2018 12:23:54 +0000 Murun Buchstansangur 294730@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"I was always under the impression that the two-pedestrian-phase-per-traffic-cycle timing was a summertime thing only when the press of crowds is overwhelming."</p> <p>This - but it is normally switched back sooner after festival? I was beginning to think they weren't going to bother this year. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=13949&page=6#post-294727 Thu, 01 Nov 2018 11:32:33 +0000 paulmilne 294727@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I was always under the impression that the two-pedestrian-phase-per-traffic-cycle timing was a summertime thing only when the press of crowds is overwhelming. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=13949&page=6#post-294723 Thu, 01 Nov 2018 11:21:32 +0000 neddie 294723@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Has anyone else noticed that the timing of the lights at the High St / Bank St / George IV Br junction seems to have been 'optimised*'?</p> <p>There used to be two pedestrian phases every cycle (i.e. a pedestrian phase after <em>every </em>vehicle phase). Now it seems there is only one pedestrian phase per cycle (i.e. <em>Two </em>vehicle phases, then a pedestrian phase)</p> <p>Traffic queues on George IV Br seem to have temporarily reduced (until Google/Waze/anecdotes redirects everyone). But at what cost to pedestrians? - now long wait times to add to the already absurdly long wait times at Market St / Mound. </p> <p>How can they "just" do this? How can they further disadvantage pedestrians like this, in the middle of an eminently walkable WHS? Do Living Streets, Lesley MacI, et al, know?</p> <p>*Prioritising the handful of people in motor vehicles, at the expense of those on foot </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=13949&page=6#post-265257 Wed, 01 Nov 2017 13:00:10 +0000 chdot 265257@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>But these things are all relatively solvable with a bit of management vision. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=13949&page=6#post-243602 Sun, 26 Feb 2017 21:19:33 +0000 acsimpson 243602@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Sorry, my mistake. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=13949&page=6#post-243510 Fri, 24 Feb 2017 10:39:10 +0000 neddie 243510@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@acsimpson</p> <p>I was referring to Fountainbridge's blog which falls into the same "sentient beings" trap as most news outlets </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=13949&page=6#post-243499 Fri, 24 Feb 2017 08:08:56 +0000 acsimpson 243499@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Or simply:</p> <p>"<em>A woman has been involved in an collision with a bus on Princes Street</em>"</p> <p>With no detail on wether she or the driver was at error it's hard to say. Perhaps she stepped out in front of the bus in which case I don't think the driver needs mentioned, or perhaps the driver used the horn thinking it was the brake in which case this wording is appalling. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=13949&page=6#post-243481 Thu, 23 Feb 2017 21:04:38 +0000 neddie 243481@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>"Pedestrians knocked over by vehicles in Edinburgh"</em></p> <p>Ahem.</p> <p>"Pedestrians knocked over by drivers in Edinburgh"</p> <p>Mibbe...? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=13949&page=6#post-243470 Thu, 23 Feb 2017 18:59:16 +0000 Fountainbridge 243470@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I'm now keeping track of pedestrian's being knocked over in Edinburgh. So far in 2017 (that's 7 weeks) 2 have died, 6 injured.</p> <p><a href="http://fountainbridge.blogspot.co.uk/2017/02/pedestrians-knowcked-over-by-vehicles.html" rel="nofollow">http://fountainbridge.blogspot.co.uk/2017/02/pedestrians-knowcked-over-by-vehicles.html</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=13949&page=6#post-243434 Thu, 23 Feb 2017 14:16:12 +0000 chdot 243434@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><a href="http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/our-region/edinburgh/woman-struck-by-bus-on-princes-street-1-4374613" rel="nofollow">http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/our-region/edinburgh/woman-struck-by-bus-on-princes-street-1-4374613</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=13949&page=6#post-242107 Fri, 03 Feb 2017 15:17:44 +0000 Ed1 242107@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>The tram also has a sense of entitlement, if you pull out on to princer street cycling down the road and then the trams come along behind expects you to pull over ringing its bell, of course I do such and be unworkable otherwise likewise would with the bus sometimes. If my bell worked I would cycle behind the tram ringing my bell</p> <p>For clarity to establish principle from a practical perspective, what if all pedestrians did cross and walk on the road how would buses and tram ever get by? What if there was no presumption of vehicular priority?</p> <p>Most of the pedestrians on princer street just engaging in excessive consumption and frivolity -) Apart from me of course normally just trying to get back from the station </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=13949&page=6#post-242106 Fri, 03 Feb 2017 15:15:44 +0000 kaputnik 242106@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>In Scotland, there has always been a presumption – in the minds of drivers, if not the authorities – that the car comes first.</em></p> <p>Funnily enough, Princes Street <em>used</em> to be the exception. People kept on crossing well after green man was replaced by red, and traffic <u>always</u> waited patiently until everyone was clear. Weight of numbers carried the day.</p> <p>I'm not sure when this all changed.</p> <p>Probably the fault of the trams or David Begg if you ask the Chipwrapper. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=13949&page=6#post-242103 Fri, 03 Feb 2017 14:59:23 +0000 PS 242103@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>In Scotland, there has always been a presumption – in the minds of drivers, if not the authorities – that the car comes first. Those on foot must wait until the road is clear of vehicles, when there is no green man or zebra crossing.</em></p> <p>I had first hand experience of this last night as I crossed an deserted city centre street* last night. </p> <p>As I walked across, a car that had been parked on the left hand side of the road signalled and pulled out. I was now half way across the road passing from the left-turn lane to the right-turn lane and so kept on walking. Cardriverman obviously wanted to turn right because he swung out and simply drove towards me sounding his horn. No reason why he couldn't have made his manoeuvre after he'd passed me expect for the fact that the car comes first, I guess.</p> <p>He got an enthusiastic wave in response which, with bad timing, only turned into the universal sign language for onanist once he was behind me.</p> <p>*This was at 17h30, so said broad two lane wide street was deserted at rush hour. And yet we don't have room for wider pavements or segregated cyclelanes... </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=13949&page=5#post-242101 Fri, 03 Feb 2017 14:38:24 +0000 neddie 242101@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><a href="http://www.scotsman.com/news/opinion/alastair-dalton-simpler-crossings-could-be-the-answer-for-our-roads-1-4356114" rel="nofollow">http://www.scotsman.com/news/opinion/alastair-dalton-simpler-crossings-could-be-the-answer-for-our-roads-1-4356114</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=13949&page=5#post-241749 Fri, 27 Jan 2017 20:26:46 +0000 gembo 241749@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Aw c'mon, PS, drivers need to be able to eat their cornflakes in the way into work from bowl in their lap, spend the day on their mobile phones whilst driving and then eat their tea from a different receptacle, same lap on way home. They cannot do all this and contend with peds </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=13949&page=5#post-241684 Fri, 27 Jan 2017 11:06:51 +0000 PS 241684@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>It’s hard to avoid the temptation to jaywalk</em></p> <p>That article is utter garbage. "Jaywalking" isn't a crime, so why the hell would "pedestrian red lights" be "enforced"?</p> <p>It's entirely fair to expect drivers driving in the economic heart of the city to cope with pedestrians, who are far more numerous that drivers. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=13949&page=5#post-241667 Thu, 26 Jan 2017 22:39:16 +0000 Murun Buchstansangur 241667@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Was that EEN article originally written in crayon? Dear God. "Will no-one think of the poor drivers!". To think she was once a councillor. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=13949&page=5#post-241665 Thu, 26 Jan 2017 22:12:56 +0000 chdot 241665@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"</p> <p>Pedestrians in Princes Street and environs seem to get a much rawer deal than those in the Royal Mile (tourist) area. Tram priority means very long waits for pedestrian green lights – and this is a very windy and cold city. Further, there often seems not enough time for the less mobile to cross.</p> <p>"</p> <p><a href="http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/opinion/moyra-forrest-it-s-hard-to-avoid-the-temptation-to-jaywalk-1-4348713" rel="nofollow">http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/opinion/moyra-forrest-it-s-hard-to-avoid-the-temptation-to-jaywalk-1-4348713</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=13949&page=5#post-240356 Fri, 06 Jan 2017 18:07:19 +0000 David Hunter 240356@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Living Streets have re-posted video of crossing mayhem at Frederick Street on Facebook <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Du9ehaFcPKI" rel="nofollow">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Du9ehaFcPKI</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=13949&page=5#post-240274 Thu, 05 Jan 2017 16:31:22 +0000 chdot 240274@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><a href="http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/our-region/edinburgh/woman-struck-by-taxi-on-princes-street-1-4332576" rel="nofollow">http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/our-region/edinburgh/woman-struck-by-taxi-on-princes-street-1-4332576</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=13949&page=5#post-240198 Wed, 04 Jan 2017 18:16:06 +0000 Murun Buchstansangur 240198@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><a href="http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/transport/man-injured-after-being-hit-by-bus-on-princes-street-1-4331749" rel="nofollow">http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/transport/man-injured-after-being-hit-by-bus-on-princes-street-1-4331749</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=13949&page=5#post-222961 Mon, 13 Jun 2016 21:59:01 +0000 unhurt 222961@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Was just thinking this evening that Princes Street needs some bike stands actually on it, as the hoops near Waterstones (all two of them) were already in use. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=13949&page=5#post-222936 Mon, 13 Jun 2016 15:28:51 +0000 wingpig 222936@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><blockquote><em>"I can never remember which "block" the shops I want are on."</em></blockquote></p> <p>The last few times I went to the big Boots I had to check beforehand. I haven't had an accurate internal map of Princes Street since the HMV and Vermin at the West end stopped being in the right place. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=13949&page=5#post-222934 Mon, 13 Jun 2016 15:24:46 +0000 Min 222934@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>My difficulty in that respect (ignoring all the others for now) is that I can never remember which "block" the shops I want are on. So if I get it wrong I have all the super-long waits at ped crossings AND the walk from the racks on Rose Street to add to my time. They are super for shops on Rose Street though. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=13949&page=5#post-222930 Mon, 13 Jun 2016 15:01:48 +0000 wingpig 222930@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I know there are now cyclehoops on Princes Street but I don't fancy the idea of having to watch out for them whilst watching out for everything else and not going under a bus, so I tend to use George Street's surface and Rose Street's racks if I have to get something from Princes Street. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=13949&page=5#post-222900 Mon, 13 Jun 2016 13:10:02 +0000 steveo 222900@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I'm the same, I'd rather go to Hermiston Gait or Blackhall than town. Both of which I can get to quicker on the bike than by car. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=13949&page=5#post-222886 Mon, 13 Jun 2016 12:43:39 +0000 Min 222886@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>A week and a half ago I cycled to Boots in Princes Street to buy hayfever tablets. Today I cycled to Ocean Terminal to get them. Here is how it went.</p> <p>Princes Street - cycle through hostile streets, try to avoid being taken out by tramlines and car/taxi/bus drivers simultaneously. Get off and walk rather than cycle along Princes Street. Wait for a ridiculous length of time to cross each side street. Try to find a cycle hoop to lock bike to. Eventually find one with only one bike attached. Nearly get bum ripped off by double decker while attaching/removing bike as they as so close to the road.</p> <p>Ocean Terminal - cycle mostly on the NEPN. Lock bike to Sheffield stand right outside the front door. Walk straight to and from shops.</p> <p>I think that is what is known as a no-brainer and I am not a fan of shopping centres in general but really, Princes Street is just not worth the bother. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=13949&page=5#post-207306 Sat, 26 Dec 2015 17:55:12 +0000 Fountainbridge 207306@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>How long does it take to cross eight meters of Grosvenor Street, obeying all traffic lights?</p> <p>1 minute 46 seconds.</p> <p>So 1 vehicle could drive through</p> <p><a href="https://youtu.be/z6--HrUyzOk" rel="nofollow">https://youtu.be/z6--HrUyzOk</a> </p>