http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ CityCyclingEdinburgh Forum » Topic: Cultins Road (again) en Tue, 19 May 2026 11:28:48 +0000 http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=13953&page=2#post-322781 Mon, 17 Feb 2020 22:57:17 +0000 gembo 322781@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@snowy, clarifying nothing is the 2020 way. Over on facebook I clarified the difference between vegetable and butter ghee. @jdanielp thanked me for the clarification. I found that to be very amusing. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=13953&page=2#post-322780 Mon, 17 Feb 2020 22:52:30 +0000 Snowy 322780@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@ejstubbs<br /> <em>&gt; Note that it is a "flying bicycle" shared use sign, not the sign for a path with segregated pedestrian and cycle lanes. Thus I believe that any remnants of white linage on the path are obsolete.</em></p> <p>I'd say you're spot on: the original signage visible in old photos was the segregated sign, down near the bottom end. So the current shared-use sign near Decathlon is consistent with the deliberate removal of the white line post-tram.</p> <p>Basically, pre-tram, only the north section of path was valid for cycling, so it was a confused guddle even back then. Tram works were then used as an opportunity to clarify, er, nothing whatsoever. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=13953&page=2#post-322765 Mon, 17 Feb 2020 16:43:59 +0000 acsimpson 322765@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@ejstubbs, IIRC "local buses" means any which are running to a timetable. A London to Inverness service is ok but an LRT private hire isn't. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=13953&page=2#post-322762 Mon, 17 Feb 2020 16:20:01 +0000 Rosie 322762@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Ah well, may have to drop my cycling on pavement habit if it's going to get me a criminal record. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=13953&page=2#post-322737 Mon, 17 Feb 2020 12:23:28 +0000 gembo 322737@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Glasgow bus goes round the triangle. Well always did when I travelled on the Coupon the driver used to punch (10 journey ticket). Early 1900s coupons were introduced for the trams in Glasgow and vwere the second most common thing that got punched in Glasgow. Faces were the most common. Hence the vernacular expression Whit's wrang wi' yoor coupon? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=13953&page=2#post-322736 Mon, 17 Feb 2020 12:11:55 +0000 ejstubbs 322736@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@chdot: <em>All sorts of places are marked as CP, including (for instance) Easter Road - which has been mentioned on here before.</em></p> <p>Also West Maitland Street. Westbound, the carriageway is now trams and local buses* only. If you were on a bike and wanted to go that way (rather than round the Torphichen Place/Morrison Street triangle) then you'd have to use the footway - which would normally be an offence unless you dismounted and pushed. (Arguably you couldn't use the "fear of traffic" excuse for cycling on the footway, either, since you aren't supposed to be on the carriageway anyway).</p> <p>It does seem confusing, and some authoritative clarification would certainly be helpful. In the absence of such - and regardless of how briefly inconvenient I may find it - I'm afraid that I work on the basis that the designation of a road as a core path does <u>not</u> override traffic law. So I sometimes choose to dismount and push (and personally I'm OK with that).</p> <p><em>* I went to Glasgow on the bus the other weekend. I didn't notice at the time whether it went along West Maitland Street, or round the triangle. If the former then, according to the plate below the "no entry" sign at the Palmerston Place junction, it would have been doing so illegally.</em> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=13953&page=2#post-322734 Mon, 17 Feb 2020 11:39:04 +0000 ejstubbs 322734@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@cyclealex: <em>Would be more open to cycling on the road if you could at least tell where it starts being two-way...</em></p> <p>I think it's two-way everywhere except for the short stretch where there's the right-turn bus lane and the left-turn other traffic lane. Certainly there are no "no left turn" signs for traffic leaving the premises on the east side of the road, and there is at least one 20mph sign (haha) facing towards traffic heading southwards from that point (<a href="https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@55.9267491,-3.305458,3a,22.2y,133.26h,87.7t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sFssQK1lUvhZmNRhi5E3bJA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192">here</a>).</p> <p>There is a shared use path sign*, plus a dropped kerb, at the exit from the retail park service yard behind Decathlon, facing traffic heading northbound (<a href="https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@55.9257737,-3.304864,3a,49y,296.94h,90.73t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sWvujIUWqT_O31xFoF_PQJw!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo3.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3DWvujIUWqT_O31xFoF_PQJw%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D255.81104%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i16384!8i8192">here</a>). So I think it's pretty clear that it's shared use at least that far south from the T-junction. There is also a dropped kerb on the south side of that exit road, but whether that is any reliable indication of cycling being allowed I don't know (presumably dropped kerbs at junctions can also be provided for wheelchair users).</p> <p>Given that there is no "no right turn" sign for traffic leaving the service yard I think it's safe to assume that the road is two-way from at least that point southwards.</p> <p><em>* Note that it is a "flying bicycle" shared use sign, not the <a href="https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/55ba12b1ed915d155c00001d/sign-giving-order-segregated-cycle-pedestrian-route.jpg">sign for a path with segregated pedestrian and cycle lanes</a>. Thus I believe that any remnants of white linage on the path are obsolete.</em> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=13953#post-322728 Mon, 17 Feb 2020 10:29:58 +0000 chrisfl 322728@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I've also been stopped by the Police heading uphill pavement then crossed onto the road on Cutlins road.</p> <p>During commute time it can be a heady mix of speeding Royal Mail vans, coming out of the depot which doesn't have a an easy pavement crossing. Mixed up with cement mixers, car deliveries and HGV. MOst of which have just come off Motorways/Bypass and haven't yet switched to city driving. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=13953#post-322725 Mon, 17 Feb 2020 10:00:02 +0000 fimm 322725@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I <em>don't</em> cycle uphill on the Cutlins Road pavement precisely because that is where Gembo was stopped by the police. I go up Bankhead Drive and then turn right to get back on to Cutlins Road once it is two-way again. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=13953#post-322722 Mon, 17 Feb 2020 09:28:13 +0000 chdot 322722@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>“ it's law rather than policy which makes cycling on core paths legal. I'm not sure where clarification could come from outside of a court.”</p> <p>Yes, but. </p> <p>All sorts of places are marked as CP, including (for instance) Easter Road - which has been mentioned on here before. </p> <p>I may be wrong, but not sure if it’s clearly established that this makes cycling legal <em>on the pavement. </em></p> <p>One particular/peculiar problem with Cultins Rd is that part of the pavement was (and presumably still is) shared use - now with faded markings. </p> <p>It’s <em>possible</em> that a longer stretch has been designated as shared use in preparation for a previously planned further pavement widening. </p> <p>(Or not.) </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=13953#post-322720 Mon, 17 Feb 2020 08:53:53 +0000 acsimpson 322720@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@chdot, it's law rather than policy which makes cycling on core paths legal. I'm not sure where clarification could come from outside of a court.</p> <p>I'm not sure a bidirectional cyclepath is a good choice here due to the hill. It's quite possible to go down the road at over 30mph. Although the cars pulling out of side junctions are ignorant of that. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=13953#post-322714 Sun, 16 Feb 2020 23:01:25 +0000 CycleAlex 322714@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I usually cycle on the pavement unless it's busy (since it does get fairly narrow). Would be more open to cycling on the road if you could at least tell where it starts being two-way...</p> <p>The tram cycle safety plans will improve it a tad at the bottom (reducing radii/new raised table crossings).<br /> <a href="https://consultationhub.edinburgh.gov.uk/sfc/tram-route-cycle-safety-improvements/supporting_documents/Tram%20Cycle%20Safety%20Phase%203%20Consultation%20Drawing.pdf" rel="nofollow">https://consultationhub.edinburgh.gov.uk/sfc/tram-route-cycle-safety-improvements/supporting_documents/Tram%20Cycle%20Safety%20Phase%203%20Consultation%20Drawing.pdf</a> (last drawing) </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=13953#post-322713 Sun, 16 Feb 2020 22:33:22 +0000 chdot 322713@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Time to ask for some clear clarification of the realities of Core Paths. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=13953#post-322712 Sun, 16 Feb 2020 22:23:12 +0000 Snowy 322712@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Just checked historical photos - the bottom 50 metres of the footway used to have a solid line with one side having a painted bike, and this continued round the corner. Most of this footway got replaced during the tram works and the cycle signage was removed. About 15 metres of the footway still has the (very) faded white line, though. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=13953#post-322711 Sun, 16 Feb 2020 22:17:26 +0000 Snowy 322711@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Riding up the road is ok (ish) in daylight but in the dark and wet a slow-moving cyclist tends to experience a lot of drivers pulling out of the side streets without effectively looking. After several near misses I started using the footway; you obviously need to take care at the entrance-ways (Royal Mail, looking at you) but I can cope with the odd pedestrian glaring at me if it keeps me alive.<br /> Isn't there still an ancient shared-use sign at the bottom end? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=13953#post-322710 Sun, 16 Feb 2020 20:38:05 +0000 twinspark 322710@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@Greenroofer - That's what I do too. That too being based on the fact that it's in the Core Path Network... I'm sure there was evidence on this site somewhere as to the fact. As others have alluded to it's Conflict Central based on the number of people just trying to move around outwith motorised means to get to the huge number of businesses in that area. The Council's lack of forethought in this area is truly shocking given their alleged aspirations..... </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=13953#post-322701 Sun, 16 Feb 2020 14:29:12 +0000 Greenroofer 322701@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I always cycle up the footway from the Hermiston Gait exit to the canal. I thought that was allowed because it's in the Core Path network. Is it? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=13953#post-322700 Sun, 16 Feb 2020 13:54:31 +0000 gembo 322700@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Take care on the pavement when you have to cross the sorting office gates. Royal Mail vans driven at speed.</p> <p>Further in to the industrial estate you will find Ellie’s Snackbar. Perched on the hillside with bricks at the north end making it level and painted a fetching blue. As i have only ever passed it at night I have no idea of the fare on offer.</p> <p>I think I mean apprehension. Not my most elegant prose but my trusty Collins dictionary from 1977 (a joint birthday present from my aunt and my gran) gives Apprehension as the act of taking or seizing; the faculty of understanding; arrest; fear or dread. ‘Tis of course the Noun version of the verb Apprehend. So I do apprehend where you are coming from. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=13953#post-322699 Sun, 16 Feb 2020 12:29:30 +0000 Rosie 322699@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I always cycle up the pavement. There should be a better link from the tram path to the canal. It's an agreeable ride from Roseburn/Balgreen to West Lothian.</p> <p>Like SRD this is outwith peak times, so I have the impression of a quietish road and nary a soul on the pavement. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=13953#post-322698 Sun, 16 Feb 2020 12:15:29 +0000 SRD 322698@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>if coming from decathlon/tesco etc we usually cycle up the footpath - probably worse. it's shared use further down, but not at the bit where it turns onto the canal path. although we often go home by the tram path too.</p> <p>i agree, it's a mess. and a classic edinburgh style missing link. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=13953#post-322697 Sun, 16 Feb 2020 11:53:52 +0000 chdot 322697@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>“apprehension”</p> <p>You probably mean apprehendsion (but I’m not sure that’s a ‘word’)! </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=13953#post-322696 Sun, 16 Feb 2020 11:33:46 +0000 gembo 322696@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Cycling up late of an evening looking to make the right turn onto the towpath you are required to be very wary of the mad Royal Mail lorries travelling at speed on the wrong side of the road due to the parked cars on their side.</p> <p>Going through the industrial estate is eeerie. Traffic free with occasional risk at junctions.</p> <p>Certainly a rat run at commuter times with same parked cars getting in the way and travelling down there is a right turn that the cars take. After that you have much less traffic.</p> <p>It is a mess for sure.</p> <p>Also scene of my apprehension by the polis. For cycling up the wrong way. In the van for knife edge between just getting a row and getting a ticket. Aided by the many other cyclists whizzing by. They let me go and told me to tell my friends. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=13953#post-322695 Sun, 16 Feb 2020 11:04:48 +0000 chdot 322695@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>“am i being unfair?”</p> <p>Probably. </p> <p>That whole area is a mess of lost opportunities - EP Station, tram, shopping ‘mall’, mass employment at EP <em>and</em> a traffic free route to Tollcross and West Lothian. </p> <p>PLUS existing ped/cycle confusion/conflict due to unclear ‘shared use’ pavement.</p> <p>Also real dangers from traffic as mentioned in last post. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=13953#post-322694 Sun, 16 Feb 2020 10:56:48 +0000 jonty 322694@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I think because it's industrial there is a very pronounced rush hour. Lots of cars, vans and lorries tearing around while folk are trying to walk and cycle through (and to) the estate. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=13953#post-322693 Sun, 16 Feb 2020 10:52:03 +0000 chdot 322693@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>“<br /> The Council's internal estates team have not had sufficient resources to undertake this work and this has caused significant delays to the scheme's progression.<br /> “</p> <p>ThisIsEdinburgh </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=13953#post-322692 Sun, 16 Feb 2020 10:47:30 +0000 SRD 322692@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>We ride this regularly with our kids (decathlon, royal mail parcel collection, various sports and other things out that way). i can see how it neatens up the route, but honestly not high on my priority list. </p> <p>am i being unfair? i suppose i'm most often there on weekends / not rush hour, so my perception of risk may be biased. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=13953#post-322686 Sat, 15 Feb 2020 23:06:07 +0000 CycleAlex 322686@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><a href="https://www.showcase-sustrans.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2019/11/2019_11_14_Live-PfE-Projects-List.pdf">Latest on Cultins Road</a> - land issues still causing delays:</p> <p><blockquote>Cultins Road path is a QuietRoute link NCN 754 and QuietRoute 8. This link connects the Union Canal and Edinburgh’s largest business district, Edinburgh Park. The<br /> design aspect of this scheme involves a series of design improvements, including shared use footways, crossings, footway widening, and integrating cycles with the<br /> Edinburgh Park Tram stop.</p> <p>However prior to further design we will appoint a land agent to carny out the necessary land agreements on our behalf. The Council's internal estates team have not had sufficient resources to undertake this work and this has caused significant delays to the scheme's progression.</p> <p>This scheme will help implement a network approach across multiple neighbourhoods and business districts. It is diverse in terms of addressing both deprived residential areas and large scale business and retail parks in one project. </p> <p>The designs will include:<br /> •Widening and re‐determination of the western footpath, to create a segregated footway along Cultins Road. This will link the Union Canal towpath to the shared use paths in the vicinity of Edinburgh Park Station Tram stop and railway station.<br /> •Design improvements to the minor road crossing point on the route.</blockquote> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=13953#post-172506 Mon, 17 Nov 2014 15:37:09 +0000 wingpig 172506@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Prefer haiku. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=13953#post-172505 Mon, 17 Nov 2014 15:34:10 +0000 wingpig 172505@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>"Sounds rude."</em></p> <p>"Removing parking" sounds rude,</p> <p>if you perceive the removal of your inalienable right to drive wherever you like, whenever you like, however you like, stopping with impunity wherever whim dictates as a personal affront. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=13953#post-172504 Mon, 17 Nov 2014 15:27:16 +0000 chdot 172504@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"TIE-ku"</p> <p>Sounds rude. </p>