http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ CityCyclingEdinburgh Forum » Topic: Cycle lanes as a speed reducing measure en Mon, 18 May 2026 20:59:37 +0000 http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=14214#post-177962 Thu, 15 Jan 2015 17:39:34 +0000 gembo 177962@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@ chug, there are three sets of those islands on groathill road north, at some of the speedbumps. A separate channel on the inside for bikes to avoid the bump. alas mostly full of glass, or road signs and also cars in the neighbourhood parked up against them, so you have to go down the middle. but someone was thinking Bike when they installed the bumps. Well half of the bumps, the other half on that road are just standard bumps. Wind was too strong to stop for a picture (also no camera on my phone just a wee torch) </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=14214#post-177958 Thu, 15 Jan 2015 15:45:55 +0000 Colin 177958@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I've written to Councillor Childs about this and told her that it in my experience, cycle lanes had very little/no affect on traffic speeds. It might be beneficial if other people who felt the same also contacted their councillors.</p> <p>Cheers<br /> Colin</p> <p>PS Anyone in any doubt could ride East along the side of Musselburgh Race Course. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=14214#post-177937 Thu, 15 Jan 2015 13:43:15 +0000 slowcoach 177937@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><blockquote>"The Auchendinny set up should really allow cyclists to proceed even when the lights are at red.""If there is no solid white line in the cycle lane, then presumably it does?"</blockquote><br /> The cycle lanes don't start until 20 -40m past the stop lines, so legally cyclists have to stop if the signals are red. At the north end there are also pedestrian lights and an unusual set-up with another set of signals for an access, so putting a gap in for cycles to pass the red wouldn't just be a change in the paintwork. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=14214#post-177908 Thu, 15 Jan 2015 11:19:24 +0000 AKen 177908@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>If there is no solid white line in the cycle lane, then presumably it does?</p> <p>Not that you'd ever be able to see such a line. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=14214#post-177905 Thu, 15 Jan 2015 10:50:40 +0000 cb 177905@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>The Auchendinny set up should really allow cyclists to proceed even when the lights are at red. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=14214#post-177899 Thu, 15 Jan 2015 10:12:42 +0000 kaputnik 177899@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>The Macdonald roads ones are fine except, bizarrely, not all of the build-outs along the road have them! </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=14214#post-177895 Thu, 15 Jan 2015 09:38:16 +0000 fimm 177895@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Thank you</p> <p>The Auchendinny ones Arellcat links to are the ones I was thinking of. I don't think they ever clean them, and I never use them.</p> <p>The Macdonald Road ones look quite good? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=14214#post-177886 Wed, 14 Jan 2015 22:58:18 +0000 Chug 177886@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@Steveo <em>Looks very narrow</em></p> <p>Yip, but each lane is only one-way remember - so for a solo bike it was far better to use than being squeeze-passed at a traffic island by a car. Give me narrow and segregated (and one-way) over shared and conflicty any day of the week. </p> <p>And that one at the Jewel looks like at least one of the very wide pavements could be a two-way cycle path.... </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=14214#post-177862 Wed, 14 Jan 2015 18:22:17 +0000 slowcoach 177862@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>how to make a link to ... Google PC desktop (rather than mobile) in Classic version, there's a symbol of a chain link, off map/pic to left near top, in New version there is a symbol of a cog (?) on the map/pic just to the right of a '?' on the right near the bottom, to share or embed map.</p> <p>I guess that the narrowings at Auchendinny are to protect the bridges (by stopping lorries going over in opposite directions at same time) rather than as speed reduction features. Later advice from <a href="http://www.transportscotland.gov.uk/report/j185500-04.htm#centralislands">Transport Scotland</a> says "Wherever space permits, a cycle bypass should be provided, as shown in Figure 4.3 to prevent the cyclist space being squeezed by adjacent motor vehicles" </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=14214#post-177859 Wed, 14 Jan 2015 17:39:30 +0000 kaputnik 177859@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>And certainly not like these at <a href="https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@55.939624,-3.106186,3a,75y,256.89h,75.08t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1sxZ3YS3kFwjTZlX8f7M7row!2e0">the Jewel</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=14214#post-177857 Wed, 14 Jan 2015 17:26:32 +0000 Arellcat 177857@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Unlike <a href="http://goo.gl/maps/88Ztj" rel="nofollow">http://goo.gl/maps/88Ztj</a> (Auchendinny bridge), and more like <a href="http://goo.gl/maps/pvOox" rel="nofollow">http://goo.gl/maps/pvOox</a> (Macdonald Rd)? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=14214#post-177856 Wed, 14 Jan 2015 17:17:06 +0000 acsimpson 177856@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>That's the sort of thing I had in mind although the segregation should start before the island ideally. On further consideration I should update my manual to<br /> ... obligatory <strong>well maintained</strong> segregated cycle bypasses. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=14214#post-177853 Wed, 14 Jan 2015 17:09:07 +0000 fimm 177853@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>How do I make a link to google maps? There's an excellent example of useless pinch point cycle bypasses in Auchendinny, but I can't work out how to make a link to it. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=14214#post-177849 Wed, 14 Jan 2015 16:11:50 +0000 steveo 177849@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Looks <em>very</em> narrow and lets face it, in the UK it would be full of rubbish and leaf jam. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=14214#post-177843 Wed, 14 Jan 2015 15:25:04 +0000 dougal 177843@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@Chug - nice, does it work? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=14214#post-177826 Wed, 14 Jan 2015 14:22:07 +0000 Chug 177826@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>In my design manual every central island would have obligatory segregated cycle bypasses.</em></p> <p>Like this?</p> <p><a href="https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@-32.036838,115.76243,3a,75y,203.44h,64.99t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1ssNcN-LZ8QuxyIUwHSjcP1Q!2e0">Pinch point cycle bypass</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=14214#post-177775 Wed, 14 Jan 2015 11:06:10 +0000 chdot 177775@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"In my design manual every central island would have obligatory segregated cycle bypasses."</p> <p>Makes sense. </p> <p>Shame that... </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=14214#post-177773 Wed, 14 Jan 2015 11:03:09 +0000 acsimpson 177773@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Yes, it's amazing how many drivers will squeeze past you at a traffic island even if you are riding in primary and indicating right. I thought the normal way to narrow roads was to install a row of parked cars at either side.</p> <p>In my design manual every central island would have obligatory segregated cycle bypasses. If there isn't room for both then either install a proper pedestrian crossing or just the segregated cycle lanes protected by a series of <a href="http://www.ypl-streetfurniture.co.uk/viewItem/bollards/steel/antiram_bollards/id-325/catId-13/">these</a>. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=14214#post-177761 Wed, 14 Jan 2015 10:31:02 +0000 earthowned 177761@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Central islands are where I usually encounter the most problems with impatient drivers.</p> <p>If the council are going to build more of them then I hope they also add signs telling drivers not to overtake cyclists at these points. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=14214#post-177716 Tue, 13 Jan 2015 21:21:25 +0000 drnoble 177716@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I had the same reaction when I read that too.</p> <p>I only hope they meant that by including cycle lanes, the apparent width of the lane for motor vehicles is reduced, thus reducing speeds. In much the same way that removing the centre line creates uncertainty, and can lead to reduced vehicle speeds.</p> <p>But I fear it might just be a case of 'bloody cyclists' in the way slowing traffic down! </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=14214#post-177708 Tue, 13 Jan 2015 19:29:45 +0000 holisticglint 177708@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>... or the police could prosecute people who break the law, or is that too radical ? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=14214#post-177692 Tue, 13 Jan 2015 17:08:27 +0000 steveo 177692@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Yeah, I really hate being used as a rolling road block... </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=14214#post-177685 Tue, 13 Jan 2015 16:53:21 +0000 tk 177685@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>From Councillor Maureen Childs email with an faq on the 20mph limits</p> <p>Myth 7: The city will be covered in speed humps</p> <p>The new limit will be introduced without traffic calming measures. However, if monitoring finds speeds remain significantly above 20mph on certain streets despite signage and public awareness of the limit, we will consider speed reducing measures on the roads concerned. On residential streets this is likely to mean road humps, on main roads other methods would be deployed, for example road markings (e.g. cycle lanes) or central islands which tend to reduce speeds by reducing the apparent width of road </p>