http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ CityCyclingEdinburgh Forum » Topic: "Tram fall cyclists to sue ‘negligent’ council" en Mon, 18 May 2026 07:47:11 +0000 http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=14264&page=9#post-201295 Wed, 07 Oct 2015 18:29:45 +0000 sallyhinch 201295@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@Fimm - I look forward to seeing what you come up with ... </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=14264&page=9#post-201276 Wed, 07 Oct 2015 16:24:49 +0000 fimm 201276@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Sorry, the Munros comment was probably a bit too silly for a serious thread.<br /> (On the subject of access to the hills, in Scotland we have some really excellent legislation and much more freedom than in England and Wales to go where we want. There are organisations (like the Mountaineering Council of Scotland) who campaign in this area and through whom I can make my views known if I want. For "We Walk, We Cycle, We Vote" I think something more urban (and involving me in normal clothes on my Brompton) is required!) </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=14264&page=9#post-201269 Wed, 07 Oct 2015 16:06:15 +0000 sallyhinch 201269@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@Fimm - it is walking too, and if there's something that you want the Scottish government to do to make Munros more accessible then go for it. </p> <p>(Extreme down hill bromptoning can be quite fine but I've only ever done it on tarmac) </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=14264&page=9#post-201183 Wed, 07 Oct 2015 12:23:41 +0000 Chug 201183@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@fimm I wouldn't take it to heart. They don't <em>want</em> to understand - they are just looking for a reaction. The more reaction they get, the more empowered they feel. This is probably to fill some sort of vacuum that exists in their lives.<br /> If I ever read the comments (which is not often), the most pervading sense I get is one of fear; fear of change, fear of people who do something different to themselves, and fear of being shifted from their car seats, which they have invested a lot of money and emotion in acquiring. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=14264&page=9#post-201177 Wed, 07 Oct 2015 11:44:34 +0000 fimm 201177@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>More seriously, that line about cycling being a hobby is just bizarre. I mean, do they really think that all those people hauling bikes on and off trains, or cycling around at 7am or 10pm, are just out for a pootle? Is there no concept that we might be going somewhere? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=14264&page=9#post-201176 Wed, 07 Oct 2015 11:43:25 +0000 steveo 201176@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Only if you bromtom back down. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=14264&page=9#post-201175 Wed, 07 Oct 2015 11:41:59 +0000 fimm 201175@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I guess a photo of me on top of a Munro, with "I vote for..." isn't quite what you're after? ;-)<br /> (I mean, I did walk to get up there...) </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=14264&page=8#post-201174 Wed, 07 Oct 2015 11:38:39 +0000 sallyhinch 201174@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>We were actually thinking of doing something similar for 'We Walk, We Cycle, We Vote' - get people to photograph themselves in various places around Scotland (i.e. visibly not just in the Central belt) with signs saying 'I vote for ...' and then whatever they want. </p> <p>If any of you want to join in that would be brilliant, and hopefully it will all feed into POP next year as well (we could maybe mount a little exhibition?? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=14264&page=8#post-201173 Wed, 07 Oct 2015 11:33:56 +0000 unhurt 201173@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>That is a very nice advocacy idea indeed! </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=14264&page=8#post-201172 Wed, 07 Oct 2015 11:29:35 +0000 Wilmington's Cow 201172@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"<em>Don't tease us... do tell!</em>"</p> <p>It was a really simple thing that combatted the perception that only 'enthusiasts' wanted better cycling provision. So they set up a photobooth, the idea being that people could write things on supplied blank placards, and take their picture with their request. The only stipulation was they had to be positive, "More bike lanes please" rather than "There are too many cars". So they got families and commuters and racers and just everyone on the broad spectrum of cycling.</p> <p>They then took all of the pictures and produced a book of them, then sent a copy to all the local representatives (whatever their version of councillors and MPs is). Beautifully simple.</p> <p>Very PoP-esque in a way. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=14264&page=8#post-201165 Wed, 07 Oct 2015 11:03:02 +0000 Roibeard 201165@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@WC - <em>There was one idea they used in SB that I must look into for here.</em></p> <p>Don't tease us... do tell!</p> <p>Robert </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=14264&page=8#post-201163 Wed, 07 Oct 2015 10:29:48 +0000 Wilmington's Cow 201163@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Oh I'm well aware of him. Years back I used to engage, then realised life was waaaaaaaay to short. </p> <p>I do think a lot of people do still see bikes as a toy though.</p> <p>I was speaking to a Dutch friend the other day, whose other half was a councillor in Amsterdam and heavily involved in promotion of cycling. They spent the last couple of years in Santa Barbara, where he got involved in a cycling advocacy group, and the main comment they came across was, "Why do you want to ride a bike? Are you 6?".</p> <p>Though sounds like they started to have some real success (before they moved back to the 'dam a month or two back).</p> <p>There was one idea they used in SB that I must look into for here. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=14264&page=8#post-201160 Wed, 07 Oct 2015 10:09:15 +0000 neddie 201160@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Really Irritatingly [Un]Intelligent Chauvinist is a troll.</p> <p>He talks about cyclists 'playing' on their bikes and how it is a 'hobby'. This is just a lure to get you to react.</p> <p>Best not to react. Indifference is the opposite of love. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=14264&page=8#post-201139 Wed, 07 Oct 2015 08:49:51 +0000 Wilmington's Cow 201139@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>And a neat summary of the 'out grouping'. Cycling is a 'hobby'. Not a mode of transport or a gym substitute or a sport, but a 'hobby'. Does that mean that for everyone commuting to work in a car, that motorised transport is a 'hobby'? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=14264&page=8#post-201111 Tue, 06 Oct 2015 20:44:49 +0000 Stickman 201111@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"The simple fact is, with the exception of cyclists, cyclists are detested by everyone. Bus drivers, train conductors, motorists, pedestrians, lorry drivers, the lot. They really are a pain to everyone in the way in which they pursue their hobby and in a way that causes maximum inconvenience to everyone else."</p> <p>The EEN commenters views on cyclists nicely summarised in the very first comment I saw on that article. I didn't read any further. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=14264&page=8#post-201018 Tue, 06 Oct 2015 09:49:04 +0000 wingpig 201018@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><a href="http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/transport/cyclists-suing-council-for-1m-over-tram-track-falls-1-3908553" rel="nofollow">http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/transport/cyclists-suing-council-for-1m-over-tram-track-falls-1-3908553</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=14264&page=8#post-189684 Fri, 29 May 2015 13:43:20 +0000 Wilmington's Cow 189684@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>A comment oft-heard. I thought my dad was going to start off on one of those a few weeks back till he declared (after asking about the trams in Edinburgh) that people used to fall off constantly on the tracks in Newcastle. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=14264&page=8#post-189680 Fri, 29 May 2015 13:28:12 +0000 chdot 189680@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"</p> <p>Iain Taylor (@iwt_act)<br /> 28/05/2015 22:23<br /> Never had trouble cycling on tram tracks in 1950s Edinburgh.We're now dealing with a "blame &amp; claim"generation.Wimps! </p> <p><a href="http://pic.twitter.com/VqdWKBbX1k" rel="nofollow">http://pic.twitter.com/VqdWKBbX1k</a></p> <p>" </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=14264&page=8#post-189652 Fri, 29 May 2015 10:51:02 +0000 wingpig 189652@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>The colleague who occasionally passes comment on other cyclists' behaviour popped over to mention this news story yesterday, so there's now at least one local motorist out there who knows that the rails are not well-installed or accompanied by spring-loaded grippy panels and that motor vehicles can experience mishaps on them, too. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=14264&page=8#post-189646 Fri, 29 May 2015 10:32:54 +0000 Arellcat 189646@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Did the airwaves feel the wrath of CCEers?</p> <p>Coincidentally enough, at 9am I was in the traffic that was queued up at the foot of Morrison St because a bunch of coaches and buses had jammed the junction to Haymarket station. I'd been all set to safely rumble over the tracks, but after a second green light for Dalry and us going nowhere I decided I'd be quicker going that way instead. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=14264&page=8#post-189632 Fri, 29 May 2015 07:35:33 +0000 ARobComp 189632@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Anyone available to speak to that Kay show on BBC radio scotland at 9am for a cyclists perspective on the trams? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=14264&page=8#post-189560 Thu, 28 May 2015 12:39:53 +0000 chdot 189560@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"</p> <p>Georgie Keate (@georgiekeate)<br /> 28/05/2015 12:00<br /> Hi @CyclingEdin, could you retweet - looking for cyclists in Edinburgh who have had accidents on the city's tram lines.</p> <p>"</p> <p><a href="https://twitter.com/georgiekeate/status/603878629232246785" rel="nofollow">https://twitter.com/georgiekeate/status/603878629232246785</a></p> <p>"</p> <p>Reporter for The Times in Scotland. *All I think about are metaphors and cats* TS. Email: <a href="mailto:georgie.keate@thetimes.co.uk">georgie.keate@thetimes.co.uk</a>.</p> <p>" </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=14264&page=8#post-180099 Fri, 06 Feb 2015 12:44:48 +0000 miak 180099@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@chdot The vid you were asking about a week ago was me, but I'm avoiding letting press/TV use it as the trolling and threats just aren't worth it. Also they could use it under creative commons licence without asking me anyway, just that they like to generate their own web traffic by copying and re-posting. For the record I am still getting treatment for a shoulder injury from my wee surf and I am not one of the 60 seeking compensation. I think if people want the council to compensate them it would be worthwhile not using 'ambulance chasing' lawyers. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=14264&page=8#post-179905 Thu, 05 Feb 2015 00:53:25 +0000 Instography 179905@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I think you'll find the cyclists are too close to the bus and the van who were just going about their business. </p> <p>That BBC headline "Edinburgh tram lines throw cyclists off track" couldn't be more wrong. The tracks are the innocent party here. Horribly put upon by vindictive, incompetent cyclists. The tram tracks are like crocodiles - lying around, only being dangerous if you allow them to be. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=14264&page=8#post-179904 Thu, 05 Feb 2015 00:10:32 +0000 acsimpson 179904@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>The later van isn't much better.</p> <p>I'd forgotten how bad the first attempt at laying them was. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=14264&page=8#post-179883 Wed, 04 Feb 2015 21:45:06 +0000 Chug 179883@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Blimey that bus in the opening sequence is close. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=14264&page=8#post-179870 Wed, 04 Feb 2015 19:12:01 +0000 Wilmington's Cow 179870@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Over six years ago now, but chdot has the BBC stuff with me and Dave:</p> <p><a href="http://flic.kr/p/7mq4KB"><img src="https://farm3.staticflickr.com/2692/4169165837_5cfeb943ec.jpg"></a><a href="http://flic.kr/p/7mq4KB">BBC Report by -chdot-</a></p> <p>Though is Dangerous still about? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=14264&page=8#post-179457 Sat, 31 Jan 2015 13:59:31 +0000 Instography 179457@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>That's just a weird thing to say. It's not like I suggested that you couldn't or shouldn't post. I can neither grant nor deny permission to post, as I'm sure you know very well.</p> <p>You mean like a Cochrane Review? No I didn't undertake a systematic review. Jeez, who has time for that? I just had a look at your previous contributions to see what kind of topics you post on and whether the contributions here were characteristic. </p> <p>So there is no pass or fail, but I'll just note that you haven't yet explained what it is you hope to do with all the details of tram-related incidents you seek from people, which I continue to find suspicious particularly since your starting position is that the cyclists themselves are responsible. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=14264&page=8#post-179451 Sat, 31 Jan 2015 09:28:57 +0000 Dangerous 179451@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@Instography</p> <p>I asked you this previously and I have not seen your response. I now seem to have your permission to post.</p> <p>"I have, of course, reviewed both this thread and all of your posts."</p> <p>Not sure if you are serious ? Are you ? What were your criteria ? Did I pass ? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=14264&page=8#post-179347 Fri, 30 Jan 2015 02:42:08 +0000 Instography 179347@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>What's been happening with all the observations of westbound cyclists to see how they grant permission to the tram tracks to fling them off their bikes and under the wheels a nearby bus? I was hoping for some findings. </p>