http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ CityCyclingEdinburgh Forum » Topic: "Government steps in to fix planning shambles" en Fri, 22 May 2026 06:24:29 +0000 http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=14511#post-183730 Thu, 19 Mar 2015 17:43:19 +0000 wee folding bike 183730@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Our house is on a former ICI plant so it's very brown. Outwith the odd bit of wire or spoon we find in the garden it's not been a problem. </p> <p>In Cambuslang there is a Morrisons with chimneys in the car park to let ground contamination out.</p> <p>North Lanarkshire managed to change the designation of two bits of park so they could build schools on them. The plans had been under weigh for a while and I'd gone to meetings protesting about it but they went ahead anyway. </p> <p>Strangely in each case the demolished school left land near the railway station. There was expected to be a housing boom when the Airdrie - Bathgate line was restored but it doesn't seem to have happened. It might be that councillors felt that clearing land near the railway could have facilitated house building… but who knows? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=14511#post-183701 Thu, 19 Mar 2015 13:24:02 +0000 chdot 183701@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"</p> <p>Housebuilders have also been confirmed for sites on Niddrie Mains Road and Wauchope Terrace as well as a 7.7-acre site in the Greendykes area.</p> <p>"</p> <p><a href="http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/lidl-and-home-bargains-to-boost-craigmillar-1-3722372" rel="nofollow">http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/lidl-and-home-bargains-to-boost-craigmillar-1-3722372</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=14511#post-183276 Sat, 14 Mar 2015 19:04:00 +0000 chdot 183276@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>From link -</p> <p>"</p> <p>Green Belt: Review, Release and Boundaries<br /> 1. Modify Policy 12 to reads as follows:<br /> “Local Development Plans will define and maintain Green Belts around Edinburgh and to the south west of Dunfermline for the following purpose to:<br /> a. Maintain the identity and character of Edinburgh and Dunfermline and their neighbouring towns, and prevent coalescence, unless otherwise justified by the Local Development Plan settlement strategy;<br /> b. Direct planned growth to the most appropriate locations and support regeneration;<br /> c. Maintain the landscape setting of these settlements; and<br /> d. Provide opportunities for access to open space and the countryside.<br /> Local Development Plans will define Green Belt boundaries to conform to these purposes, ensuring that the strategic growth requirements of the Strategic Development Plan can be accommodated. Local development plans should define the types of development appropriate within Green Belts. Opportunities for contributing to the Central Scotland Green Network proposals should also be identified in these areas.”</p> <p>" </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=14511#post-183274 Sat, 14 Mar 2015 18:37:40 +0000 Morningsider 183274@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Hmm, who was it that required the Strategic Development Planning Authority (SDPA) to greatly increase the number of houses they had calculated as required in Edinburgh over the next 20 years ("the housebuilding target"). Would that be the Scottish Ministers? Why, yes!</p> <p>The same Scottish Ministers who told Edinburgh Council not to submit their Local Development Plan to them until regional supplementary guidance on housing was completed. This was only done on 28 October 2014 - so the Council has really only had a few months to decide where it can squeeze all these extra houses into the city. The planners achieved this, but the results aren't pretty and political wrangling has ensued as politicians try to save their seats (I know) by trying to prevent the over-development of their areas. </p> <p>Details: Ministerial letter: <a href="http://www.gov.scot/Resource/0042/00426410.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.gov.scot/Resource/0042/00426410.pdf</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=14511#post-183271 Sat, 14 Mar 2015 17:55:17 +0000 chdot 183271@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"</p> <p>A VITAL planning blueprint mired in a bitter political row is thousands of homes short of the city’s housebuilding target – raising fears that the “fatally flawed” four-year process might have to be restarted.</p> <p>"</p> <p><a href="http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/troubled-housing-plan-is-thousands-of-homes-short-1-3718877" rel="nofollow">http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/troubled-housing-plan-is-thousands-of-homes-short-1-3718877</a></p> <p>"city’s housebuilding target"</p> <p>Perhaps having targets by LA area isn't the best way to do things(?) </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=14511#post-183206 Fri, 13 Mar 2015 14:39:10 +0000 chdot 183206@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"</p> <p>PLMR Scotland (@PLMRScotland)<br /> 07/03/2015 16:09<br /> Policy debates close with @SarahBoyackMSP saying communities must be put in charge of Scotland's future #ScotLab15 </p> <p><a href="http://pic.twitter.com/4UApMvXqwx" rel="nofollow">http://pic.twitter.com/4UApMvXqwx</a></p> <p>"</p> <p>"</p> <p>Political Lobbying &amp; #Media Relations - @PLMRLtd #Scotland | Award winning #PR &amp; #PublicAffairs agency | Tweeting about #Scottish, #politics &amp; industry news.</p> <p>" </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=14511#post-183201 Fri, 13 Mar 2015 14:20:03 +0000 chdot 183201@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"Anyone who values local decision making and control should be worried about this."</p> <p>Indeed. </p> <p>Realistically nothing can be changed until after the Hollyrood election. </p> <p>BUT</p> <p>A lot needs to be done before then, if there is to be any chance of a change. It is <em>very possible</em> that the SNP will still be in power. It seems unlikely that those currently in the Scottish Government will want to change things significantly, however the significantly increased membership of the party may have other priorities. </p> <p>So anyone who has joined the party recently may wish to get involved at a local level. The SNP is keen on land reform so maybe there is a chance for some realignment of policies</p> <p>Clearly there will still be some form of the Labour Party to fight the next election, it seems unlikely that they will be majoring on land reform and planning issues.</p> <p>According to recent polls, the Greens can expect to have a reasonable number of seats at Holyrood next year. They are likely to be in favour of refining the planning system to take account of local wishes and general public interests.</p> <p>If 'the public' wants change on things like this, they will have to engage and lobby and campaign etc, just like some people do for cycling!</p> <p>Fortunately Holyrood doesn't suffer from vested-interest lobbying as much as Westminster, but clearly the developers are well-financed and organised. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=14511#post-183190 Fri, 13 Mar 2015 13:20:45 +0000 Morningsider 183190@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>The Edinburgh City Local Plan was adopted in 2010, meaning it is relatively up-to-date in planning terms. The Council are preparing its replacement, the Local Development Plan (LDP), which is pretty near adoption but has been held up by political wrangling. </p> <p>The EEN is simply parroting pro-developer propaganda. The call-in of six housing applications by Scottish Ministers was simply unprecedented. It has little to do with the status of Edinburgh's LDP, which is at a more advanced stage than that of many other authorities.</p> <p>It simply looks like a central government power grab. A central government with a very pro-developer agenda. They didn't call-in these applications to refuse them. They would have left that job to the Council, who would then take the flak.</p> <p>Anyone who values local decision making and control should be worried about this. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=14511#post-183189 Fri, 13 Mar 2015 12:52:57 +0000 chdot 183189@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Good find! </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=14511#post-183187 Fri, 13 Mar 2015 12:47:46 +0000 wingpig 183187@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I saw a council building-detail-level map of central urban brownfield sites a few years back. I think I found it via one of those urban-exploration thingbies.</p> <p>Aha: <a href="http://www.edinburgh.gov.uk/info/20194/development_activity_reports/1036/scottish_vacant_and_derelict_land_survey" rel="nofollow">http://www.edinburgh.gov.uk/info/20194/development_activity_reports/1036/scottish_vacant_and_derelict_land_survey</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=14511#post-183184 Fri, 13 Mar 2015 12:42:22 +0000 chdot 183184@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Interesting!</p> <p>I wonder how much 'brownfield' has had the right 'tag' added. </p> <p>Didn't know there was a brownfield tag!</p> <p>Useful thing that OSM, more people should use/add to it!... </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=14511#post-183177 Fri, 13 Mar 2015 12:35:15 +0000 chrisfl 183177@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>It is possible to get a list of brownfield sites in openstreetmap - <a href="http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/8ac">http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/8ac</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=14511#post-183156 Fri, 13 Mar 2015 10:49:07 +0000 kaputnik 183156@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>What is clear is that green bits on the boundary of Edinburgh are being built on while swathes of 'brownfield' - Waterfont/Granton/Newhaven remain undeveloped</em></p> <p>Is there an Edinburgh "brownfield" map of land inside the existing city boundaries ready for development?</p> <p><em>Related is the price/book value of land which may be 'too expensive' - until 'the market recovers' or is suitably 'cheap' because developers bought (or got options on it) years ago with hope/expectation that 'eventually' they would get planning permission.</em></p> <p>Hence the pressure by the likes of the David Murray lot and their accountants to delist low-value greenbelt farmland they bought 20 or 30 years ago with no (then) prospect of development and thereby "unlock the value" in it, i.e. cover it in expensive houses. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=14511#post-183154 Fri, 13 Mar 2015 10:38:24 +0000 chdot 183154@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>The whole business of planning and Planning and CEC's actions/decisions and unwillingness to refuse planning permission 'for fear of losing appeals by developers to SG' has been mentioned on CCE several times. 'Protection of the Greenbelt' is often part of the problem/controversy. </p> <p>This story has appeared on the ENews website this morning - about where CEC has tried and been overruled. </p> <p>I don't know if it involves 'failings by CEC', demonstrates 'too much centralised power excercised by central (Scottish) government or is a 'just' decision based on 'housing need' and 'presumption for development'. </p> <p>Or a combination. </p> <p>What is clear is that green bits on the boundary of Edinburgh are being built on while swathes of 'brownfield' - Waterfont/Granton/Newhaven remain undeveloped. </p> <p>All this relates to the planning process - which consults 'the public' widely on policies - and the difficulties of making the outcomes fit the policies. </p> <p>It's also about the fact that 'most' house buyers want a 'nice' house in a 'nice' setting. </p> <p>Related is the price/book value of land which may be 'too expensive' - until 'the market recovers' or is suitably 'cheap' because developers bought (or got options on it) years ago with hope/expectation that 'eventually' they would get planning permission. </p> <p>Land with planning permission is usually worth a LOT more than land without. High stakes and inevitable questions about 'public interest' which sometimes gets characterised as Nimbies v 'publicly elected politicians' having to 'balance all the issues within a legal framework'. </p> <p>"</p> <p>PARIS GOURTSOYANNIS</p> <p><a href="mailto:paris.gourtsoyannis@edinburghnews.com">paris.gourtsoyannis@edinburghnews.com</a></p> <p>08:20 Friday 13 March 2015</p> <p>The Scottish Government has overruled city planners to approve a major housing development after the council failed to agree on a blueprint for where new homes in Edinburgh should be built.</p> <p>Communities Secretary Alex Neil personally granted an appeal from developers wanting to build 173 homes on greenbelt land at the Edmonstone Estate, near Little France, despite the plans previously being rejected by councillors.</p> <p>The decision deepens the crisis around the city’s planning blueprint, with Scottish Government officials confirming Edinburgh no longer has a working Local Development Plan (LDP).</p> <p>Critics say the city now lies open to “planning by appeal”, with developers able to circumvent local decision-making by appealing to ministers, and called on planning convener Ian Perry to resign.</p> <p>" </p>