http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ CityCyclingEdinburgh Forum » Topic: "Edinburgh by numbers" en Fri, 22 May 2026 05:24:08 +0000 http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=14833#post-188944 Wed, 20 May 2015 11:35:39 +0000 acsimpson 188944@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I suspect the availability of direct transport links also makes a huge difference. It's easy to get to the city centre from most out of town locations but if you then need to get a further bus to your workplace it's likely that taking a car will be the most convenient option, especially if it can be left sitting all day for free. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=14833#post-188942 Wed, 20 May 2015 11:27:16 +0000 urchaidh 188942@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I suspect your observations are valid for the city centre but less so for Edinburgh as a whole - the availability of car parking is probably the biggest reason. </p> <p>My estimate (2/3 by car) was clearly a bit high, but whatever the real figure the council's 1/3 is still misleading (unless the real figure is also 1/3). </p> <p>I work in a small office in Leith, there are 11 of us which is hardly a significant statistical sample, but not far off the Edinburgh wide values for the resident/non-resident ratio (63% vs 70%) and the resident car/active ratio (40% vs 33%).</p> <p> Act Car<br /> Resident 5 2<br /> Non 1 3</p> <p>Only one of the four non-residents who works in our office uses public transport. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=14833#post-188935 Wed, 20 May 2015 10:38:51 +0000 crowriver 188935@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>In order to take a stab at the modal share for out-of-town commuters, I expect we'd need to look at the stats for other local authority areas: West, Mid and East Lothian; Fife; Lanarkshire; even Glasgow. </p> <p>I see hundreds of commuters coming into Edinburgh at Waverley in the morning from each train from Fife, and Glasgow.....cumulatively must be many thousands each day. That's just one station: I'm sure there are even more alighting at Haymarket. Then there are stations like Edinburgh Park, etc.</p> <p>I'm also aware many commuters use park'n'ride facilities. So part of their journey may involve a car, but it it's be left at Inverkeithing, Ingliston or elsewhere, where they board a train, bus or even a tram (plus a few hardy souls ride a bike)...</p> <p>I imagine the actual numbers driving right into Edinburgh are quite small: on this morning's anecdotal survey it would be total gridlock if the numbers were much higher than now. </p> <p>Oh and single occupant vehicles were 100% of motorised traffic I counted this morning on Easter Road just before 9am, save for one rather full double decker bus. The street was a full length traffic jam from the top end to well north of Albion Road. Insanity! </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=14833#post-188928 Wed, 20 May 2015 10:14:55 +0000 urchaidh 188928@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>From their figures:<br /> 70% of workers in the city live in the city,<br /> 30% of workers in the city don't.</p> <p>1/3 of *resident* workers use cars = 23% of all workers.</p> <p>If<br /> no non-resident workers use cars, total car use 23%<br /> all non-resident workers use cars, total car use 54%</p> <p>As you say, the true answer depends on the actual percentage so it's somewhere in between those values. My uneducated/random guess would be that 2/3 of non-resident workers commute by car, which would give us 44% percent of all commutes user cars. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=14833#post-188910 Wed, 20 May 2015 08:48:21 +0000 chdot 188910@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><a href="http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/edinburgh-getting-healthier-wealthier-and-wiser-1-3776748" rel="nofollow">http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/edinburgh-getting-healthier-wealthier-and-wiser-1-3776748</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=14833#post-188862 Tue, 19 May 2015 16:12:10 +0000 crowriver 188862@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"That's a bit misleading as resident workers only account for 70% of commutes..."</p> <p>What percentage of public transport users are residents? What percentage live outside the city?</p> <p>"Including people travelling into the city to work would bring the percentage car use for commuting up towards 50%."</p> <p>You can't say that for sure as it does not factor in public transport commuters from outwith the city boundaries.</p> <p>Judging by Waverley station pre-9am a LOT of commuters to Edinburgh come in by train. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=14833#post-188853 Tue, 19 May 2015 15:11:39 +0000 chdot 188853@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><img src="https://c1.staticflickr.com/9/8839/17671812838_b13fe42694.jpg"></p> <p><a href="https://twitter.com/edinburgh_cc/status/600632600047288320" rel="nofollow">https://twitter.com/edinburgh_cc/status/600632600047288320</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=14833#post-188829 Tue, 19 May 2015 12:14:13 +0000 urchaidh 188829@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>1 in 3 resident workers commute by car</em></p> <p>That's a bit misleading as resident workers only account for 70% of commutes...</p> <p><em>30% of Edinburgh workers live outside the city</em></p> <p>Including people travelling into the city to work would bring the percentage car use for commuting up towards 50%. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=14833#post-188816 Tue, 19 May 2015 11:14:57 +0000 kaputnik 188816@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@stickman<br /> Have to say I agree, from my anecdotal birdseye vewpoint of usually watching the London Road traffic heading into town from my first floor window as I have my morning coffee before leaving for work. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=14833#post-188814 Tue, 19 May 2015 11:14:09 +0000 crowriver 188814@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Indeed, my similarly unscientific surveys of Easter Road lead me to believe that the proportion of single occupancy cars during peak flow is close to 90%. </p> <p>Which is a completely ludicrous situation, leading to one long tailback right along the street. The side effects of such needless congestion are the same drivers making dodgy turns onto side streets and impatiently rat running through what ought to be quiet residential areas.</p> <p>Lemmings! Lemmings the lot of them! </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=14833#post-188811 Tue, 19 May 2015 11:08:31 +0000 Stickman 188811@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@crowriver:</p> <p>My highly unscientific observations when on the bike or on the bus would suggest that the Spokes counts understate single-occupancy car use. Certainly if looking at non-commercial vehicles. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=14833#post-188809 Tue, 19 May 2015 10:57:27 +0000 crowriver 188809@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"And how many of those are single occupants? "</p> <p>If the Spokes count is to be trusted (and why not?) single occupant cars make up between 70-80% of all motorised traffic during peak flow/"rush hour". </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=14833#post-188804 Tue, 19 May 2015 10:20:43 +0000 kaputnik 188804@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>1 in 3 resident workers commute by car. </em></p> <p>And how many of those are single occupants? Each bus takes ~85 single occupant cars off the road yet the council wants to water down bus lanes.</p> <p>Barking. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=14833#post-188795 Tue, 19 May 2015 09:31:41 +0000 steveo 188795@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>45% of the public speak louder than the rest, who just quietly get to work? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=14833#post-188792 Tue, 19 May 2015 09:26:24 +0000 crowriver 188792@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>So why exactly are the Council planning to compromise bus lanes? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=14833#post-188789 Tue, 19 May 2015 09:04:35 +0000 chdot 188789@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"</p> <p>KEY FACTS</p> <p>TRAVEL</p> <p>54% of city residents, who work or study in Edinburgh, commute on foot, by bike or by public transport.</p> <p>1 in 3 resident workers commute by car. That’s half the national rate (67%) recorded in ScotttiishHouusseehhooldldSSuurvrveeyy20210313</p> <p>7% of resident workers and students said they worked from home and another 7% had no fixed work location<br /> Source:: EdininbuurrgghhPPeeooppleleSSuurvrevyey20210414</p> <p>30% of Edinburgh workers live outside the city according to Transport Scotland analysis of Scottish Household Survey 2012</p> <p>"</p> <p><a href="http://www.edinburgh.gov.uk//download/downloads/id/5513/edinburgh_by_numbers_2015.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.edinburgh.gov.uk//download/downloads/id/5513/edinburgh_by_numbers_2015.pdf</a> (p28) </p>