http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ CityCyclingEdinburgh Forum » Topic: Pot Holes en Tue, 19 May 2026 04:12:28 +0000 http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=14924&page=2#post-205213 Mon, 23 Nov 2015 16:51:51 +0000 Baldcyclist 205213@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Reply from Fife council on my FOI come 'Enviromental' request which is pretty surprising.</p> <p>Firstly the road is not adopted, but is maintained by the Council. I don't know if that makes my case more difficult to pursue (I haven't claimed yet as was waiting for info).</p> <p>What I found astounding though is the following:<br /> "<br /> · Dates of all safety inspections undertaken on the carriageway in the two years preceding todays date (6th Oct 2015).</p> <p>No safety inspections are done on this stretch of road, if there is a problem normally the groundsman would report it to the area officer for this area</p> <p>· Details of all carriageway defects identified during safety inspections in the two years preceding todays date (6th Oct 2015)</p> <p>Pot holes on this road have been filled in the past 2 years</p> <p>· Details of how carriageway safety inspections are undertaken, including whether walked or driven, the speed of the inspection vehicle and the number of persons in the vehicle.</p> <p>No safety inspections are undertaken<br /> "</p> <p>I have now asked this in followup...</p> <p>"<br /> Can I just clarify that this stretch of road which is one of the main cycle routes in Fife (Route 76), and is also used by 1000's of pedestrians every year to access one of Scotland's busies beaches, and one of Fife's most prestigous tourist areas is not formally inspected for potentially dangerous defects?<br /> " </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=14924&page=2#post-204004 Sat, 07 Nov 2015 17:22:29 +0000 Edinburgh Cycle Training 204004@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Much empathy @kdstephen Hope you recover fully and quickly, and good luck with your claim</p> <p>I still have no recollection whatsoever of my crash. A complete loss of half an hour!</p> <p>Thankful for my helmet too. For doing its job so well, I'm replacing it! </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=14924&page=2#post-203991 Sat, 07 Nov 2015 10:12:55 +0000 Nelly 203991@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>kdstephen, thats a sore one, get well soon.</p> <p>I am trying to take it easy at the moment as the leaf sludge is covering all manner of potholes and an off might be disastrous for my (already knackered) hips.</p> <p>I think Bikeability Edinburgh had an 'off' in Holyrood Park the other day as well, but not sure if it was pothole or leaf sludge related? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=14924&page=2#post-203986 Sat, 07 Nov 2015 09:35:18 +0000 gembo 203986@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Ouch, kdstephen, hope the collarbone heals quickly, potholes, dark street, nightmare. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=14924&page=2#post-203978 Fri, 06 Nov 2015 23:44:43 +0000 LaidBack 203978@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Sorry to hear that kdstephen. Nasty injury and hope you make full recovery.</p> <p>That's a fast bit of road on a bike and you're right about some of the obstacles - join in surface in one place is a danger to narrow tyres.</p> <p>Let us know how your get on with claim. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=14924&page=2#post-203957 Fri, 06 Nov 2015 17:27:58 +0000 kdstephen 203957@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Came off my bike last night on Colinton Road (just down from Craiglockart Park Junc). Broken collarbone but other damage saved by helmet. I just could not see it in the dark. Going to claim. Watch out for those ones. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=14924&page=2#post-203925 Fri, 06 Nov 2015 14:52:36 +0000 Chug 203925@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Doesn't the answer <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Betteridge%27s_law_of_headlines">have</a> to be "no"? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=14924&page=2#post-203924 Fri, 06 Nov 2015 14:46:35 +0000 chdot 203924@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><a href="http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/transport/is-this-edinburgh-s-most-potholed-road-1-3939440" rel="nofollow">http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/transport/is-this-edinburgh-s-most-potholed-road-1-3939440</a></p> <p>I think the answer is no. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=14924&page=2#post-203830 Thu, 05 Nov 2015 15:26:56 +0000 Roibeard 203830@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@Baldcyclist - Ask for a review based on the original timings, and then shop them to the Information Commissioner.</p> <p><a href="http://www.itspublicknowledge.info/YourRights/Askingforareview.aspx" rel="nofollow">http://www.itspublicknowledge.info/YourRights/Askingforareview.aspx</a></p> <p>Robert </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=14924&page=2#post-203825 Thu, 05 Nov 2015 14:50:50 +0000 Arellcat 203825@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>in the turning line from Princes St to North Bridge</em></p> <p>For "bus wheels" read "excavator".</p> <p><em>they seem to have ignored the original (now) 23 days old request, and started afresh from today</em></p> <p>I thought that this was only allowed if clarification of the original request was needed before the request could be actioned. CEC should not be able to take 20 working days to decide whether or not to apply the Environmental Information criteria, and then start the clock ticking from that point on. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=14924&page=2#post-203823 Thu, 05 Nov 2015 14:35:49 +0000 Colonies_Chris 203823@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Yes, thers's nice new tarmac there, but there's a pothole just past it, in the turning line from Princes St to North Bridge. Clarenced. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=14924&page=2#post-203817 Thu, 05 Nov 2015 13:56:27 +0000 Baldcyclist 203817@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Indeed, but they seem to have ignored the original (now) 23 days old request, and started afresh from today. Time stamped todays date on the 'new' Environmental Information request. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=14924&page=2#post-203815 Thu, 05 Nov 2015 13:53:02 +0000 chdot 203815@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"another 20 days to wait"</p> <p>Perhaps not -</p> <p>"which allows us 20 working days from the date after receipt of your original request" </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=14924&page=2#post-203807 Thu, 05 Nov 2015 13:07:17 +0000 Baldcyclist 203807@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Emailed Council after they didn't respond to foi request, and they have fobbed me off with a 'technical exeption', another 20 days to wait..</p> <p>Have questioned them as looking at the exeption 'the enviroment' appears to be the natural one, and not physical, sigh.</p> <p>"The information you have requested is subject to the Environmental Information (Scotland) Regulations 2004, therefore, requires us under Freedom of Information Act 2002 to apply exemption S39 (2)(a) Health, Safety and the Environment, as the information is obliged by regulations under S62 to make available to the public in accordance with the regulation.</p> <p>We will continue to proceed with your request under the Environmental Information (Scotland) Regulations 2004, which allows us 20 working days from the date after receipt of your original request." </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=14924&page=2#post-203061 Thu, 29 Oct 2015 07:35:14 +0000 wingpig 203061@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>It stops just a bit too far east to completely replace the carved/rutted bit westbound in front of the Balmoral. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=14924&page=2#post-203056 Thu, 29 Oct 2015 00:25:02 +0000 chdot 203056@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Yesterday</p> <p><img src="https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/593/22542901902_c5dc59dd53.jpg"> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=14924&page=2#post-202824 Tue, 27 Oct 2015 14:14:18 +0000 threefromleith 202824@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Yep - from the top deck of the 22 bus pre-7am yesterday morning I saw a motorbike rider get the fright of his life as he dropped into the gouged-out area and then battered back up the other side, causing a big wobble.</p> <p>Imagine it'd be even worse to get the same nasty surprise on a bike. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=14924&page=2#post-202753 Mon, 26 Oct 2015 14:32:04 +0000 Edinburgh Cycle Training 202753@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Well, well, well.</p> <p>The multi potholed surface at the Princes/Leith St's/Waterloo/NB junction is now being repaired. </p> <p>Long overdue, but welcome nonetheless.</p> <p>Beware of the split level rough surface if you are heading over there in the dark the next week or so. Not all the bits under repair are roped off! </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=14924&page=2#post-202134 Fri, 16 Oct 2015 17:37:01 +0000 chdot 202134@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><a href="http://www.alexrowley.org/is-this-road-the-worst-in-fife" rel="nofollow">http://www.alexrowley.org/is-this-road-the-worst-in-fife</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=14924&page=2#post-201085 Tue, 06 Oct 2015 14:32:02 +0000 Baldcyclist 201085@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Fife Council is responsible for the upkeep. They are sending out a "third party" claim form.</p> <p>Today's rain allowed me to get a picture of the road as I encountered it on the night.</p> <p>The whole route isn't great tbh, as you descend a short but really steep tree lined hill which is always dark, dodging a lot of small pot holes, then meet a left bend which is the entrance to a car park, so you have to ensure there are no cars, and then have to negotiate the speed bump on the right hand side, and then you are on that section.</p> <p>All of that dodging, then car park, then speed bump in less than 5s, when you look forward again you are on this....</p> <p><img src="https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CQoxNtlUcAAVo8r.jpg:medium"></p> <p>This is the main Route 76 cycle route!</p> <p>The only other alternative route from Aberdour to Burntisland is over 'the hill' on the A921 which is full of blind corners. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=14924&page=2#post-201072 Tue, 06 Oct 2015 13:26:26 +0000 chdot 201072@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Have you established who owns road/responsible for upkeep? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=14924&page=2#post-201065 Tue, 06 Oct 2015 12:27:14 +0000 Baldcyclist 201065@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Silversands, Aberdour pothole was made safe 'as an emergency' this morning, after my prodding the Council to see what was happening on Friday. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=14924&page=2#post-200500 Wed, 30 Sep 2015 23:58:09 +0000 acsimpson 200500@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Ouch, that certainly takes the fun out of riding through puddles. I hope the mental picture of your forks heals in time for you to be pronounced fit to ride again.</p> <p>Snowy, I'm quite suprised to see Maybury road listed as one of the worst in 2012-13. It may have the occasional pothole but is far from the worst in the area, nevermind the city. Maybury Drive was awful at the time though so I wonder if it was a typo. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=14924&page=2#post-200499 Wed, 30 Sep 2015 23:41:03 +0000 Snowy 200499@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Hope you're feeling a bit better. My non-legal view is that your claim should be for reinstatement of everything damaged to its prior condition whether through repair or replacement. Well, apart from your skin, of course.</p> <p>Randomly found <a href="https://www.edinburgh.gov.uk/site/custom_scripts/proxy.php?file=/documents/8565/EDIR%208565%20Response.pdf">this</a> on the CEC site. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=14924#post-200477 Wed, 30 Sep 2015 17:44:23 +0000 Baldcyclist 200477@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Ouch! </p> <p>On a new for damaged basis, parts + labour + wheel build costs (but not including spokes or nipples, or hubs):</p> <p>£503.29</p> <p>That doesn't include other items, watch, helmet etc.</p> <p>I think I'm becoming more inclined to get cycle insurance, as this is probably going to hurt financially as much as anything else. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=14924#post-200447 Wed, 30 Sep 2015 16:15:01 +0000 Wilmington's Cow 200447@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"<em>(what is it about lawyers (in general) and time taken to communicate things to people (no offence to lawyers / solicitors on this forum), just reply to emails...)</em>"</p> <p>Workload/caseload primarily. And for a practice such as that might be a lot of time spent in court and away from a computer to answer properly. Though if it gets daft just prod.</p> <p>There's a corollary for lawyers that all clients seem to think you're only doing work for them and you're just sitting by the phone and computer waiting for a message to come in from them to spring into action ;)</p> <p>I'd say definitely worth sticking to your guns, and absolutely 100% should be detailing <em>everything</em> on the claim. As others have mentioned, there really does seem to be a difference between cars and bikes when it comes to insurance (as I know from my own fights after having a couple of bikes nicked). </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=14924#post-200443 Wed, 30 Sep 2015 16:01:34 +0000 Baldcyclist 200443@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Cheers for advice, I'll make sure replacement for cosmetic damage is included in quote. My apple watch is also scratched and is on the list along with the base layer that had to be cut off me, and my helmet which is scraped (it didn't save my life ;) ).</p> <p>I did speak to Cycle Law Scotland on the telephone the other day and sent them some images by email at their request, but I'm not sure if they are taking the case on or not. They didn't sound overly optimistic about getting a result, and I've not had a reply from the email I sent (what is it about lawyers (in general) and time taken to communicate things to people (no offence to lawyers / solicitors on this forum), just reply to emails...).</p> <p>I'm not sure that local councillor can help other than to get it fixed, they're not going to help with anything which could be financially detrimental to their employer.</p> <p>I've been searching the internet to see how long the pot hole has been there, but the clearest video is from about 6 weeks ago that shows it was there then. I've not found anything older. Some 2013 videos show road starting to break down but no pot hole.</p> <p>If anyone has go pro footage of a ride to Silver sands in the last year or so that shows any pot holes then I'd be much obliged if you could pass location of video on.</p> <p>Thanks. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=14924#post-200435 Wed, 30 Sep 2015 15:37:21 +0000 acsimpson 200435@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I'd agree with panyagua,</p> <p>Whether the damage is cosmetic or functional if it's worth a claim then include it all. The more accurately claims reflect the actual damage the more damage to bikes will be taken seriously.</p> <p>If it was an off the shelf bike then I suspect it would be a write off but with a custom build such as yours the write off value will (I guess) always be more than the replacement of individual components. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=14924#post-200434 Wed, 30 Sep 2015 15:36:08 +0000 DaveC 200434@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Get on to your local councillor if you are not completley happy. Even if its not an adopted road, they may be able to assist with who to sue for damages in the small claims court. Get well soon, and get back on a bike soon as keeping joints moving helps with rehabilitation believe it or not! </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=14924#post-200428 Wed, 30 Sep 2015 14:32:43 +0000 panyagua 200428@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@baldcyclist</p> <p>Sorry to hear that you're still in some pain, and the bike is very much *not* OK. It just goes to show how much damage can be done by 'just' a pothole, especially if it's rendered invisible.</p> <p>In the car world, it might well have been a 'write off' situation. Shifters in particular are not cheap, and all the other components will add up to quite a tidy sum, which may approach the potential re-sale value of the bike. You're right to include everything though - as you say, if it were a damaged car, you and the insurance company would expect a full repair, cosmetic damage or not. So yes, why not claim for a new saddle. I don't suppose they'll want the old one back ;) </p>