http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ CityCyclingEdinburgh Forum » Topic: Holyrood Park - cycle and pedestrian access en Tue, 19 May 2026 11:28:48 +0000 http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=14953&page=3#post-323610 Sat, 29 Feb 2020 10:51:30 +0000 chdot 323610@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I think this is relevant here</p> <p><a href="https://www.historicenvironment.scot/about-us/news/new-plan-steps-up-heritage-response-to-climate-crisis/" rel="nofollow">https://www.historicenvironment.scot/about-us/news/new-plan-steps-up-heritage-response-to-climate-crisis/</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=14953&page=3#post-260780 Sun, 17 Sep 2017 17:21:04 +0000 drnoble 260780@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><blockquote>"But it is officially 20mph now?"</blockquote></p> <p>Well there are signs up with 20 limits throughout, so obviously cars MUST NOT drop below 20mph and MUST overtake anyone on a bike cycling at that speed… that's how speed limits work isn't it? :p </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=14953&page=3#post-260767 Sun, 17 Sep 2017 14:32:52 +0000 chdot 260767@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>But it is officially 20mph now?</p> <p>I avoid cycling through HP almost always. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=14953&page=3#post-260766 Sun, 17 Sep 2017 14:22:54 +0000 crowriver 260766@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>There's no enforcement of the long standing ban on commercial vehicles, so why expect enforcement of 20mph? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=14953&page=3#post-260764 Sun, 17 Sep 2017 14:08:43 +0000 chdot 260764@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"</p> <p>I can confirm that it is Historic Environment Scotland's intention to reduce the Park road speed limit in its entirety.</p> <p>Further Park road sections, Holyrood Gait to Holyrood Park Road and the Duddingston Low Road will reduce to 20mph with effect from the 28th February 2017 to mirror City of Edinburgh's 20mph project phase 3.</p> <p>"</p> <p>Did this happen?</p> <p>Posts on other threads suggest not.</p> <p>Or is it just that there is no enforcement? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=14953&page=3#post-242958 Thu, 16 Feb 2017 14:44:33 +0000 crowriver 242958@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>This is good news. Next HES need to invest in better pedestrian/cycling infrastructure for the park. It's ridiculously hazardous trying to cross any of the roads in Holyrood Park. More crossings are required, and better continuous paths too: not ones that stop or cross the road randomly without any safer way to cross. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=14953&page=3#post-242935 Thu, 16 Feb 2017 11:52:43 +0000 c30c60 242935@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I believe the decision to adopt 20mph at the same time as the surrounding roads was taken a while back - honestly can't remember how I know that. I know nuthin' about the planning or enforcement aspects. </p> <p>But as a regular scaredy-cat cyclist in the Park, I'm hopeful it'll take some of the drama out of cycling down Queen's Drive. My nerves can't stand those high-speed overtakes. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=14953&page=3#post-242931 Thu, 16 Feb 2017 11:17:58 +0000 chdot 242931@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@ c30c60</p> <p>That's good/interesting </p> <p>"</p> <p>to mirror City of Edinburgh's 20mph project phase 3.</p> <p>"</p> <p>So, 'planned all along without consulting/telling anyone'?</p> <p>'Last minute, back of envelope, planning'?</p> <p>Will be enforced by? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=14953&page=3#post-242929 Thu, 16 Feb 2017 10:56:10 +0000 c30c60 242929@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>From Martin Gray, Ranger &amp; Visitor Services Manager for the Park, in response to an enquiry about the implementation of 20mph zones:</p> <p>I can confirm that it is Historic Environment Scotland's intention to reduce the Park road speed limit in its entirety.</p> <p>Further Park road sections, Holyrood Gait to Holyrood Park Road and the Duddingston Low Road will reduce to 20mph with effect from the 28th February 2017 to mirror City of Edinburgh's 20mph project phase 3.</p> <p>I am currently in discussions with City of Edinburgh colleagues responsible for the 20mph implementation. These discussions include changes to Council signage at entrances to the Park to ensure that they are legally compliant. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=14953&page=3#post-221853 Thu, 02 Jun 2016 16:00:24 +0000 Morningsider 221853@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>MB - no need to feel bad. The high road had been closed all day - there were road work signs up and it looks like grass cutting had been taking place. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=14953&page=3#post-221850 Thu, 02 Jun 2016 15:47:46 +0000 Murun Buchstansangur 221850@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>So last night my evening ride fetched up at Holyrood Park, where I fancied a lap. I was surprised to find the vehicle barriers across the High Road, but seeing plenty of pedestrians around, decided to chance it anyway. The climb without the intrusion of vehicles was peaceful. The many pedestrians felt free to spill off the narrow strip of path they're normally allocated, kids were playing in the road. On cresting the final rise above Pollock, the sunset over the Old Town skyline was glorious.</p> <p>It was only when I got home that I learnt of the sad reason for the road closure. In my defence, there were no police signs at St Margaret's Loch, and the emergency services had all long since departed the scene.</p> <p>But - surely it shouldn't take a tragedy for the roads to be closed to vehicles during daylight hours, part of the time at the very least? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=14953&page=3#post-205669 Tue, 01 Dec 2015 04:10:36 +0000 Tulyar 205669@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>You can get an app for your android/iphone to track a vehicle and get a reckoning on the speed it is travelling at. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=14953&page=3#post-205591 Sun, 29 Nov 2015 06:06:08 +0000 gkgk 205591@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@WC re cheap speed camera, just measure out a 1/4 mile and set up your deckchair / p&amp;s camera over the field or up on the slopes. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=14953&page=3#post-205505 Fri, 27 Nov 2015 13:30:29 +0000 LaidBack 205505@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I took a tour round by it yesterday. Kim back marked our group on road sections. Fairly obvious that accessing roads on a bike is considered 'antisocial' by the majority of road users. Paths though are not easy to access. Shot here taken as we got off road early to avoid any potential conflict. It is a park but I rate it as about as friendly as Princes Street from a cycling point of view.</p> <p><a href="https://flic.kr/p/BxNNGe"><img src="https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5656/23332430485_0d44f3702f.jpg"></a><a href="https://flic.kr/p/BxNNGe">7 mile Holyrood Circuit</a> by <a href="https://www.flickr.com/photos/66067108@N08/">LaidBackBikes</a>, on Flickr<br /> <a href="https://flic.kr/p/AYTbPK"><img src="https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5652/22959841009_9940185440.jpg"></a><a href="https://flic.kr/p/AYTbPK">7 mile Holyrood Circuit</a> by <a href="https://www.flickr.com/photos/66067108@N08/">LaidBackBikes</a>, on Flickr </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=14953&page=3#post-205500 Fri, 27 Nov 2015 13:14:09 +0000 c30c60 205500@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Historic Scotland/Historic Environment Scotland is consulting on its Corporate Plan for 2016-2019. The draft includes:</p> <p>a. We will encourage engagement with, participation in and enjoyment of the historic environment and increase the diversity of people accessing it<br /> • reducing the barriers to access to the properties and collections that we care for and the services that we provide</p> <p>More here: <a href="http://www.historic-scotland.gov.uk/hesconsult" rel="nofollow">http://www.historic-scotland.gov.uk/hesconsult</a> and <a href="https://youtu.be/EzFYB_SVevc" rel="nofollow">https://youtu.be/EzFYB_SVevc</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=14953&page=3#post-205497 Fri, 27 Nov 2015 12:57:17 +0000 gibbo 205497@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>The problem with the park - at least the section from Meadowbank Terr to Holyrood Park Road, and to Duddingston Village - is that it is, first and foremost, a 30mph road.</p> <p>That's its primary function.</p> <p>And, as long as cars (and commercial vehicles, of course) are the #1 priority, the park will remain as it is. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=14953&page=3#post-205494 Fri, 27 Nov 2015 11:26:45 +0000 kaputnik 205494@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>A spokeswoman told BBC Scotland: "We welcome the city's decision to implement a 20mph speed limit and are planning a review of our existing traffic management plan, including the current speed limit and opportunities to maintain safe access for all park users.</em></p> <p>Spokesperson states they want to "maintain safe access for all" when the point of the article is that it's not currently safe enough and needs to be improved.</p> <p>Classic doublespeaksperson soundbite that simultaneously makes it sound like they intend to do something (not now, but soon) and commit themselves simultaneously to maintaining the status quo. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=14953&page=2#post-205490 Fri, 27 Nov 2015 09:59:30 +0000 paulmilne 205490@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I think it's time for Historic Scotland, CEC and Police Scotland to do the right thing and close the park to motorised traffic full stop. Make the carriageway for cyclists and mobility vehicles only. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=14953&page=2#post-205489 Fri, 27 Nov 2015 09:52:52 +0000 c30c60 205489@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>On the BBC website: Calls for Edinburgh's Holyrood Park road safety action<br /> <a href="http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-edinburgh-east-fife-34935616" rel="nofollow">http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-edinburgh-east-fife-34935616</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=14953&page=2#post-202725 Mon, 26 Oct 2015 10:27:40 +0000 wingpig 202725@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I had sort of assumed these plastic mesh barriers around the hill-side of the lower Pollock roundabout were to prevent people walking across the desire lines so that the grass could re-grow.</p> <p>Instead, though it's not particularly obvious as I was so surprised I didn't stop until I was around the roundabout, BEHOLD A PATH:</p> <p><a href="https://flic.kr/p/Ah4tWD"><img src="https://farm1.staticflickr.com/631/22497873381_50f1a9d277_n.jpg"></a><a href="https://flic.kr/p/Ah4tWD">IMG_20151026_082921679</a> by <a href="https://www.flickr.com/photos/wingpig/">wingpig</a>, on Flickr</p> <p>Still no pedestrian crossing, but a small bone for pedestrians to scrabbly over and gnaw on. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=14953&page=2#post-201660 Mon, 12 Oct 2015 08:47:47 +0000 c30c60 201660@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>At the Parliament roundabout this morning, I passed a cyclist who was being attended to by ambulance crew. He was sitting up, and I’m hopeful it wasn’t too bad. I didn’t see what happened. Rotten start to the day for him. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=14953&page=2#post-199903 Fri, 25 Sep 2015 13:17:46 +0000 crowriver 199903@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><img src="https://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/duty_calls.png"> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=14953&page=2#post-199898 Fri, 25 Sep 2015 12:32:44 +0000 Stickman 199898@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>yes, it's an exercise in futility - I don't know why they bother. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=14953&page=2#post-199894 Fri, 25 Sep 2015 11:28:03 +0000 acsimpson 199894@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>If I thought they were worth it I would register but there's no point arguing against someone who thinks the best solution to speeding cars is to ban people from walking. I admire those who take the time to point out to the ignorance in the posts. Hopefully someone reading the article will learn something from them. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=14953&page=2#post-199893 Fri, 25 Sep 2015 11:19:00 +0000 Stickman 199893@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>It's the EEN. </p> <p>It's impossible to win. </p> <p>The same people will pop up at the next article to make exactly the same ignorant anti-cycling comments. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=14953&page=2#post-199892 Fri, 25 Sep 2015 10:54:31 +0000 paulmilne 199892@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>They have. Actually, I think the cyclists are winning this comment stream. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=14953&page=2#post-199891 Fri, 25 Sep 2015 10:45:16 +0000 acsimpson 199891@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"Surprised to see that nobody has yet mentioned the cyclists who use the park as the Hollyrood Velodrome...... clad head to toe in lycra, on their super light weight racing bikes with skinny wee racing tyres - pretty sure these wannabe Olympians are also guilty of exceeding the 20mph speed limit in the park - not that they'll ever admit to that or take any responsibility for it mind you..... <strong>after all, the laws don't apply to them</strong>..... Do they?!"</p> <p>Some one needs to tell this one that no they don't apply. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=14953&page=2#post-199890 Fri, 25 Sep 2015 10:37:18 +0000 Wilmington's Cow 199890@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"<em>Isn't he your councillor too?</em></p> <p>Don't think so. We sneak into Craigmillar/Porty ward by three houses. But I was still pondering asking if he'd been misquoted (as well as pointing out he's simply wrong). As you say, there's no harm in pestering about it! </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=14953&page=2#post-199889 Fri, 25 Sep 2015 10:25:01 +0000 crowriver 199889@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"'surely he can't be defending that as okay'. Maybe he is..."</p> <p>Worth taking him to task on it? Isn't he your councillor too? :-)</p> <p>While I live close to Holyrood Park, it's not in my ward. Might pester a councillor about it though: where's the harm? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=14953&page=2#post-199888 Fri, 25 Sep 2015 10:09:19 +0000 Wilmington's Cow 199888@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"<em>Slightly more than 50%??</em>"</p> <p>That's what I initially thought, then figured 'surely he can't be defending that as okay'. Maybe he is... </p>