http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ CityCyclingEdinburgh Forum » Topic: First day of schools back and... en Wed, 13 May 2026 02:42:19 +0000 http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=15301#post-196133 Mon, 17 Aug 2015 13:07:40 +0000 PS 196133@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>rather expecting drivers to bully their way through like here.</em></p> <p>I don't think it's so much bullying as drivers not thinking to check their left wing mirror to confirm there isn't a cyclist coming up. One of the many built-in issues of gutter-situated cyclelanes - if cyclelanes were segregated, there would be a much greater subliminal imperative to check for traffic on it before crossing. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=15301#post-196131 Mon, 17 Aug 2015 13:05:05 +0000 Roibeard 196131@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Of course, in practice, I also won't pass a driver indicating left on the nearside, which caused chaos in Denmark... Drivers would still overtake us (because they don't think ahead any more than UK drivers do), indicate right, then politely wait for us to pass. Confused us no end until we got used to it!</p> <p>Despite the Highway Code, I'm not foolhardy enough to expect others to follow it here, where might is right!</p> <p>Robert </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=15301#post-196130 Mon, 17 Aug 2015 13:02:16 +0000 Roibeard 196130@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Regarding drivers crossing cycle lanes to turn left, this is already described in the <a href="https://www.gov.uk/using-the-road-159-to-203/road-junctions-170-to-183">Highway Code</a>:</p> <p><em>Turning Left</em><br /> <em>183</em><br /> <em>When turning</em></p> <p><em>keep as close to the left as is safe and practicable<br /> give way to any vehicles using a bus lane, cycle lane or tramway from either direction.</em></p> <p>This is what happens in civilised countries to our south and east, however I confess to being quite surprised by it in practice, rather expecting drivers to bully their way through like here.</p> <p>Indeed it's quite surprising (and no doubt would be a shock to most drivers) to discover that we should already give way.</p> <p>Probably as much of a shock as discovering that pedestrians crossing the side road also have priority over drivers turning in (rule 170)...</p> <p>Robert </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=15301#post-196118 Mon, 17 Aug 2015 11:59:03 +0000 urchaidh 196118@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>It was our two's fist day of school so I found myself lurking outside the school for a bit - new experience for me. Street was definitely quieter than usual school morning - combination of it being first day back and the good weather I guess, and the PC/parking attendant lurking at the end of the road may have helped. Certainly far fewer school gate hazards-on-drop-off manoeuvres in evidence. Will no doubt be back to normal chaos levels by the end of the week.</p> <p>School streets starts in a bit over a month - looking forward to seeing what difference that will make. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=15301#post-196109 Mon, 17 Aug 2015 11:20:51 +0000 gembo 196109@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@mgj</p> <p>My etiquette as a cyclist is not to go up the inside of cars as the traffic moves off. I do undertake in a stationary queue.</p> <p>When necessary I brake and wave my arm in a forward can you please go first manner to the driver as they are often expecting an undertake.</p> <p>cyclist going straight on whilst undertaking where a car is then turning left is a very bad piece of etiquette on the part of the cyclist. OK if in friont of the cars etc</p> <p>being undertaken by another cyclist is also pants </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=15301#post-196105 Mon, 17 Aug 2015 11:10:20 +0000 Wilmington's Cow 196105@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"@Wilmington's cow; what is the etiquette as a driver when that happens?"</p> <p>Not sure. My own personal view is simple, if you're undertaking (which I do do, and certainly do where there's a cycle lane, like you say, designing in conflict) and the traffic is either moving, or clearly about to move (as anyone who is paying attention should be able to determine) and a vehicle ahead is indicating to turn, I'll hang back and not undertake.</p> <p>If I've juuuust reached their rearside three quarter as they start moving, I'll still defer, brake, and drop back.</p> <p>Today's was just people scooting up insides where I knew the road ahead narrowed, or looking ahead the positioning of the traffic just meant staying in the flow was (in my opinion solely) safer... </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=15301#post-196103 Mon, 17 Aug 2015 11:06:17 +0000 mgj 196103@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@Wilmington's cow; what is the etiquette as a driver when that happens? I was stopped at the end of the Meadows at red light and was first in line (driving today for tedious reasons, and jealous of those on two wheels), lights changed and I set off but on checking near-side mirror, I saw that a cyclist appeared to be about to undertake me in the cycle lane just as I was turning. I hesitated, and so did they, and there was no collision, but this reminded me once more of how conflict is designed into our cycling infrastructure. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=15301#post-196101 Mon, 17 Aug 2015 11:05:12 +0000 ARobComp 196101@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Cycled past roseburn primary this morning at 8am and there were no kids there yet. Assuming that breakfast clubs don't start again until tomorrow. There are usually a few parents and kids knocking around by then. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=15301#post-196099 Mon, 17 Aug 2015 10:59:56 +0000 Dave 196099@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Yeah, I rode a roundabout way to work this morning and was retrospectively surprised by how quiet it was (I only realised the schools were back when I rode through the Barnton gap). </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=15301#post-196094 Mon, 17 Aug 2015 10:56:06 +0000 PS 196094@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>The city centre seemed really quiet at 8.15 this morning. Maybe all the cars were clustered around suburban schools at that point? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=15301#post-196083 Mon, 17 Aug 2015 10:12:19 +0000 Wilmington's Cow 196083@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Worst thing this morning was a strangely high number of other cyclists who seemed determined to ride up the inside of the traffic just as it started to move again. There are times and places, and at each one I just thought "Erm... No..."</p> <p>Though in fairness I passed another cyclist too close today - hadn't anticipated his rightwards wobble. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=15301#post-196080 Mon, 17 Aug 2015 10:04:57 +0000 kaputnik 196080@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>One hurried drop-off from car spotted at Abbeyhill School in the middle of the road while lights were at red. Apart from that not a huge noticable difference, but I think it's so bad just now with Festival traffic that I wouldn't notice another influx of stressed, angry, inconsiderate motorists on the road because there's nowhere for them to go but at the back of the existing queues. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=15301#post-196075 Mon, 17 Aug 2015 09:34:41 +0000 gembo 196075@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I was up early this moring as had forgotten to put the bins out last night. My shift in the morning involves making two breakfasts, four lunches and paying for a fifth lunch. I did not think I got through this so quickly but was out by about 7.50a.m. - WoL path had many dog walkers but we were all nicely, nicely with each other. Canal towpath had two small groups of bright as buttons P1s going to school early. Had forgotten about this specific user group over the summer (schoolkids I mean). When Boroughmuir opens for business I think Harrison Gardens might be the place to come off or maybe the bit where they have knocked down the wall. Two stairwells and a bit of the lower floor have appeared. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=15301#post-196071 Mon, 17 Aug 2015 08:51:01 +0000 Wilmington's Cow 196071@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Definitely more 'people', but I can't say I saw a noticeably big jump in traffic. More impatience than normal, which is maybe post-drop-off rushing.</p> <p>I suspect it'll get worse again as the weather slips away from 'summer'. </p>