http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ CityCyclingEdinburgh Forum » Topic: Ferry Road assault on cyclist en Tue, 19 May 2026 22:47:42 +0000 http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=15495&page=2#post-283376 Fri, 25 May 2018 08:33:07 +0000 Frenchy 283376@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>AIUI other police services even allow you to upload video direct to them.</em></p> <p>Greater Manchester is one of them:</p> <p><a href="https://twitter.com/KatyHolliday/status/999629814997966849" rel="nofollow">https://twitter.com/KatyHolliday/status/999629814997966849</a></p> <p>"20 minutes between video upload and email to say a letter has been sent to the registered keeper!" </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=15495&page=2#post-283267 Thu, 24 May 2018 10:10:47 +0000 dougal 283267@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>AIUI other police services even allow you to upload video direct to them. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=15495&page=2#post-283266 Thu, 24 May 2018 10:05:45 +0000 ejstubbs 283266@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>what puzzles me here is that the usual response is that they can't check out yer usb stick cos of IT security policy and no we can't view it on youtube either, our systems aren't set up for this new-fangled internet thingy</em></p> <p>Police Scotland sent a couple of bobbies round to view some dashcam footage I had of a ned pulling wheelies on an unregistered trail bike through traffic on Craiglockhart Avenue. They didn't take a copy away but did ask me to hang on to it myself in case they needed it to support a possible prosecution. So it looks like they will use video taken by members of the public.</p> <p>I can understand why they might not want to plug someone else's USB stick in to one of their machines. They are a notorious vector for malware. The company I work for now, and the one before that, has disabled the use of USB ports by data devices (USB sticks, portable hard drives, even mobile phones) on all their machines, requiring senior management sign-off before a USB port could be enabled for a critical, one-time data exchange purpose.</p> <p>I can also very well believe that access to YouTube from their network is blocked as a matter of general policy. They would by no means be unique in that.</p> <p>I suspect that, though their interest might be piqued by footage posted on Youtube, they can't use it as it stands. They'd have to retrieve the original footage and gather robust information about how it was collected before it could be used as evidence. More likely, regarding an incident such as the Ferry Road assault, they would use any footage obtained to try to identify one or more of the culprits, and use that to progress their enquiries to the point where the PF would be prepared to take it to court.</p> <p>That's not to say that "technical reasons" <em>aren't</em> sometimes used as a cover for "can't be @rsed", of course. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=15495&page=2#post-283257 Thu, 24 May 2018 08:55:54 +0000 gibbo 283257@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@bax</p> <p>A few years ago, I made this point on CEC: </p> <p>If it was a murder and the only piece of evidence was filmed footage of the killer in the act, police would use it. Therefore, the argument that helmet cam footage doesn't can't up in court is nonsense.</p> <p>And, therefore, it was nothing more than an excuse to avoid enforcing laws that are intended to protect cyclists. </p> <p>After "operation close pass" was brought in, the police "suddenly realised" they could use footage to prosecute. </p> <p>And here we are with another concrete example of the police being willing to use helmet cam footage.</p> <p>Maybe someone should ask the police why they peddled these lies for so many years. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=15495&page=2#post-283245 Wed, 23 May 2018 17:15:31 +0000 minus six 283245@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>We are particularly interested in helmet cam or similar footage</em></p> <p>oh is that so</p> <p>what puzzles me here is that the usual response is that they can't check out yer usb stick cos of IT security policy and no we can't view it on youtube either, our systems aren't set up for this new-fangled internet thingy </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=15495&page=2#post-283241 Wed, 23 May 2018 14:57:22 +0000 dougal 283241@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>The police tweet above says "Ferry Road walkway" which I took to mean the NEPN, especially as they refer to cycle path users later. The BBC article just says Ferry Road. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=15495&page=2#post-283240 Wed, 23 May 2018 14:08:49 +0000 14Westfield 283240@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><a href="http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-edinburgh-east-fife-44212247" rel="nofollow">http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-edinburgh-east-fife-44212247</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=15495&page=2#post-283238 Wed, 23 May 2018 13:50:28 +0000 le_soigneur 283238@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Edinburgh Police North West tweeted<br /> ‏---<br /> May 22 : Police in Drylaw are appealing for witnesses to an assault which occurred about 5.30pm, Tuesday 8th May 2018. A cyclist on the Ferry Road walkway near to Ainslie Park Leisure Centre had items thrown at him and was pushed off his bike by a group of children.<br /> We are keen to speak with anyone who may have been in the area around this time or saw the group of children. We are particularly interested in helmet cam or similar footage and would ask cycle path users to check your footage and contact us if you were nearby at the time.<br /> The group was described as about 10 children, 14-16 years old, wearing black and grey hooded tops trying to conceal their identities. Anyone who may have infortion please contact us on 101, quoting incident number 3222, 08/05/2018 or report anonymously to @CrimestoppersUK </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=15495#post-200751 Fri, 02 Oct 2015 20:02:42 +0000 Nelly 200751@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@bax, that would be the incident where you first said you couldn't be bothered reporting it. </p> <p>Then you said you wouldn't report it "today" because you wanted to watch a monster mountain stage in The Vuelta??!! </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=15495#post-200747 Fri, 02 Oct 2015 18:42:01 +0000 Wilmington's Cow 200747@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>[leaving the thread] </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=15495#post-200736 Fri, 02 Oct 2015 16:08:00 +0000 minus six 200736@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>I dont see the point about getting all upset about hypothetical situations where people may or may not investigate made up crimes</em></p> <p>The situation I alluded to wasn't hypothetical or made up.</p> <p>On Sept 1st I was driven at and swerved into by a motorist. He then braked heavily in a bid to get me to crash into his rear end. When I swerved into the other lane to avoid that, he then swerved over to get me that way.</p> <p>I only stayed upright by having very quick bike-handling ability.</p> <p>A witness emerged who had taken a photo of the vehicle as they were horrified I had almost been run over by the motorist.</p> <p>The police have shown no interest in either speaking to the witness or identifying the driver.</p> <p>I would have felt less threatened by someone waving an iron bar about, because I'd have had more options. You can't disarm someone using a vehicle as a weapon, and its also harder to flee the situation.</p> <p>Yet the police would take one type of incident seriously, and ignore the other. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=15495#post-200732 Fri, 02 Oct 2015 16:05:46 +0000 Dave 200732@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>Unless someone can show me a case where a driver deliberately tried to hit a cyclist with their car...</em></p> <p>Nobody will be able to do this because that determination can only be made by the court (or jury), no? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=15495#post-200727 Fri, 02 Oct 2015 15:23:46 +0000 gibbo 200727@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@fountainbridge</p> <p><em>"Not sure if it's still the case but on the ramp down to West Granton access from the bridge the pedestrian and cycle sections are on different sides compared to the rest of the area."</em> </p> <p>Yep, still the case. Go down the ramp on the designated side, and you find yourself on the wrong side once you hit the flat. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=15495#post-200723 Fri, 02 Oct 2015 14:55:49 +0000 acsimpson 200723@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Yes, I suppose that the intent to injure is probably the difference here. A driver deliberately passing too close to a cyclist may think they are trying to persuade the cyclist they do not belong on the road but probably doesn't intend to injure them. In a similar way to a person carrying an iron bar in an intimidating fashion only strays into attempted assault when they start swinging it.</p> <p>The frustration which the law fails to recognise is that the driver has a greater risk of causing injury through negligence than the iron bar carrying thug.</p> <p>As you say getting the courts to provide appropriate sentencing is completely different matter to a police investigation. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=15495#post-200715 Fri, 02 Oct 2015 14:19:25 +0000 Wilmington's Cow 200715@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>p.s. I do think the majority of near misses are due to incompetence rather than malicious forethought and deliberate attempts to hit someone, so not really on point with the iron bar swinging. Not to say it isn't wrong, and the police definitely don't take those seriously, but it's not attempted assault without an intention to assault, and rather is dangerous driving etc (or should be seen as such). </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=15495#post-200714 Fri, 02 Oct 2015 14:15:02 +0000 Wilmington's Cow 200714@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"I think dougal and others point is that if the perpetrator had been driving and deliberately driven into the victim causing hospitalisation the police would likely have been less interested"</p> <p>If that's the case then, yes, I still think that opinion is wrong. Unless someone can show me a case where a driver deliberately tried to hit a cyclist with their car, did so, caused hospitalisation, and could be identified (noting we're talking about the police here, and not the courts then being lenient), and the police simply didn't bother to investigate. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=15495#post-200710 Fri, 02 Oct 2015 14:04:39 +0000 acsimpson 200710@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>"But (personally) I dont see the point about getting all upset about hypothetical situations where people may or may not investigate made up crimes !!"</em></p> <p>Indeed. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=15495#post-200706 Fri, 02 Oct 2015 13:50:20 +0000 Nelly 200706@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"I think dougal and others point is that if the perpetrator had been driving and deliberately driven into the victim causing hospitalisation the police would likely have been less interested"</p> <p>I am not sure that is what they are saying - most seem to be talking verbal abuse - and as WC notes, that is <em>not</em> the same thing.</p> <p>Your scenario is extremely rare and if it happened as you describe, said cyslist was hospitalised, and the police did not investigate, then I agree that would be scandalous.</p> <p>But (personally) I dont see the point about getting all upset about hypothetical situations where people may or may not investigate made up crimes !! </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=15495#post-200702 Fri, 02 Oct 2015 13:29:49 +0000 acsimpson 200702@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I have no doubt that if the pedestrian had committed the serious assault in another location he would still have been charged.</p> <p>I think dougal and others point is that if the perpetrator had been driving and deliberately driven into the victim causing hospitalisation the police would likely have been less interested. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=15495#post-200698 Fri, 02 Oct 2015 13:01:02 +0000 Nelly 200698@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"You've clearly never tried to report abuse from drivers"</p> <p>I am not reading that verbal abuse is the reported crime in this, rather it was a <em>serious assault</em>.</p> <p>My point earlier in the thread is that it is ridiculous to assert that the police would ignore an assault simply because someone was on the pavement and on a bike.</p> <p>To be honest, idiots in cars verbally (and physically) abuse other car drivers every day - and I imagine that a case of "He said, She said" between car drivers gets the same level of investigation (i.e. pretty much nowt) as a similar in a bike/car verbal altercation would. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=15495#post-200696 Fri, 02 Oct 2015 12:55:19 +0000 minus six 200696@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@mgj</p> <p>indeed, they will take being threatened with a weapon seriously</p> <p>but not if the weapon is a motor vehicle. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=15495#post-200695 Fri, 02 Oct 2015 12:49:27 +0000 mgj 200695@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Well Bax, all I can say is that when I was threatened on a cycle path by a dog walker with a chain, the police were very interested and came to the house with a set of mug shots (they knew who the nutter was, just I couldn't pick him out). </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=15495#post-200690 Fri, 02 Oct 2015 12:26:05 +0000 minus six 200690@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@wc</p> <p>testing your faith, out of interest - </p> <p>if someone angrily waved an iron bar at you repeatedly, while shouting abuse, but you managed to avoid being hit due only to your own quick thinking and agility</p> <p>would you expect the police to treat that as attempted assualt and give you a crime number while they attempt to track down the assailant?</p> <p>what if you had third party witnesses who were horrified and also took a photo of the would-be assailant?</p> <p>well i can tell you, they aren't interested in the slightest, if that weapon is a motor vehicle. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=15495#post-200680 Fri, 02 Oct 2015 12:10:57 +0000 Wilmington's Cow 200680@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>serious assault</em> generally does not equal <em>abuse</em> (in the form of being shouted at or beeped at by a driver).</p> <p>The case above involved facial injuries requiring hospital treatment. I suspect the police would treat <em>that</em> the same no matter where on the road it took place, no matter what transport choice of the victim etc etc. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=15495#post-200679 Fri, 02 Oct 2015 12:09:17 +0000 Min 200679@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Yes, geography has nothing to do with it. The cyclist must have been someone important, like a doctor or a judge. </p> <p>Glad they caught the guy at least. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=15495#post-200678 Fri, 02 Oct 2015 12:01:45 +0000 dougal 200678@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"Are you genuinely saying that the plod would ignore a serious assault based on geography??"</p> <p>You've clearly never tried to report abuse from drivers. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=15495#post-200671 Fri, 02 Oct 2015 11:17:32 +0000 chdot 200671@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><a href="http://road.cc/content/news/166571-man-charged-after-edinburgh-cyclist-seriously-assaulted" rel="nofollow">http://road.cc/content/news/166571-man-charged-after-edinburgh-cyclist-seriously-assaulted</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=15495#post-200120 Mon, 28 Sep 2015 20:21:43 +0000 crowriver 200120@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>At first glance, this would appear to be a conflict between cyclist and dog walker. A classic scenario we've all encountered on shared use paths. However does not normally end in serious assault! </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=15495#post-200114 Mon, 28 Sep 2015 18:43:19 +0000 Nelly 200114@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@CalumCookab"An implication that those not on marked cycle paths are "asking for it"."</p> <p>Are you genuinely saying that the plod would ignore a serious assault based on geography??</p> <p>That takes paranoia to a new level. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=15495#post-200113 Mon, 28 Sep 2015 18:41:15 +0000 SRD 200113@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Trying to avert the usual comments below the line? </p>