http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ CityCyclingEdinburgh Forum » Topic: "Edinburgh parking charges to soar by upto 33%" en Thu, 21 May 2026 15:08:00 +0000 http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=15560&page=4#post-267196 Tue, 21 Nov 2017 09:39:21 +0000 chdot 267196@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><a href="http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/transport/edinburgh-residents-face-65-hike-for-parking-permits-1-4618850" rel="nofollow">http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/transport/edinburgh-residents-face-65-hike-for-parking-permits-1-4618850</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=15560&page=4#post-259033 Fri, 01 Sep 2017 13:49:30 +0000 neddie 259033@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>5 words:</p> <p>Laws of supply and demand. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=15560&page=4#post-259031 Fri, 01 Sep 2017 13:26:54 +0000 chdot 259031@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Not entirely the right thread -</p> <p>"</p> <p>Parking plane at Edinburgh Airport ‘cheaper than drop-off zone’</p> <p>"</p> <p><a href="http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/our-region/edinburgh/parking-plane-at-edinburgh-airport-cheaper-than-drop-off-zone-1-4548585" rel="nofollow">http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/our-region/edinburgh/parking-plane-at-edinburgh-airport-cheaper-than-drop-off-zone-1-4548585</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=15560&page=4#post-242651 Sat, 11 Feb 2017 16:50:07 +0000 chdot 242651@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"</p> <p>Transform Scotland has criticised the proposed actions for transport in the Plan. Whilst containing a reasonable level of ambition for emissions cuts, the Plan is heavily dependent on technological change, such as the uptake of electric cars. In contrast, the Plan largely ignores opportunities provided by walking, cycling, public transport, and car sharing, and is extremely weak on road traffic demand management. </p> <p>"</p> <p><a href="http://transformscotland.org.uk/blog/2017/02/10/climate-plan-priorities-fail-on-equalities-health-congestion-and-the-economy/" rel="nofollow">http://transformscotland.org.uk/blog/2017/02/10/climate-plan-priorities-fail-on-equalities-health-congestion-and-the-economy/</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=15560&page=4#post-242642 Sat, 11 Feb 2017 13:03:20 +0000 chdot 242642@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"So now it's all the fault of "internet delivery vans". Nothing at all to do with single occupant motor vehicle commuting, motorised school runs, or driving to the corner shop for milk and ciggies."</p> <p>Well yes but, the problem is the straw/camel back point.</p> <p>There are undoubtedly more vans - many internet shopping related - but not balanced by fewer car trips to real shops, so infrastructure overload (conveniently called traffic jams).</p> <p>People who habitually drive, by themselves, particularly at 'rush hour' are a minority. They are currently commandeering a disproportionate amount of resources (not just road space) and expect even more.</p> <p><em>Ought</em> to be politically possible to point this out and say 'we will now be doing more to address this imbalance'. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=15560&page=4#post-242641 Sat, 11 Feb 2017 12:48:52 +0000 chdot 242641@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"there is too much traffic on the roads and that helping that with flow will only increase traffic on the roads"</p> <p>If only your 'expert' friend could persuade his employers(?) (and everyone else) that this is true.</p> <p>It would help if Govs didn't keep giving into the 'there is a demand, so we must build more roads' nonsense.</p> <p>Fortunately (generally) there is much less scope for more/bigger roads in urban areas.</p> <p>So more 'understanding' that there are too many vehicles trying to move (or clogging up the sides of the road), <em>choose</em> to be part of the problem - or not.</p> <p>There's not much chance of 'buying' a way out of the problem - and generally those causing the problem are unwilling to pay for solutions.</p> <p>Segregated cycle infrastructure (well designed/in right place) is actually part of the solution. So far there is the political will to do it.</p> <p>After May, who knows? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=15560&page=3#post-242640 Sat, 11 Feb 2017 12:43:04 +0000 crowriver 242640@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>So now it's all the fault of "internet delivery vans". Nothing at all to do with single occupant motor vehicle commuting, motorised school runs, or driving to the corner shop for milk and ciggies. Oh no. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=15560&page=3#post-242638 Sat, 11 Feb 2017 12:22:56 +0000 Stickman 242638@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>A traffic flow modeller</em></p> <p>We've had enough of experts. What we need is some good old fashioned common sense. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=15560&page=3#post-242636 Sat, 11 Feb 2017 11:52:30 +0000 gembo 242636@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I cycle with a nice young man who is a traffic flow modeller and he is very happy to concede there is too much traffic on the roads and that helping that with flow will only increase traffic on the roads. As Eddie points out. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=15560&page=3#post-242635 Sat, 11 Feb 2017 11:32:13 +0000 chdot 242635@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"</p> <p>Ross Lydall (@RossLydall)<br /> 10/02/2017, 08:15<br /> Daily Mail seems to have forgotten that gridlock is caused by cycle lanes <a href="http://pic.twitter.com/3V6ycswCho" rel="nofollow">http://pic.twitter.com/3V6ycswCho</a></p> <p>" </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=15560&page=3#post-242634 Sat, 11 Feb 2017 11:19:16 +0000 chdot 242634@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"is by demand management using variable pricing controls"</p> <p>Indeed.</p> <p>Problem there is that would be instantly slammed as 'war on hardpressed, lawabiding, noothertransportoption moralmajority voters'. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=15560&page=3#post-242633 Sat, 11 Feb 2017 11:13:54 +0000 chdot 242633@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"The <em>only</em> way to get traffic to flow freely is by"</p> <p>making sure there are no junctions, crossroads etc.</p> <p>(Or by having so little traffic there is no interaction.) </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=15560&page=3#post-242631 Sat, 11 Feb 2017 11:05:58 +0000 neddie 242631@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Even if the Tories 'magic traffic management' does succeed in improving the traffic flow temporarily, in the long term it will only make congestion worse by encouraging new- or longer- journeys (in much the same way as adding an extra lane to a motorway does).</p> <p>Traffic will quickly return to just above saturation point, where it becomes self-limiting again.</p> <p>The <em>only</em> way to get traffic to flow freely is by demand management using variable pricing controls (tolls, pay-as-you-go, point-of-use pricing - call it what you like) </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=15560&page=3#post-242629 Sat, 11 Feb 2017 10:14:17 +0000 gembo 242629@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@frenchy, there is the rub. If all people who do not need direct access are prevented from getting direct access then those who do need it will have a better time. so if an across the board ban in cars is enforced we might expect an increase in disabled parking badges but that is fine as you say if everyone else is kept out. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=15560&page=3#post-242628 Sat, 11 Feb 2017 09:43:58 +0000 Frenchy 242628@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>It's all just disingenuous deflection of criticism of their own selfish desires and behaviours. </em></p> <p>I think it's important to acknowledge that this isn't true of <em>everyone</em> making this argument, even if it <em>is</em> true of the majority. Living in a wheelchair, for example, brings enough inherent problems that we should make sure we're not adding to them unduly. However, we also shouldn't forget that many elderly and disabled people don't have the privilege of access to a car.</p> <p>But the argument needs to be made that restricting motorised access to city centres etc. is <em>beneficial</em> to those who have the greatest need for using a car. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=15560&page=3#post-242627 Sat, 11 Feb 2017 09:11:24 +0000 gembo 242627@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>D'anton was of course guillotined by the committee he set up (1794).</p> <p>We are dealing with a very stubborn cross section of society.</p> <p>Enforcement is really the only option, people are not going to agree. But politicians are too scared.</p> <p>We. Live in carmageddon with some mass delusion smokescreen as any individual driver is relatively harmless. Not too polluting and probably never kill anyone but collectively thousands die on the roads and the pollution levels soaring. Not sure if people here would disagree, we are hardly the demographic. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=15560&page=3#post-242625 Fri, 10 Feb 2017 23:48:30 +0000 crowriver 242625@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"Aye, fair enough. "</p> <p>Not really. The type of drivers who use disabled or elderly people as the reason for not restricting motorised access to city centres/railway stations/etc. are just using this as a smokescreen to stake a claim for <em>their own</em> motor vehicle usage to be uninhibited.</p> <p>It's all just disingenuous deflection of criticism of their own selfish desires and behaviours. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=15560&page=3#post-242621 Fri, 10 Feb 2017 21:59:22 +0000 Frenchy 242621@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>He said he could not agree to banning cars as his elderly disabled mother needed to be picked up from her house and then driven directly to shop or restaurant.</em></p> <p>Aye, fair enough. But how much better would it be if everyone who <em>could</em> walk/take the bus/cycle did so? If half the journeys in Edinburgh were being made on a bike, it'd be <em>far</em> easier for those who genuinely need to take a car to make their own journeys, and to find a parking spot at the end of them. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=15560&page=3#post-242620 Fri, 10 Feb 2017 21:56:18 +0000 Stickman 242620@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@Laidback:</p> <p>Iain Whyte said that the magic "traffic management" was better traffic signalling. Quite how that will help the volume of traffic attempting to get along St John's Road (or similar) isn't clear. Maybe cut down on the number of pedestrian crossings?</p> <p>Cllr Whyte is another worshipper of the Great God Traffic Flow and questioning his faith is unwise. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=15560&page=3#post-242619 Fri, 10 Feb 2017 21:52:29 +0000 LaidBack 242619@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>Tories - invest in magic "traffic management" to ease congestion</em></p> <p>- Special car lanes for the wealthy? Although if you have the money you can flaunt bus lanes in your car already.</p> <p>- Halt tram extension. These are not the same Tories that expect taxpayers in Scotland to pay for 'big infra' projects in London? (Crossrail quoted at £15 billion but might well be more. Yes - the SG for some reason think a third runway at Heathrow is a 'good thing'.) </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=15560&page=3#post-242618 Fri, 10 Feb 2017 21:50:20 +0000 gembo 242618@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@ih, yes, I had that discussion with a chap at one of the George street consultations in the Roxburgh hotel. We were having a civilised debate. He said he could not agree to banning cars as his elderly disabled mother needed to be picked up from her house and then driven directly to shop or restaurant. I said actually if we are to succeed in making Edinburgh breathe again as a city free from pollution you will need to pick your mum up in your car then drive to a park and ride or similar car park and then take a taxi direct to your venue. I felt I was coming over a bit Georges D'anton of the French Revolution but in fact I was right as well as hard. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=15560&page=3#post-242614 Fri, 10 Feb 2017 21:14:31 +0000 ih 242614@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>The article perpetrates two myths; that there is a large class of people (usually described as disabled and/or elderly) whose only way of getting around is by private car, and businesses rely on trade from car-drivers. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=15560&page=3#post-242612 Fri, 10 Feb 2017 21:06:50 +0000 Frenchy 242612@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>50% increase over 5 years is roughly 8.5% per year. Not unreasonable. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=15560&page=3#post-242611 Fri, 10 Feb 2017 21:06:41 +0000 gembo 242611@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>How curious. Saturation point is the point when people stop taking their cars into the city centre. That is never gonna happen not even if we achieve super saturation. Which is I believe the wettest it gets though of course I will be instantly corrected if that is wrong </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=15560&page=3#post-242610 Fri, 10 Feb 2017 20:56:24 +0000 chdot 242610@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>From Monday </p> <p>"</p> <p>THe latest rise in parking charges in the Capital should not surprise anyone. </p> <p>The gradual squeeze on the cost of motoring in the city has been going on for years and it is not just the busiest city centre streets that are affected. Anyone looking to park for an hour or two in many parts of Edinburgh, including Stockbridge, Sciennes and the West End, will have to pay well above 50 per cent more than they did five years.</p> <p>"</p> <p><a href="http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/opinion/comment-when-do-parking-charge-increases-hit-saturation-point-1-4358547" rel="nofollow">http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/opinion/comment-when-do-parking-charge-increases-hit-saturation-point-1-4358547</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=15560&page=3#post-242433 Wed, 08 Feb 2017 20:45:03 +0000 crowriver 242433@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><strike>Conservative's</strike> Mr Toad's budget proposal</p> <p>FTFY</p> <p>"It's the only way to travel. " (Mr Toad of Toad Hall) </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=15560&page=3#post-242423 Wed, 08 Feb 2017 18:57:54 +0000 Stickman 242423@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Conservative's budget proposal:</p> <p>- no city centre parking charge rises<br /> - stop the roll-out of 20mph<br /> - scrap the ring fencing of cycling budget<br /> - halt the tram extension<br /> - invest in magic "traffic management" to ease congestion</p> <p><a href="http://www.edinburgh.gov.uk/download/meetings/id/53226/conservative_group_budget_motion" rel="nofollow">http://www.edinburgh.gov.uk/download/meetings/id/53226/conservative_group_budget_motion</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=15560&page=3#post-242341 Wed, 08 Feb 2017 09:32:17 +0000 chdot 242341@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Central areas are roughly double, but still less than £1 a day. </p> <p><a href="http://www.edinburgh.gov.uk/download/downloads/id/8684/residents_permit_prices_from_1_april_2016.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.edinburgh.gov.uk/download/downloads/id/8684/residents_permit_prices_from_1_april_2016.pdf</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=15560&page=3#post-242339 Wed, 08 Feb 2017 08:22:19 +0000 Nelly 242339@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"In George street have residents parking charged at what £70 a year"</p> <p>I don't think that is accurate, I live in zone S1 and our permit is about £90 for a 120 CO2 emissions car.</p> <p>George Street is the most expensive zone, so will be a lot more. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=15560&page=3#post-242325 Tue, 07 Feb 2017 21:16:13 +0000 neddie 242325@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>EasyJet must have very good algorithms for maximising the return on every flight. The aim is always to get a full flight, with as many people as possible paying the higher ticket prices. Prices increase dramatically, as seats get filled.</p> <p>It could work quite well if this were applied to parking:</p> <p>In times of low demand (off-peak) there would be many available spaces, so rates could be low e.g. £1/hr. At mid-demand, when around half the spaces are still available, rates could increase, let's say £4/hr. Then when only 2 or 3 spaces are left, whack, £20/hr.</p> <p>With availability of online mapping, it would be easy to create an app that continuously adjusts prices according to demand. </p>