http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ CityCyclingEdinburgh Forum » Topic: "Edinburgh street ‘most polluted in Scotland’ " en Tue, 07 Apr 2026 12:44:41 +0000 http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=15598&page=2#post-365306 Wed, 14 Dec 2022 18:47:54 +0000 chdot 365306@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>“it will be beautiful streams of constantly moving traffic“</p> <p>ONLY if you close all side roads, remove all traffic lights/ped crossings </p> <p>AND</p> <p>Convert roundabouts to Magic Roundabouts - bit like revolving doors where vehicles are neatly segregated and dispatched to their destination roads safely… </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=15598&page=2#post-365305 Wed, 14 Dec 2022 18:08:49 +0000 Stickman 365305@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Lots of ideas about appeasing the great god of Traffic Flow, not so much about traffic reduction. </p> <p>So people living/walking in the area will no longer have to worry about queues of stationary traffic: it will be beautiful streams of constantly moving traffic they’ll have to worry about instead. </p> <p>Is that progress? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=15598&page=2#post-365304 Wed, 14 Dec 2022 17:37:47 +0000 HankChief 365304@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I'm surprised that wasn't in the answer under things they have done to solve it... </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=15598&page=2#post-365303 Wed, 14 Dec 2022 17:36:01 +0000 acsimpson 365303@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>But there isn't any congestion in Corstorphine. It was all caused by the temporary pavement extensions that have now been removed.</p> <p>At least that was why they were removed. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=15598&page=2#post-365302 Wed, 14 Dec 2022 17:30:51 +0000 chdot 365302@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>“</p> <p>procurement of new equipment is underway to enable SCOOT to operate effectively</p> <p>“</p> <p>HOW MUCH??</p> <p>“</p> <p>• Considering proposals for a new layout at the A8/Drumbrae South roundabout </p> <p>HOW MUCH??</p> <p>“</p> <p>• A re-design of the junction/roundabout </p> <p>“</p> <p>HOW MUCH?? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=15598&page=2#post-365301 Wed, 14 Dec 2022 17:24:29 +0000 Frenchy 365301@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I <em>know</em> that <em>he</em> knows that none of that will reduce traffic delays. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=15598&page=2#post-365300 Wed, 14 Dec 2022 17:24:28 +0000 Morningsider 365300@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Bets on what proportion of this scheme will be funded from the active travel budget, as it includes pedestrian crossings and some nod towards bikes? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=15598&page=2#post-365299 Wed, 14 Dec 2022 17:15:57 +0000 HankChief 365299@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>It's all okay Prof Arthur will be adjusting the traffic lights...</p> <p>1) Can the convener advise what steps he is intending to take in order to reduce traffic delays along St John’s Road?</p> <p>Answer (1) The actions that officers are progressing for St John’s Road include:<br /> • Monitoring traffic in the area and adjusting the timing of traffic signals (which are local to each of the traffic signal controllers) to manage the traffic flow along the St John’s Road corridor;<br /> • In addition, as the corridor is capable of running the Split Cycle Offset Optimisation Technique (SCOOT) method of traffic signal control, procurement of new equipment is underway to enable SCOOT to operate effectively;<br /> • Considering proposals for a new layout at the A8/Drumbrae South roundabout as currently traffic flow into the roundabout from the other arms, especially in the peak periods, constricts the traffic flow westbound exiting from St John’s Road. This then creates a bottleneck through the St John’s Road corridor when traffic is queued back from this roundabout; and<br /> • A re-design of the junction/roundabout is being developed to remove the roundabout and replace it with a signalised junction. Modelling work is still taking place to ascertain the effects of this on the network. In<br /> addition, other options are also being considered on how to manipulate the existing infrastructure at the roundabout to improve traffic flow along St John’s Road</p> <p><a href="https://democracy.edinburgh.gov.uk/documents/s52920/Questions%20and%20Answers%20-%20for%20Mod%20Gov.pdf" rel="nofollow">https://democracy.edinburgh.gov.uk/documents/s52920/Questions%20and%20Answers%20-%20for%20Mod%20Gov.pdf</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=15598&page=2#post-315748 Mon, 14 Oct 2019 15:11:03 +0000 I were right about that saddle 315748@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><blockquote>My party, the Liberal Democrats, has a detailed plan to tackle the climate emergency, achieving net-zero carbon emissions by 2045 at the very latest.</blockquote></p> <p>Must have forgotten the hyperlink? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=15598&page=2#post-315746 Mon, 14 Oct 2019 15:05:35 +0000 Morningsider 315746@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Is this the same Lib Dems that voted to reject the Transport (Scotland) Bill (which provides the legal framework for Low Emission Zones), voted against the workplace parking levy, voted against reinstating the prohibition on parking in mandatory cycle lanes, voted against the 20mph speed limit bill and opposed the Edinburgh tram extension? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=15598&page=2#post-315744 Mon, 14 Oct 2019 14:45:59 +0000 HankChief 315744@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Christine Jardine MP quoting SJR in her article</p> <p><a href="https://www.scotsman.com/news/opinion/columnists/i-back-extinction-rebellion-s-aims-100-but-some-of-their-methods-are-counter-productive-christine-jardine-1-5022336/amp?__twitter_impression=true" rel="nofollow">https://www.scotsman.com/news/opinion/columnists/i-back-extinction-rebellion-s-aims-100-but-some-of-their-methods-are-counter-productive-christine-jardine-1-5022336/amp?__twitter_impression=true</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=15598&page=2#post-306407 Sat, 11 May 2019 10:09:44 +0000 HankChief 306407@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>In a tweet celebrating a local councillor's 35 years of service there is a picture of a 1992 leaflet bemoaing then pollution &amp; traffic on St John's Road...</p> <p>Wonder what it will be like in another 25 years...</p> <p><a href="https://twitter.com/BordersJen/status/1126925262988431360?s=19" rel="nofollow">https://twitter.com/BordersJen/status/1126925262988431360?s=19</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=15598#post-209076 Wed, 20 Jan 2016 15:22:56 +0000 chdot 209076@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"</p> <p>A HOLYROOD candidate handed out protective safety masks on Scotland’s most polluted street as he launched a campaign to reduce emissions.</p> <p>Alex Cole-Hamilton, Liberal Democrat hopeful for Edinburgh Western, has set out a five-point plan to tackle the crisis on St John’s Road in Corstorphine.</p> <p>"</p> <p><a href="http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/lib-dem-hands-out-safety-masks-on-polluted-street-1-4006174" rel="nofollow">http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/lib-dem-hands-out-safety-masks-on-polluted-street-1-4006174</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=15598#post-209064 Wed, 20 Jan 2016 14:22:32 +0000 Stickman 209064@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Roibeard: I have emailed him, but not had any response from him. </p> <p>And Alex C-H isn't responding when I ask him why is should support his plan given his colleagues will just block it.... </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=15598#post-209062 Wed, 20 Jan 2016 14:18:28 +0000 Roibeard 209062@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@Stickman - if you ask him directly about the Roseburn consultation, I'm sure he will give you the same answer, which you could then put to A C-H. Indeed, if I were being mischievious, I might email the councillor and the candidate with the same question as to their stance on the consultation!</p> <p>Robert </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=15598#post-209056 Wed, 20 Jan 2016 13:58:48 +0000 559 209056@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Re Alec Cole-Hamilton plan, sounds very commendable. but misleading.<br /> Tax Benefits on diesel vehicles need to end nothing to do with the Scot Government.<br /> More pertinent would be challenging single occupancy drivers. At best could reduce private car traffic by 75% but more realistically 50%. </p> <p>You can just now get to the Gyle, Edinburgh Park, RBS, Airport by Tram, Train, bus and of course cycle, yet still cars go along St Johns road with one occupant. Behaviour needs challenged. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=15598#post-209052 Wed, 20 Jan 2016 13:52:00 +0000 crowriver 209052@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"what they're lugging which requires them to be the only occupant of a private vehicle "</p> <p>Personal space and freedom, that's what! Oh, and business calls on the hands free, personal playlist on Spotify fed through bass bins in the boot, and their office suit hung next the back seat from the coat hooks above the rear door. Will that do? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=15598#post-209030 Wed, 20 Jan 2016 11:29:37 +0000 wingpig 209030@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>If they're going to spot check people they ought to be asking each subject what their journey is and what they're lugging which requires them to be the only occupant of a private vehicle rather than the proud user of a pair of legs or one of the people spreading out the per-passenger emissions cost of a large bus. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=15598#post-209026 Wed, 20 Jan 2016 11:21:25 +0000 kaputnik 209026@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I really do think the "spot check" thing is a red herring. It's a response to the wrong problem and implies that it's not the sheer volume of "otherwise law abiding" single occupant vehicularists that's the problem, just the odd bad egg here and there with a smoky old banger. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=15598#post-209016 Wed, 20 Jan 2016 10:27:49 +0000 Stickman 209016@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Roibeard</p> <p>Well, he should come out and say it in public. </p> <p>Alex Cole-Hamilton can also explain why I should support him if his colleagues are just going to oppose his "action plan". </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=15598#post-209012 Wed, 20 Jan 2016 10:05:07 +0000 paulmilne 209012@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>One thing the 5 point pollution plan above didn't suggest is what other major cities are doing, ie partially restricting private vehicle use, for example using number plates to restrict which days you can bring your car in. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=15598#post-209010 Wed, 20 Jan 2016 09:53:28 +0000 Roibeard 209010@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@Stickman - From a personal communication Paul Edie believes that Councillor Ross is correct, so there's little ambiguity or weaseling there...</p> <p>Robert </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=15598#post-209006 Wed, 20 Jan 2016 00:45:41 +0000 Stickman 209006@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>From the leaflet I received:<br /> <em></p> <p>"Residents and shopkeepers have reacted with outrage at proposals to remove a bus lane to accommodate a new cycle path on the A8 from Roseburn.....The westbound lane would be removed at Wester Coates and bus passengers would need to be cross the cycle way to access the bus stop at Wester Coates.</p> <p>Local Councillor Paul Edie said "Local traders have raised concerns about loading and locations of trade waste bins while residents have concerns about the loss of a bus lane and the impact on traffic flows"<br /> </em></p> <p>Not what you would call a balanced view of the plan. Apparently it was a "drafting issue". </p> <p>Paul Edie is still to make his view known on this. I suspect he is taking the sneaky weasel option and will go whichever way the wind is blowing. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=15598#post-209004 Wed, 20 Jan 2016 00:29:05 +0000 acsimpson 209004@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Seems like a sensible policy. Did someone say the lib dems had released an ambiguous mailshot? The one we have doesn't seem to suggest they don't support active travel. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=15598#post-208998 Tue, 19 Jan 2016 22:26:55 +0000 HankChief 208998@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><a href="http://www.alexcolehamilton.org.uk/alex_launches_5_point_pollution_plan">http://www.alexcolehamilton.org.uk/alex_launches_5_point_pollution_plan</a></p> <p><em>With pollution levels recorded at nearly 50% over European safety standards, Lib Dem candidate for Edinbugh Western in the Scottish Parliament, Alex Cole-Hamilton has called on Edinburgh Council and the Scottish Government to take immediate action in the following 5 ways:</p> <p>1: Regular (at least weekly) spot checks of vehicle emissions in St John’s Road and Queensferry Road by Council Enforcement officers with fines imposed on drivers with vehicles operating outside legal levels.</p> <p>2: Accelerated roll out of and investment in electric and hybrid buses on all public transport routes.</p> <p>3: A fundamental increase in investment in active travel across Scotland and the City of Edinburgh Council area including improvements in the cycle path network and safe walking routes</p> <p>4: A complete moratorium on house building on the greenbelt in West Edinburgh in order to prevent a further increase in congestion levels on arterial routes through West Edinburgh.</p> <p>5: Increased investment in public transport links serving the airport and outlying villages, including a direct bus route to the city centre from Kirkliston and South Queensferry and the introduction of an airport bus along the Queensferry Road Corridor.</p> <p>On launching the action plan, Alex Cole-Hamilton said:</p> <p>“Pollution levels in Corstorphine and Queensferry Road are a national disgrace. They represent a clear and present threat to public health, yet the SNP, who have been in charge of this City and this country for nearly a decade, continue to drag their heels.</p> <p>“Almost 2,000 Scots die prematurely each year as a result of vehicle emissions and nowhere is this risk more present than in communities that span the arterial routes into Edinburgh. Investment in my 5 point action plan will actually save our country money in the future in terms of reduced demand on health services and days lost to work through illness.”</em> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=15598#post-208723 Sun, 17 Jan 2016 18:17:41 +0000 crowriver 208723@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@IWRATS, classic "inversion": warm air with clouds above traps the cold air in the city. Very little breeze, pollution hangs around at low level. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=15598#post-208721 Sun, 17 Jan 2016 17:53:55 +0000 I were right about that saddle 208721@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Looking back at Edinburgh from Gullane Point yesterday you could <em>see</em> the brown cloud over the city. Filthy stuff. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=15598#post-208706 Sun, 17 Jan 2016 15:11:08 +0000 Ed1 208706@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>The government has been promoting diesel cars for over a decade through reduced income tax and road fund duty The first step nationally would be to end these tax and duty advantages. Locally cities could ban private deisel cars from the areas with highest pollution during peak Times. Much like smoking was until the 90s few think about vechile pollution as is everywhere. Also the denial and reluctance to act may be similar smoking in the past ,would imagine if edinburgh tried to ban diesel cars all sorts of government and commercial interests would make it diffcult as would be considered a dangerous precedent as others may follow etc. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=15598#post-208704 Sun, 17 Jan 2016 15:03:24 +0000 chdot 208704@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><a href="http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2016/jan/16/world-heslth-organisation-figures-deadly-pollution-levels-world-biggest-cities" rel="nofollow">http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2016/jan/16/world-heslth-organisation-figures-deadly-pollution-levels-world-biggest-cities</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=15598#post-208703 Sun, 17 Jan 2016 14:19:59 +0000 minus six 208703@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>big weekend news, to be shamefully dropped like a stone under the fold by the beginning of the working week</p> <p>business as usual, move along, nothing to see here </p>