http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ CityCyclingEdinburgh Forum » Topic: "we will be conducting the Edinburgh Garden District Charrette" en Thu, 21 May 2026 13:50:42 +0000 http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=1560&page=2#post-282010 Mon, 07 May 2018 09:57:52 +0000 chdot 282010@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>“</p> <p>Redheughs Village, proposed by ex-Ibrox chief Sir David Murray, was supported by councillors when plans were initially tabled back in 2015. </p> <p> However, the development – which would be the first stage of the £1 billion “Garden District” built on land near Royal Bank of Scotland’s Gogarburn headquarters – was held up due to concerns over the potential environmental impact by Science and Advice for Agricultural Services (SASA).</p> <p>“</p> <p><a href="https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/our-region/edinburgh/government-overrules-city-council-to-approve-1400-new-homes-near-edinburgh-airport-1-4735706" rel="nofollow">https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/our-region/edinburgh/government-overrules-city-council-to-approve-1400-new-homes-near-edinburgh-airport-1-4735706</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=1560&page=2#post-273364 Tue, 23 Jan 2018 11:48:30 +0000 cb 273364@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"the steel tycoon was seeking almost £2million for the [...] three bedroom villa"</p> <p>Hmmm, maybe should have listed the gym or the wine cellar as extra bedrooms.</p> <p>The best detail kept until last:</p> <p>"The sales material highlights the fact that the owners have been granted permission to demolish the two-storey mansion and build a country house in the Art Deco style." </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=1560&page=2#post-273357 Tue, 23 Jan 2018 10:34:35 +0000 chdot 273357@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><a href="https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/our-region/edinburgh/murrayfield/sir-david-murray-s-murrayfield-mansion-sells-for-almost-1m-under-asking-price-1-4668361" rel="nofollow">https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/our-region/edinburgh/murrayfield/sir-david-murray-s-murrayfield-mansion-sells-for-almost-1m-under-asking-price-1-4668361</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=1560&page=2#post-262889 Sun, 08 Oct 2017 19:40:29 +0000 chdot 262889@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>“</p> <p>Last year Murray Capital received a “minded to” planning permission decision for 1,300 houses at its Edinburgh Garden District site in west Edinburgh. The decision was called in by the Scottish Government with the outcome due at the start of next year.</p> <p>“</p> <p><a href="http://www.scotsman.com/business/sir-david-murray-donates-1-5m-to-new-charity-1-4580464" rel="nofollow">http://www.scotsman.com/business/sir-david-murray-donates-1-5m-to-new-charity-1-4580464</a></p> <p>(I presume there is a newer thread about this project.) </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=1560&page=2#post-214235 Mon, 14 Mar 2016 21:50:16 +0000 chdot 214235@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>EN commenter -</p> <p>"</p> <p> Surely a proper local newspaper should be challenging this PR guff rather than uncritically parroting it? Murray bought this land for £2000 an acre. It will be worth £1 million an acre if the council caves in and allows him to build over it.</p> <p>" </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=1560&page=2#post-214181 Mon, 14 Mar 2016 13:06:28 +0000 chdot 214181@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Apparently there is a map in the paper and (I think) the idea is to short cut (and have visible) between the two places it goes under the bypass. </p> <p>Seems like a good idea that <em>shouldn't</em> need to depend on building thousands of houses! </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=1560&page=2#post-214166 Mon, 14 Mar 2016 11:08:06 +0000 chdot 214166@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"Praise the developers, rescuing the burn from manky underground servitude"</p> <p>Indeed, except that the underground bits are beneath Edinburgh Park, the bypass and the airport. </p> <p>So not really (un)covered by this proposed development! </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=1560&page=2#post-214163 Mon, 14 Mar 2016 10:46:50 +0000 wingpig 214163@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><blockquote><em>"semi-stagnant passage"</em></blockquote></p> <p>Praise the developers, rescuing the burn from manky underground servitude and creating biodiverse greenspaces. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=1560&page=2#post-214157 Mon, 14 Mar 2016 10:30:08 +0000 chdot 214157@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><a href="http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/garden-district-plan-aims-to-restore-gogar-burn-1-4068164" rel="nofollow">http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/garden-district-plan-aims-to-restore-gogar-burn-1-4068164</a></p> <p>Contains 'misinformation' about the Gogar Burn. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=1560&page=2#post-202230 Tue, 20 Oct 2015 09:21:29 +0000 HankChief 202230@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Missed this first time round...</p> <p>Specific objections to this proposal now has it's own thread...</p> <p><a href="http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=15631">http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=15631</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=1560&page=2#post-199610 Wed, 23 Sep 2015 10:11:46 +0000 chdot 199610@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"</p> <p>Developers have submitted proposals for 1500 homes which they said would turn land next to Edinburgh Park and the Royal Bank of Scotland headquarters at Gogarburn into a “Cambridge-style growth area” capable of powering the city’s wider economic expansion.</p> <p>"</p> <p><a href="http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/garden-district-plans-for-capital-back-in-business-1-3895497" rel="nofollow">http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/garden-district-plans-for-capital-back-in-business-1-3895497</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=1560&page=2#post-156263 Sat, 07 Jun 2014 12:16:01 +0000 chdot 156263@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"</p> <p><a href="http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12945&amp;replies=2#post-156262">Sir David Murray’s £1 billion “Garden District” plan to build 3500 homes in the green belt west of the Capital which would ease the pressure on building within the city boundaries has been overlooked by city planners.</a></p> <p>" </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=1560&page=2#post-154491 Fri, 23 May 2014 13:12:23 +0000 chdot 154491@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"<br /> “The area out near the airport isn’t Edinburgh,” he said. “It might only be a few miles from the Maybury but it’s 100 miles as far as concert-goers are concerned.</p> <p>"</p> <p><a href="http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/edinburgh-ditches-plans-for-hydro-concert-venue-1-3420727" rel="nofollow">http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/edinburgh-ditches-plans-for-hydro-concert-venue-1-3420727</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=1560&page=2#post-115391 Fri, 21 Jun 2013 17:14:19 +0000 Coxy 115391@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Oh God! I'm finding myself agreeing with some of the comments!</p> <p>Help! </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=1560&page=2#post-115389 Fri, 21 Jun 2013 16:49:17 +0000 EddieD 115389@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>It's funny how small the green bits are in this "garden district" project.</p> <p>It looks a bit usefully close to a tram line that the council are looking justifications for though, for the paranoid hippy in me to be happy it's hot air this time. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=1560&page=2#post-115375 Fri, 21 Jun 2013 12:21:53 +0000 kaputnik 115375@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>More speculative hot air from Murray Estates. Why he thinks he can attract £1 billion in funding while other major developments in the city (Quartermile, Springside, Granton, Western Harbour, Fountainbridge etc.) seem to be stalled for lack of funds is anyone's guess.</p> <p><a href="http://www.scotsman.com/edinburgh-evening-news/latest-news/garden-district-plan-on-edinburgh-greenbelt-1-2973197" rel="nofollow">http://www.scotsman.com/edinburgh-evening-news/latest-news/garden-district-plan-on-edinburgh-greenbelt-1-2973197</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=1560&page=2#post-41244 Sun, 18 Sep 2011 18:32:43 +0000 chdot 41244@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"She also said that former Rangers owner Sir David Murray, below, wants to use the idea of creating a new Hearts stadium on land he owns in the west of the city as an excuse to develop on the green belt."</p> <p><a href="http://news.scotsman.com/edinburgh/Hearts-attacked-over-39biased39-fan.6837988.jp" rel="nofollow">http://news.scotsman.com/edinburgh/Hearts-attacked-over-39biased39-fan.6837988.jp</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=1560&page=2#post-32123 Wed, 25 May 2011 12:11:15 +0000 chdot 32123@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"But he also dismissed a pledge by Hearts' Lithuanian director Vitalijus Vasiliauskas that any new site would be "walking distance from Tynecastle" by pointing out that there are no sites big enough for a football stadium anywhere near the club's current ground."</p> <p><a href="http://edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/Tynecastle-sale-set-to-kickstart.6774102.jp" rel="nofollow">http://edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/Tynecastle-sale-set-to-kickstart.6774102.jp</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=1560&page=2#post-31932 Mon, 23 May 2011 12:15:28 +0000 chdot 31932@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"Hearts chiefs are considering Sir David Murray's proposal to build a stadium on green belt land in west Edinburgh, but said they were working with a "blank piece of paper" and were open to all suggestions."</p> <p><a href="http://edinburghnews.scotsman.com/topstories/Hearts-fans-39ready-to-accept39.6772863.jp" rel="nofollow">http://edinburghnews.scotsman.com/topstories/Hearts-fans-39ready-to-accept39.6772863.jp</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=1560&page=2#post-16015 Thu, 04 Nov 2010 13:17:55 +0000 Morningsider 16015@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Actually, no-one has focussed on the important part of the Chief Planners' speech. According to The Scotsman he said "I tend to think the proposals have a wider resonance than just Edinburgh".</p> <p>The Scottish Planning Policy (which sets out the Scottish Government's view on these matters) states "Where a proposal would not normally be consistent with green belt policy, it may still be considered appropriate either as a national priority or to meet an established need if no other suitable site is available".</p> <p>I would argue that the Chief Planner is hinting that this proposal could get the go-ahead as "wider resonance than just Edinburgh" could possibly be interpreted as "national priority". Just my view of course - I'm sure the Chief Planner would argue he is neither against or in-favour of the development. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=1560&page=2#post-15988 Thu, 04 Nov 2010 08:28:59 +0000 kaputnik 15988@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Edinburgh Garden Charade indeed </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=1560&page=2#post-15987 Thu, 04 Nov 2010 00:32:45 +0000 chdot 15987@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><a href="http://thescotsman.scotsman.com/news/Fury-as-chief-planner-39backs39.6612344.jp" rel="nofollow">http://thescotsman.scotsman.com/news/Fury-as-chief-planner-39backs39.6612344.jp</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=1560&page=2#post-15947 Wed, 03 Nov 2010 14:57:44 +0000 chdot 15947@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"SIR David Murray's property company has vowed to press ahead with plans to build a stadium on green belt land in west Edinburgh, even if Hearts and Edinburgh Rugby don't agree to play in it."</p> <p><a href="http://edinburghnews.scotsman.com/topstories/Murray39s-firm-won39t-lose-heart.6611098.jp" rel="nofollow">http://edinburghnews.scotsman.com/topstories/Murray39s-firm-won39t-lose-heart.6611098.jp</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=1560&page=2#post-15898 Wed, 03 Nov 2010 01:46:24 +0000 chdot 15898@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"Jim Lowrie, the council's current planning convenor, said: "It does look like Murray Estates is flying a kite with these proposals. Although there is some development in the west of the city this is clearly green belt land. It is against the current policies of the council. That's not obvious from their plans."</p> <p><a href="http://thescotsman.scotsman.com/news/Sir-David-Murray39s-firm-accused.6608641.jp" rel="nofollow">http://thescotsman.scotsman.com/news/Sir-David-Murray39s-firm-accused.6608641.jp</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=1560&page=2#post-15429 Wed, 27 Oct 2010 11:41:23 +0000 wingpig 15429@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>It's a pity that it wasn't mandatory for the planners/investors/developers to supply computer models of planned developments like this (and the proposed <a href="http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=1595">Canonmills abomination</a>) instead of just artists' impressions from carefully-selected angles. Concerned members of the public could then generate potential hideous views from various vantage points to better demonstrate the impacts of this sort of thing at ground level. Even a requirement to produce an artist's impression of the project in mid-construction when there's nowt to see but miles of shoddy fencing, mounds of earth, Portakabins and excavators where there was once a nice field would be good. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=1560&page=2#post-15424 Wed, 27 Oct 2010 11:07:52 +0000 spitfire 15424@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>all the buildings could be nabbed from google streetview... </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=1560&page=2#post-15422 Wed, 27 Oct 2010 11:06:12 +0000 kaputnik 15422@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>write it please</em></p> <p>once could probably do it using the SCURK (urban renewal kit). Although a lot of time would be needed in paintbrush doing the isometric bitmaps </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=1560&page=2#post-15418 Wed, 27 Oct 2010 10:46:00 +0000 cb 15418@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"I presume there's an Edinburgh developers' version"</p> <p>Seriously, that would be a great game.<br /> Someone write it please. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=1560#post-15413 Wed, 27 Oct 2010 10:03:17 +0000 steveo 15413@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I'd rather they got out of the town tbh would mean using Gorgie/Dalry through the winter was less hassle also would much rather they moved instead of knocking down Tynecastle school (it must be listed) </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=1560#post-15394 Wed, 27 Oct 2010 08:59:48 +0000 chdot 15394@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"Sim City, the original mac version"</p> <p>Yeah we had that (and maybe an update or two). Was quite educational - factoring in various 'what ifs' - like 'build x houses here and you'll need another power station/sewage works etc. and the city taxes will be...'</p> <p>I presume there's an Edinburgh developers' version which says 'let us build on the Green Belt, we'll add a football stadium (everyone will arrive by tram). You will provide all the infrastructure for free because we are building something iconic and world class which will enhance your city. As it will all be 'out of town' we expect low taxes. Also if you don't play ball, we'll take our ball to Glasgow (or anywhere else in the world that is desperate enough for inward investment that they'll pay us to come)'. </p>