http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ CityCyclingEdinburgh Forum » Topic: World Heritage status en Thu, 21 May 2026 16:24:36 +0000 http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=15603&page=2#post-258524 Mon, 28 Aug 2017 16:24:51 +0000 acsimpson 258524@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>And the other 11 months it's becoming dysfunctional due to large numbers of private vehicles flooding the city centre. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=15603&page=2#post-258421 Sun, 27 Aug 2017 11:36:40 +0000 chdot 258421@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"</p> <p>Edinburgh is becoming “dysfunctional” in August due to the vast number of people flooding into the city centre for its festivals, the city’s long-running heritage watchdog has warned.</p> <p>"</p> <p><a href="http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/inspire-me/festivals/heritage-watchdog-says-festival-crowds-choking-edinburgh-1-4543275" rel="nofollow">http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/inspire-me/festivals/heritage-watchdog-says-festival-crowds-choking-edinburgh-1-4543275</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=15603&page=2#post-256793 Mon, 07 Aug 2017 13:56:47 +0000 neddie 256793@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>^^^ like </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=15603&page=2#post-256792 Mon, 07 Aug 2017 13:55:04 +0000 ih 256792@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Whilst I have some sympathy with Alexander McCall-Smith's view of quite a bit of the newer development, the s4cedinburgh tweet provides an accurate corrective. Most of the ugliness in Edinburgh is transport related, the traffic volume, the bus park (aka Princes Street), the street signage and furniture, and most of all the parking free for all. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=15603&page=2#post-256787 Mon, 07 Aug 2017 13:31:13 +0000 neddie 256787@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>Getting so bored of folk saying the odd new development is ruining Ed when the city is being asphyxiated by unchecked motor traffic.<br /> </em><br /> <a href="https://twitter.com/s4cedinburgh/status/894322829843464192" rel="nofollow">https://twitter.com/s4cedinburgh/status/894322829843464192</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=15603&page=2#post-256770 Mon, 07 Aug 2017 09:32:31 +0000 chdot 256770@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><a href="http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/entertainment/alexander-mccall-smith-development-is-ruining-edinburgh-s-fragile-beauty-1-4523910" rel="nofollow">http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/entertainment/alexander-mccall-smith-development-is-ruining-edinburgh-s-fragile-beauty-1-4523910</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=15603&page=2#post-255472 Wed, 19 Jul 2017 21:46:58 +0000 chdot 255472@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><a href="http://nationalpost.com/travel/milan-bans-street-food-glass-bottles-and-selfie-sticks-to-curb-anti-social-behaviour/wcm/4fd51e62-f1e1-4548-b3ea-ce0da3c69323" rel="nofollow">http://nationalpost.com/travel/milan-bans-street-food-glass-bottles-and-selfie-sticks-to-curb-anti-social-behaviour/wcm/4fd51e62-f1e1-4548-b3ea-ce0da3c69323</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=15603&page=2#post-255249 Mon, 17 Jul 2017 09:50:21 +0000 chdot 255249@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"</p> <p>Horrifyingly, Marketing Edinburgh and the city’s Tourism Action Group went on to say “we are by no means near full capacity” for tourist accommodation and that their responsibility was to plan “industry growth”.</p> <p>"</p> <p><a href="http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/opinion/helen-martin-it-s-difficult-to-escape-from-this-tourist-trap-1-4504152" rel="nofollow">http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/opinion/helen-martin-it-s-difficult-to-escape-from-this-tourist-trap-1-4504152</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=15603&page=2#post-255168 Sat, 15 Jul 2017 18:14:25 +0000 chdot 255168@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Talking of psychogeography, don't forget -</p> <p><a href="http://www.nottinghilleditions.com/books/cyclogeography-journeys-of-a-london-bicycle-courier/215" rel="nofollow">http://www.nottinghilleditions.com/books/cyclogeography-journeys-of-a-london-bicycle-courier/215</a></p> <p><a href="https://www.theguardian.com/books/2015/may/25/cyclogeography-review-jon-day-cycle-courier-london" rel="nofollow">https://www.theguardian.com/books/2015/may/25/cyclogeography-review-jon-day-cycle-courier-london</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=15603&page=2#post-255122 Sat, 15 Jul 2017 09:40:53 +0000 chdot 255122@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Man* on RScot taking about 'threats' inc traffic and AirBnB. </p> <p><em>Also</em> 'residents help make it authentic'.</p> <p>*Nicholas Hotham <a href="http://www.ewht.org.uk/staff" rel="nofollow">http://www.ewht.org.uk/staff</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=15603&page=2#post-255105 Fri, 14 Jul 2017 19:07:01 +0000 gembo 255105@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>See paddy geddes thread. Original town planner creating idea that people deserve nice places to live and that a bonus to this humanity is that they end up being better people, </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=15603&page=2#post-255079 Fri, 14 Jul 2017 12:11:49 +0000 chdot 255079@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"</p> <p>The apartment offers panoramic views of the city, however at the time Ramsay Gardens was built, much of the old town of Edinburgh was a slum. Now, the Royal Mile is a tourist heritage destination</p> <p>"</p> <p><a href="https://edinburghartfestival.com/whats-on/detail/14-ramsay-garden-talks-and-tours" rel="nofollow">https://edinburghartfestival.com/whats-on/detail/14-ramsay-garden-talks-and-tours</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=15603&page=2#post-255041 Fri, 14 Jul 2017 08:51:35 +0000 gembo 255041@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>My Robinson psychogeography documentaries are by Patrick Keillor - London and Robinson in Space narrated by Paul Scholfield. Robinson in Ruins by Vanessa Redgrave.</p> <p>World view is ironic pessimism. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=15603&page=2#post-255017 Thu, 13 Jul 2017 16:16:02 +0000 Klaxon 255017@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Sustainable in planning contexts usually means sustaining the construction industry, not sustaining a balanced environment.</p> <p>It's clever doublespeak. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=15603&page=2#post-255008 Thu, 13 Jul 2017 14:41:04 +0000 ejstubbs 255008@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@Morningsider</p> <p><em>"The Council seem unusually scared that the money men will do a runner if they demand higher standards from major new developments. There is a pile of cash to made from property investments in Edinburgh. If one developer doesn't think it can wring enough profit from a site while meeting the required standards, I'm sure another will be happy to take a punt."</em></p> <p>I think it's more that the council is well aware that, given the piles of cash that you so rightly point out are there to be made from property investments in Edinburgh, developers can easily fund lengthy planning battles with the council. The council, on the other hand, operates on desperately tight budgets and has to make hard, unpleasant and very likely unpopular decisions about which battles to fight, especially since developers can appeal a planning rejection up to the Scottish Government, rendering a good deal of the council's expenditure on the process up to that point money down the drain. It's possible that the council sees a better deal overall being achieved by gaining some quid pro quos from the developers, so at least they might get some money to fix the roads and maintain bin collections, thus keeping some of the more vocal resident lobbyists off their back for a while.</p> <p>That doesn't mean that I don't think that the system sucks.</p> <p>BTW, AFAICR the "presumption in favour of sustainable development" diktat originated in Westminster - although I must admit that I <em>thought</em> that planning was a devolved responsibility* so in theory the Scottish Government could have chosen to ignore it. (As others have pointed out, that word "sustainable" seems to have been inserted as a largely meaningless sop to people worried about building on the green belt - which nevertheless seems to be proceeding apace round where I live.)</p> <p><em>* Only since 2008, it would seem <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Scottish_devolution#Powers_transferred_over_planning_and_nature_conservation_matters_at_sea_.282008.29">link</a>. However, that still precedes by some years the "presumption in favour of sustainable development" doctrine which AFAICT wasn't codified until the 2012 <a href="https://www.gov.uk/guidance/national-planning-policy-framework">National Planning Policy Framework</a> so I reckon the Scottish Government is still on the hook for adopting it north of the border.</em> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=15603&page=2#post-254967 Wed, 12 Jul 2017 22:42:53 +0000 gembo 254967@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Clive, really Chris Petit, filmmaker who made Radio On and wrote the novel Robinson. Still googling that as not on IMDb that I can see. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=15603&page=2#post-254939 Wed, 12 Jul 2017 13:23:51 +0000 chdot 254939@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"</p> <p>Every city has numerous challenges, whether it be affordable housing, homelessness, increasing the standards of hospitality, or having world-class places to stay.”</p> <p>"</p> <p><a href="https://www.theguardian.com/football/2017/jul/12/gary-neville-hotel-for-homeless-was-purely-the-right-thing-to-do" rel="nofollow">https://www.theguardian.com/football/2017/jul/12/gary-neville-hotel-for-homeless-was-purely-the-right-thing-to-do</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=15603&page=2#post-254935 Wed, 12 Jul 2017 12:12:44 +0000 chdot 254935@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Close by</p> <p><a href="https://scottishwildlifetrust.org.uk/reserve/johnston-terrace-garden/" rel="nofollow">https://scottishwildlifetrust.org.uk/reserve/johnston-terrace-garden/</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=15603&page=2#post-254934 Wed, 12 Jul 2017 12:11:44 +0000 chdot 254934@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><a href="https://www.stcolumbasbythecastle.org.uk/quiet-garden-open-at-st-columbas/" rel="nofollow">https://www.stcolumbasbythecastle.org.uk/quiet-garden-open-at-st-columbas/</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=15603&page=2#post-254933 Wed, 12 Jul 2017 12:05:12 +0000 dessert rat 254933@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Dunbar Close nice enough yes, but can be very busy - we tend to go down to the bottom of Canongate Kirk, right next door. Yet to see a single other person there. </p> <p>@ Aken - the St Columba's Church one I am not aware of. I shall investigate. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=15603&page=2#post-254930 Wed, 12 Jul 2017 11:02:58 +0000 AKen 254930@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>Any sunny day I will have lunch in mushroom trust restoration of a geddes old town garden. Secret. But as we are pals, through dunbR close, going down canongate on left after statue of Bobby fergusson and second Christmas shppe</em></p> <p>Secret garden down Trunk's Close is also very nice and, on the rare occasions that it's open, the St Columba's Church garden hidden away right at the end of Victoria Terrace is nice for a peaceful sandwich. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=15603&page=2#post-254929 Wed, 12 Jul 2017 10:50:56 +0000 gembo 254929@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Yeah ackroyd sort of and someone called Clive. Will google. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=15603&page=2#post-254928 Wed, 12 Jul 2017 10:45:13 +0000 PS 254928@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I've had Peter Ackroyd down as a psychogeographer, although I've never really looked into the term. </p> <p>His books on London (and Venice, I think) put forward his theory that particular locations retain some sort of memory of the uses they were put to or the events that happened there. Meat markets, plague pits, red light districts, all that sort of stuff. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=15603&page=2#post-254926 Wed, 12 Jul 2017 10:25:22 +0000 gembo 254926@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>In many ways, this forum is psychogeography. Or cycle psychogeography.</p> <p>Any sunny day I will have lunch in mushroom trust restoration of a geddes old town garden. Secret. But as we are pals, through dunbR close, going down canongate on left after statue of Bobby fergusson and second Christmas shppe </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=15603#post-254924 Wed, 12 Jul 2017 10:07:25 +0000 chdot 254924@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"</p> <p>"In Geddes's vision, any redemption from the plight of the industrial city is achievable only if the historic city, the Old Town of Edinburgh in this case, becomes recognised as the place to achieve any improvement of the city"</p> <p>"</p> <p><a href="http://hodgers.com/mike/patrickgeddes/feature_eleven.html" rel="nofollow">http://hodgers.com/mike/patrickgeddes/feature_eleven.html</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=15603#post-254923 Wed, 12 Jul 2017 10:03:57 +0000 gembo 254923@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Iain Sinclair is the doyen of psychogeography. He prefers walking, e.g. Round the M25. But the film Robinson is worth watching, though it is driving rather than walking.</p> <p>Sinclair also good on bits of lost London. See my attempt at sub-Sinclair wandering in previous post. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=15603#post-254922 Wed, 12 Jul 2017 10:01:04 +0000 gembo 254922@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@chdot, yes. Was buying a book in waterstones the other Friday after work, had time to kill before work night out. Went straight down to India Street, then down the steps that go to the private residence, but then on to Stockbridge, hada laff at some trousers in a shop called Dick's, went back up the steps, whilst being watched by tourists trying to figure them out. Went into Kay's Bar, all purple corded military gents, then struck out through the breeze block of Jamaica Mews, former slum tenements. On along Cumberland then London St and found a square off Gayfield Sq I did not know about, maybe Swan's Sq? Then that bit of rubber that often features in these annals, thence to Joseph Pearce. Call it flanneuring or stravaigin. It was mightily fine </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=15603#post-254921 Wed, 12 Jul 2017 10:01:01 +0000 stiltskin 254921@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Doesn't 'Heritage' relate to the past. If so then unless you are destroying the past bits (ie architecture etc) then how is the Heritage affected? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=15603#post-254920 Wed, 12 Jul 2017 09:55:57 +0000 chdot 254920@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"</p> <p>Psychogeography is an approach to geography that emphasizes playfulness and "drifting" around urban environments. It has links to the Situationist International. </p> <p>Psychogeography was defined in 1955 </p> <p>"</p> <p><a href="https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychogeography" rel="nofollow">https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychogeography</a></p> <p>I keep meaning to take more interest in this as it is clearly a mash of art, science, politics and perhaps mysticism - so serious and fun with perhaps some useful insights. </p> <p>I'm sure Patrick Geddes would approve. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=15603#post-254917 Wed, 12 Jul 2017 09:49:55 +0000 chdot 254917@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"I love walking through the new town"</p> <p>Is that just the bits without through traffic?</p> <p>There have been many attempts to sell 'Edinburgh' as the Old Town and the New Town. </p> <p>But there's clearly too much architecture for most people as they seldom move further north than George Street and Multrees Walk. </p>