http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ CityCyclingEdinburgh Forum » Topic: Edinburgh Gateway Station en Tue, 19 May 2026 19:36:38 +0000 http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=15630&page=4#post-274246 Fri, 02 Feb 2018 17:29:58 +0000 Blueth 274246@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"Many do". Indeed, when I was looking at timetables a while back to plan travel it seemed to be about 50/50 between there and South Gyle. It seems a poor investment to spend on a station where scheduling denies you potentially half of the likely users.</p> <p>As inferred above, if a train does not stop, no matter the station, then nobody will get on it, not many being as keen as acsimpson to walk the difference. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=15630&page=4#post-274242 Fri, 02 Feb 2018 16:17:38 +0000 Klaxon 274242@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Even when there were 4 trains per hour to South Gyle, they weren't clockface, so it was not a turn up and go service for people living on the route.</p> <p>If I recall correctly the fife-bound trains often left just 5 minutes apart </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=15630&page=4#post-274240 Fri, 02 Feb 2018 15:56:57 +0000 acsimpson 274240@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Given that both Gateway and South Gyle are semi stations at best they certainly aren't going to encourage any major modal shift using them. The Fife circle isn't well served at the best of times so if you remove alternative services you are left with a 2 hourly service which becomes highly unattractive. It's almost as if they want the stations to fail.</p> <p>The problem is especially rotten if you happen to live in the west of the city. Using the station in the morning to go to Fife I have to change trains at Inverkeithing as there is only one direct service and it arrives an hour early for normal commuters heading to Rosyth or Dunfermline. While in the evening I often have to walk the extra distance from South Gyle home. Their refusal to serve both stations also removes any option of me leaving a bike in the extensive parking area at Gateway.</p> <p>Despite them offering the option for borders commuters to travel directly to the Gyle there is also no direct option to travel in the other direction. Surely some Fife commuters could be persuaded to use Shawfair to travel to the Royal Infirmary if it was a convenient service.</p> <p>I'm ignoring the Aberdeen line which is reasonably well served with Gateway being a new stop rather than replacing South Gyle. It's also probably the route of chdot's comment that many trains do stop there. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=15630&page=4#post-274134 Thu, 01 Feb 2018 12:59:23 +0000 chdot 274134@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"</p> <p>He added: “Opposition politicians would be better focusing their attention on the Government’s massive road building programme, rather than one single station.”</p> <p>"</p> <p><a href="https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/our-region/edinburgh/41m-edinburgh-station-branded-a-flop-after-passenger-shortfall-1-4679602" rel="nofollow">https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/our-region/edinburgh/41m-edinburgh-station-branded-a-flop-after-passenger-shortfall-1-4679602</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=15630&page=4#post-274128 Thu, 01 Feb 2018 12:41:09 +0000 crowriver 274128@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>As a regular travellr on this line, I have noticed that the station has got noticeably busier over the past 6 months. Still quiet-ish, but anecdotally, my visual evidence concurs with the stats that usage has increased. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=15630&page=4#post-274121 Thu, 01 Feb 2018 11:49:48 +0000 PS 274121@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>To some extent this is good as there are new developments planned in the area.</em></p> <p>I think this is the key point. The UK is appalling at building infrastructure with a far-sighted view of capacity requirements. Edinburgh Gateway bucks that trend.</p> <p>But, yes:<br /> <em>It will need better walk/cycle infrastructure and probably a local shuttle bus service.</em><br /> Spot on. CEC planners really need to raise their game on this. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=15630&page=4#post-274104 Thu, 01 Feb 2018 09:39:13 +0000 chdot 274104@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>“Or actually have trains on that line serve the station?”</p> <p>Many do.</p> <p>Many complaints about trains <em>not</em> stopping at South Gyle. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=15630&page=4#post-274103 Thu, 01 Feb 2018 09:35:35 +0000 Blueth 274103@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Or actually have trains on that line serve the station? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=15630&page=4#post-274098 Thu, 01 Feb 2018 08:52:00 +0000 chdot 274098@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>“</p> <p>But despite official estimates it would see 500,000 to 600,000 passengers pass through it every year, new figures show just 230,090 visited the station in the 11 months to November. </p> <p>“</p> <p><a href="http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/15912497.__41m_railway_station_branded_a_flop_as_it_fails_to_attract_passengers/" rel="nofollow">http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/15912497.__41m_railway_station_branded_a_flop_as_it_fails_to_attract_passengers/</a></p> <p>Makes a change from grossly underestimating passenger numbers expected at new stations..</p> <p>From (limited) experience of passing through the station I’m surprised it’s approaching half the expected numbers.</p> <p>Certainly seems like nothing approaching design capacity.</p> <p>To some extent this is good as there are new developments planned in the area.</p> <p>It will need better walk/cycle infrastructure and probably a local shuttle bus service.</p> <p>AND more capacity on rush hour trains serving the station(s on that line). </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=15630&page=4#post-258427 Sun, 27 Aug 2017 13:37:36 +0000 HankChief 258427@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><a href="http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/our-region/edinburgh/41m-edinburgh-gateway-attracts-third-of-expected-passengers-1-4543692" rel="nofollow">http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/our-region/edinburgh/41m-edinburgh-gateway-attracts-third-of-expected-passengers-1-4543692</a></p> <p>Quelle surprise</p> <p>It has at least kicked off some twitter discussion about the inadequacy of bus travel in West Edinburgh. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=15630&page=4#post-239057 Wed, 14 Dec 2016 12:07:26 +0000 kaputnik 239057@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>Culross had a temporary station in 1992 for an open day at nearby Longannet Power Station</em></p> <p>Great, never knew about that one!</p> <p>And forgot that they had closed Bathgate II and built Bathgate III on a different alignment.<br /> And on that theme, Drumgelloch at the other end of the Airdrie to Coatbridge line was re-opened in 1989 on site of the old Clarkston station only to be closed and moved again when the A2B line reopened. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=15630&page=4#post-239051 Wed, 14 Dec 2016 11:21:12 +0000 chdot 239051@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"Culross(1992)"</p> <p>Don't remember that one.</p> <p>Why??</p> <p>That line could well re-open (properly) to passengers. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=15630&page=4#post-239050 Wed, 14 Dec 2016 11:13:24 +0000 AKen 239050@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Culross(1992):</p> <p><a href="https://www.railscot.co.uk/imageenlarge/imagecomplete.php?id=18443" rel="nofollow">https://www.railscot.co.uk/imageenlarge/imagecomplete.php?id=18443</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=15630&page=4#post-239034 Wed, 14 Dec 2016 09:10:52 +0000 chdot 239034@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"Bathgate (1986-2010)"</p> <p>That complicates things!</p> <p>So, is the new Bathgate part of the 77? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=15630&page=4#post-239033 Wed, 14 Dec 2016 06:27:17 +0000 Klaxon 239033@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Bathgate (1986-2010) </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=15630&page=4#post-239032 Wed, 14 Dec 2016 01:08:55 +0000 kaputnik 239032@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>Edinburgh Gateway is the 77th new station in Scotland since 1984</em></p> <p>Anyone care to raise the number that have opened and closed again in that period beyond 1? (Meadowbank Stadium) </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=15630&page=4#post-239031 Tue, 13 Dec 2016 21:54:17 +0000 acsimpson 239031@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I rode past the station today. There was one man with a camera and some staff but otherwise the place was fairly deserted. There is a lot of cameras around, most notably the drop of area which has at least 5 and almost certainly more so someone somewhere is keeping an eye on the place. I'll need to wait a few more days before I use the station though.</p> <p>I continued onwards and over the bridge to West Craigs which was passable with car on the skinny tired CX with tagalong. I hope the developers at West Craigs are going to be made to surface it before selling the first house.</p> <p>As an aside here's another example of how not to do signs.</p> <p><img src="http://i.imgur.com/dOl80pt.jpg?1"></p> <p>It raises all sorts of existential questions around when is a cyclist not a cyclist. It does confirm to me that the planners are asking me to dismount prior to riding across the bridge though. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=15630&page=4#post-238866 Mon, 12 Dec 2016 10:02:22 +0000 chdot 238866@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><a href="https://railscot.co.uk/latest.php" rel="nofollow">https://railscot.co.uk/latest.php</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=15630&page=4#post-238856 Sun, 11 Dec 2016 23:16:17 +0000 chdot 238856@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><a href="https://twitter.com/kiramt/status/808038693810409477" rel="nofollow">https://twitter.com/kiramt/status/808038693810409477</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=15630&page=4#post-238836 Sun, 11 Dec 2016 18:44:49 +0000 Klaxon 238836@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Airport integration seems to have been hacked onto the web journey planner rather than the tram stops being lodged as proper destinations nationally</p> <p>Works on ScotRail website<br /> Not on ScotRail app<br /> Not on other train operator's websites (for example, East Coast)<br /> No other tram destinations work for pre-booking (for example Balgreen) </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=15630&page=4#post-238833 Sun, 11 Dec 2016 18:21:07 +0000 chdot 238833@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"</p> <p>'for all the photos nobody else was daft enough to take......'</p> <p>"</p> <p>And why not?!</p> <p>Really great set of pix.</p> <p>Don't know why, but surprised to see <em>proper</em> integration with the tram.</p> <p>One test will come tomorrow when people 'discover' that 'their' train no longer stops at South Gyle.</p> <p>I wonder how many will regularly go to Haymarket and get a train back(?) </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=15630&page=4#post-238827 Sun, 11 Dec 2016 15:40:53 +0000 Klaxon 238827@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>MANY photos</p> <p><a href="http://www.donaldstirling.me.uk/ScottishRailways/Edinburgh-Gateway-Opening-11th/" rel="nofollow">http://www.donaldstirling.me.uk/ScottishRailways/Edinburgh-Gateway-Opening-11th/</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=15630&page=4#post-238817 Sun, 11 Dec 2016 13:15:20 +0000 chdot 238817@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I was surprised at this number -</p> <p>"</p> <p>Edinburgh Gateway is the 77th new station in Scotland since 1984</p> <p>"</p> <p><a href="https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/news/286932/what-is-edinburgh-gateway-train-station-passengers-scotrail/" rel="nofollow">https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/news/286932/what-is-edinburgh-gateway-train-station-passengers-scotrail/</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=15630&page=3#post-238816 Sun, 11 Dec 2016 13:12:41 +0000 chdot 238816@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"Is it normal to have an official openin without actually opening a station?"</p> <p>Generally don't think so.</p> <p>I was at the official opening of Dalgety Bay railway station (by local MP G Brown) in 1998. Pretty sure it had been open to passengers for a while.</p> <p>It was ages before the Queen turned up on the Borders Line. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=15630&page=3#post-238814 Sun, 11 Dec 2016 12:35:47 +0000 acsimpson 238814@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Is it normal to have an official openin without actually opening a station? Access was blocked by 6 foot fences still as of the middle of the day yesterday. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=15630&page=3#post-238811 Sun, 11 Dec 2016 11:13:37 +0000 chdot 238811@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"</p> <p>104 cycle spaces available</p> <p>"</p> <p><a href="https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/news/286932/what-is-edinburgh-gateway-train-station-passengers-scotrail" rel="nofollow">https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/news/286932/what-is-edinburgh-gateway-train-station-passengers-scotrail</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=15630&page=3#post-238810 Sun, 11 Dec 2016 11:11:13 +0000 chdot 238810@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"</p> <p>Network Rail EGIP (@NetworkRailEGIP)<br /> 11/12/2016, 09:11<br /> .@gemgemmum @EdinburghTrams @ScotRail #EdinburghGateway is now open. No parking as it's an interchange #EGIP</p> <p>" </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=15630&page=3#post-238798 Sat, 10 Dec 2016 13:35:06 +0000 HankChief 238798@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@Crowriver they are 'end-on' spaces which will probably be too much hassle for some. </p> <p>I was more thinking of cars parking there or elsewhere nearby assuming no enforcement. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=15630&page=3#post-238796 Sat, 10 Dec 2016 13:22:05 +0000 crowriver 238796@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"Time will tell how they get used/abused (plenty of scope for illegal parking/loading)"</p> <p>Just check out the pick up/drop off point at the east end of Waverley if you want an example. Hardly anyone uses it, drivers (especially private hire) prefer to 'load' on double yellows, block exits etc. nearby instead. As close as possible to the steps without having to actually do a u-turn or 3-pointer. "Mayhem" when the London trains are due to depart/arrive... </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=15630&page=3#post-238790 Sat, 10 Dec 2016 10:58:48 +0000 chdot 238790@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"</p> <p>BTP Edinburgh (@BTPEastScot)<br /> 09/12/2016, 16:30<br /> Edinburgh Gateway Station opened by the Transport Minister - we will be patrolling keeping you safe, secure and on time #ScottishRailbobs </p> <p><a href="http://pic.twitter.com/sq60PwS4G2" rel="nofollow">http://pic.twitter.com/sq60PwS4G2</a></p> <p>" </p>