http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ CityCyclingEdinburgh Forum » Topic: School Street closure en Tue, 14 Jul 2026 12:19:13 +0000 http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=15651&page=2#post-371652 Sat, 11 Nov 2023 12:03:23 +0000 chdot 371652@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>“</p> <p>Streets are for people.<br /> People build communities.<br /> Communities fight for change.</p> <p>Welcome to via Beroldo, colourful brand new school street from Milan's program #piazzeaperte for every school.</p> <p>#streetsforkids</p> <p>“</p> <p><a href="https://twitter.com/demescope/status/1714162773435801904/photo/2" rel="nofollow">https://twitter.com/demescope/status/1714162773435801904/photo/2</a></p> <p>Before and after pix</p> <p>#piazzeaperte for EVERY school </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=15651&page=2#post-370572 Tue, 19 Sep 2023 22:10:09 +0000 chdot 370572@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>“</p> <p>Not much getting done in #Edinburgh #SouthSide! @CllrScottArthur at a meeting on 12.09.23 we were repeatedly told by CEC T&amp;E officers that progress on schools T&amp;E improvments across #Edinburgh would be delayed due to insufficient staffing levels! #LEZ next summer what now?</p> <p>“</p> <p><a href="https://twitter.com/prestonstvision/status/1704015603722272779" rel="nofollow">https://twitter.com/prestonstvision/status/1704015603722272779</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=15651&page=2#post-370564 Tue, 19 Sep 2023 17:09:38 +0000 chdot 370564@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>“</p> <p>The 2020 survey showed 93% of drivers are speeding past DMains Primary. The council plan to carry out a School Travel Plan Review over the next 24 months, to develop a 5-year action plan. Kids at this School in 2020 will have left High School by then. #verylongpipeline</p> <p>“</p> <p><a href="https://twitter.com/safer_sknowes/status/1704164152833401331" rel="nofollow">https://twitter.com/safer_sknowes/status/1704164152833401331</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=15651&page=2#post-350760 Mon, 17 May 2021 11:14:52 +0000 chdot 350760@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><a href="https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/environment/pupils-urge-edinburgh-motorists-to-ditch-their-car-for-clean-air-day-3238434" rel="nofollow">https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/environment/pupils-urge-edinburgh-motorists-to-ditch-their-car-for-clean-air-day-3238434</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=15651&page=2#post-340610 Mon, 23 Nov 2020 15:47:27 +0000 jonty 340610@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>'To have went home' is a form that might not be found in a school grammar book but is pretty widely used and understood dialect I feel. Like 'he's sat over there' or 'yous should come over'. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=15651&page=2#post-340607 Mon, 23 Nov 2020 15:33:18 +0000 ejstubbs 340607@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@arellcat: <em>odd white space around the article text</em></p> <p>Yes, I get that on the EEN web site too. I think you're right that it's caused by images taking eons to load - I find that if you leave it long enough then the page does eventually render correctly. Just one more reason to try to avoid having to read their minimum-wage "reporting" IMO.</p> <p><blockquote>surely we can come up with a plan that does not make our schools look like crime scenes</blockquote></p> <p>Tell you what, maybe if fewer people chose to park illegally...no, that would never work. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=15651&page=2#post-340599 Mon, 23 Nov 2020 12:57:03 +0000 Arellcat 340599@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>If I were to go to school and see several police cars and officers then I’d have turned right back around and went home.</em></p> <p>You'd have <em>gone</em> home, not went.</p> <p>I tried to read the article, and managed as far as the headline and sub-headline. Then I tried in vain to stop the video autoplaying. I managed to read three subsequent short paragraphs before Sponsored Links by Taboola was in my face, then a photo, then odd white space around the article text, as though an image was missing, and after that I couldn't be bothered with the rest. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=15651&page=2#post-340598 Mon, 23 Nov 2020 12:50:51 +0000 Morningsider 340598@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>If a journalist is approached by "a source" who tells them that, when walking their child to school, they leg it at the sight of police officers - I reckon they should call Crimestoppers, rather than write an article. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=15651&page=2#post-340593 Mon, 23 Nov 2020 11:59:41 +0000 jonty 340593@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>If they're that concerned, large concrete blocks are much cheaper than police officers and probably more effective in this instance. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=15651&page=2#post-340592 Mon, 23 Nov 2020 11:53:38 +0000 Stickman 340592@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>What are the chances that one parent has a warrant out for them? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=15651&page=2#post-340587 Mon, 23 Nov 2020 11:42:46 +0000 chdot 340587@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>“</p> <p>has-caused-concern-one-parent</p> <p>“</p> <p>What about the one parent concerned about all the cars?? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=15651&page=2#post-340586 Mon, 23 Nov 2020 11:33:03 +0000 Stickman 340586@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><a href="https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/education/heavy-police-presence-outside-gilmerton-primary-has-caused-concern-one-parent-3043154" rel="nofollow">https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/education/heavy-police-presence-outside-gilmerton-primary-has-caused-concern-one-parent-3043154</a></p> <p><blockquote> Officers have been in regular attendance at the school following a dispute involving parents and parking.</p> <p>But one parent has said that they worry about children with negative experiences of the police and said that they may be put off from attending school or being distracted when in class thinking that something may go wrong.</p> <p>“For a lot of young people their experiences with the police have not been positive because of what is happening at home. Their presence also means that some parents, who are not comfortable with the police, will choose to not walk their child to school“</blockquote> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=15651&page=2#post-335479 Wed, 05 Aug 2020 13:49:41 +0000 gembo 335479@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Sounds good</p> <p>16 studies, the edinburgh one was an MSc dissertation</p> <p>None were peer reviewed</p> <p>But the one in Flanders - schoolstraat involved 57 schools </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=15651&page=2#post-335478 Wed, 05 Aug 2020 13:47:57 +0000 Stickman 335478@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><a href="https://www.napier.ac.uk/about-us/news/school-street-closures" rel="nofollow">https://www.napier.ac.uk/about-us/news/school-street-closures</a></p> <p><blockquote> A new report has found that school street closures can improve the number of children walking, cycling and wheeling to school without creating road safety problems.</p> <p>An increase in school street closures would also not result in traffic displacement causing road safety issues in neighbouring streets, the findings show.</p> <p>The new report - led by Dr Adrian Davis, professor of transport and health at Edinburgh Napier University - sets out the findings of a review of existing literature on the impact of school street closures designed to create safer spaces for walking, cycling or street play.</p> <p>The findings of these 16 studies have been supplemented by semi-structured telephone interviews with relevant officers responsible for local authority school street closure schemes.</p> <p>Alongside increasing active travel, the findings also suggest that in almost all cases, the total number of motor vehicles across school street closures and neighbouring streets reduced.</p> <p>There is also consistent evidence that motor traffic displacement does not cause road safety issues of any significance and that mitigating measures, where needed, have been applied successfully by local authorities.</p> <p>The report also suggests that school street closures are supported by the majority of parents and residents living on the closed and neighbouring streets and that their support increases after any trial period.</blockquote> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=15651&page=2#post-299428 Thu, 17 Jan 2019 11:53:36 +0000 rbrtwtmn 299428@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Once you go beyond simple closures...you should see what they did at this Copenhagen school. Unfortunately Streetview isn't yet up to date for all of the local street (I guess because the car didn't go down it) - but with some careful navigation you can see much of what changed.</p> <p>Old:<br /> <a href="https://goo.gl/maps/Z6b7o6vpZNv" rel="nofollow">https://goo.gl/maps/Z6b7o6vpZNv</a><br /> <a href="https://goo.gl/maps/Ey5yodVTFeA2" rel="nofollow">https://goo.gl/maps/Ey5yodVTFeA2</a><br /> <a href="https://goo.gl/maps/jCFCGk1odAT2" rel="nofollow">https://goo.gl/maps/jCFCGk1odAT2</a><br /> New:<br /> <a href="https://goo.gl/maps/ZZTSSChCLL72" rel="nofollow">https://goo.gl/maps/ZZTSSChCLL72</a><br /> <a href="https://goo.gl/maps/FdjW6BdX3UC2" rel="nofollow">https://goo.gl/maps/FdjW6BdX3UC2</a><br /> <a href="https://goo.gl/maps/S2JChcroxJx" rel="nofollow">https://goo.gl/maps/S2JChcroxJx</a></p> <p>Basically the playground has spilled out into the street, so while you can still drive along it the street (I guess) it is very narrow and slow.</p> <p>Streetview IS all up to date on the other, less exciting, side of the school:</p> <p>Old<br /> <a href="https://goo.gl/maps/dzLM8n8QE1L2" rel="nofollow">https://goo.gl/maps/dzLM8n8QE1L2</a><br /> New<br /> <a href="https://goo.gl/maps/hRM3bqBHBwR2" rel="nofollow">https://goo.gl/maps/hRM3bqBHBwR2</a></p> <p>These views through the school are illustrative:<br /> Old<br /> <a href="https://goo.gl/maps/fmJBDaZ7UQt" rel="nofollow">https://goo.gl/maps/fmJBDaZ7UQt</a><br /> <a href="https://goo.gl/maps/7SQFuX7MQWD2" rel="nofollow">https://goo.gl/maps/7SQFuX7MQWD2</a><br /> New<br /> <a href="https://goo.gl/maps/MBddM4JNYo62" rel="nofollow">https://goo.gl/maps/MBddM4JNYo62</a><br /> <a href="https://goo.gl/maps/oMGo1XGH34U2" rel="nofollow">https://goo.gl/maps/oMGo1XGH34U2</a></p> <p>Of course the Netherlands has been doing this for so long that most of the changes pre-date Streetview. Here's one I know:<br /> <a href="https://goo.gl/maps/N2x8go3jCWt" rel="nofollow">https://goo.gl/maps/N2x8go3jCWt</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=15651&page=2#post-299343 Tue, 15 Jan 2019 21:02:22 +0000 Stickman 299343@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><a href="https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/transport/school-traffic-ban-could-be-rolled-out-across-midlothian-1-4856769" rel="nofollow">https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/transport/school-traffic-ban-could-be-rolled-out-across-midlothian-1-4856769</a></p> <p>“A BAN on traffic outside two primary schools during certain times of the day could be rolled out across Midlothian despite opposition from teachers.</p> <p>However, a report which will be presented to Midlothian councillors this week revealed that the biggest group of objectors to the scheme were teaching staff – who were also banned from driving to their work.“ </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=15651&page=2#post-278831 Wed, 28 Mar 2018 10:25:31 +0000 jonty 278831@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>&gt; Had occasion to be standing outside Sick Kids today at schools out time for Sciennes..</p> <p>Happily, according to the latest plans for the Sick Kids site, there will be no access to the development from that side, which should allow the road to be blocked outside the development (and presumably enable de-roadification of the school playgrounds.) </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=15651&page=2#post-278827 Wed, 28 Mar 2018 09:10:28 +0000 acsimpson 278827@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>"Cllr Karen Doran, Vice Transport Convener, said: “We’re currently carrying out a consultation...</em></p> <p>Does anyone else here the swish of long grass. Consultations really do seem to have become the death of progress in this council. If it was designed for cars they would build the crossing and then apologise later that their hands were tied. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=15651&page=2#post-278793 Tue, 27 Mar 2018 17:11:24 +0000 Stickman 278793@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><a href="https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/education/edinburgh-school-at-centre-of-road-safety-campaign-as-parents-demand-a-crossing-1-4713361" rel="nofollow">https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/education/edinburgh-school-at-centre-of-road-safety-campaign-as-parents-demand-a-crossing-1-4713361</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=15651#post-278791 Tue, 27 Mar 2018 16:48:27 +0000 shuggiet 278791@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Had occasion to be standing outside Sick Kids today at schools out time for Sciennes. The School Street Closure flashing lightes were ignored by about 40 cars (including 4 taxis), none of whom stopped at Sick Kids. One particular car must have been going about 40 mph through it as well. Must be really frustrating for Sciennes' Parents. Will drop a line to councillors.</p> <p>Also mighty suspicious group of 5 teenage boys at 2.30pm, riding eclectic range of bikes for their age (2 fold up Brompton styles, one heavy oversized city commuter bike -like a Charge). Paying an unusual interest in bikes locked to lampposts...One went by the name of Campbell. They didn't do anything other than stop or cycle slowly past bikes though, so my interest in them may be misplaced. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=15651#post-268345 Thu, 30 Nov 2017 20:21:28 +0000 Stickman 268345@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><a href="https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/our-region/edinburgh/edinburgh-pupils-on-the-march-to-urge-drivers-to-slow-down-1-4627862" rel="nofollow">https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/our-region/edinburgh/edinburgh-pupils-on-the-march-to-urge-drivers-to-slow-down-1-4627862</a></p> <p>Staggering hypocrisy from John MacLellan, complaining about cars speeding down wide residential streets. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=15651#post-228353 Fri, 26 Aug 2016 09:16:23 +0000 SRD 228353@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>On BBC Radio Scotland NOW - phone in 'expanding school streets scheme across Scotland' </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=15651#post-228270 Thu, 25 Aug 2016 11:27:48 +0000 crowriver 228270@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>BTW I responded to the consultation and the 'issues' identified correspond to my experience. </p> <p>Parents dropping off just outside the restricted zone, "loading" on double yellows while parked across a pedestrian crossing? Check.</p> <p>Parents ignoring the ban because of lack of enforcement? Check.</p> <p>Parents flouting the ban completely whenever the weather's a bit wet? Check. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=15651#post-228267 Thu, 25 Aug 2016 11:22:37 +0000 crowriver 228267@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Living Streets Scot<br /> ‏@LStreetsScot<br /> Year one report shows @Edinburgh_CC school streets pilot is helping kids walk to school </p> <p><a href="https://t.co/S95VPiog1T" rel="nofollow">https://t.co/S95VPiog1T</a></p> <p>From the report (link to download PDF above), my emphasis:</p> <p>3.1 Issues and suggestions were also provided through initial engagement exercises, and follow-on statutory consultation exercises, as well as via service requests and correspondence received from residents and the school community. The main themes to emerge through stakeholder feedback were (in priority order):</p> <p>- <strong>road restrictions will not be/are not obeyed unless the police are present</strong>: 223;<br /> - the problem will move/has moved elsewhere: 142;<br /> - School Streets perceived as beneficial: 129;<br /> - School Streets perceived as an inconvenience: 65;<br /> - the signage is not clear: 48;<br /> - School Streets has made no difference: 35;<br /> - School Streets has helped local residents park more easily: 15; and<br /> - School Streets is causing conflict between parents: 6. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=15651#post-210633 Tue, 02 Feb 2016 17:54:04 +0000 wingpig 210633@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><blockquote><em>"...the end game is a closed road so the kids can play across the road."</em></blockquote></p> <p>Leith Primary got a bit of St Andrew Place (already fenced-off at the Duncan Place end) fenced-off to use as extra playground, albeit ostensibly temporarily whilst some of the playground is occupied by the ostensibly temporary nursery Portakabin, since the nursery was in the Duncan Place building. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=15651#post-210632 Tue, 02 Feb 2016 17:47:37 +0000 acsimpson 210632@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>There can't be many locations where the quickest route to Sick Kids is across the front of the school. Guess it will have to wait until the hospital relocates then. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=15651#post-210630 Tue, 02 Feb 2016 17:34:46 +0000 Nelly 210630@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"Is there any reason a barrier couldn't be erected outside the school during the road closure times?"</p> <p>Might cause some damage to the ambulances accessing the sick kids :-)</p> <p>Don't worry, this is the start - the end game is a closed road so the kids can play across the road. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=15651#post-210627 Tue, 02 Feb 2016 17:20:39 +0000 acsimpson 210627@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Parent's seemed well behaved at Sciennes this afternoon except for three one at least of which had a blue badge. Non parents on the other hand were certainly not well behanved.</p> <p>Kudos to the kid who strolled slowly across the road and stopped to give a couple of approaching cars a long hard stare as they drove past the flashing lights.</p> <p>One Dad did have a chat with a driver, it's just a shame he waited until one minute after the road reopened to do so.</p> <p>I'm not sure the closure is long enough. Having watched it from about 3PM when the road was abandoned after the infants had cleared the older kids then came out at 3.20 but hadn't cleared by the time the road reopened at 3.30. Is there any reason a barrier couldn't be erected outside the school during the road closure times? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=15651#post-209784 Wed, 27 Jan 2016 10:19:21 +0000 crowriver 209784@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>It would appear that a wee drop of rain magically waives the ban on parents driving to the school gates to drop off kids. Or at least, that's what you'd think to judge by the behaviour of around a dozen drivers this morning on Abbey Street.</p> <p>I'm now starting to see that enforcement will be essential for the future efficacy of the School Streets scheme. People are just lazy and don't like walking in the rain. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=15651#post-208802 Mon, 18 Jan 2016 13:55:53 +0000 crowriver 208802@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Maybe the school didn't apply? It's a pilot scheme (initially for 5 schools, since extended to 10, but 2 schools withdrew): schools have to apply, and are then assessed against criteria. The shortlist, criteria scoring, etc. is all buried somewhere on the council web site education pages... </p>