http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ CityCyclingEdinburgh Forum » Topic: Removal of Cycle Lane en Tue, 19 May 2026 03:29:21 +0000 http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=15688#post-203126 Thu, 29 Oct 2015 12:58:25 +0000 I were right about that saddle 203126@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@Min</p> <p>Right, that's my jets cooled. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=15688#post-203123 Thu, 29 Oct 2015 12:48:46 +0000 Min 203123@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I employed it going from Lady Road to Dalkeith Road and if the lights were red at the roundabout. If they aren't, I am not sure how you are supposed to get on to it without getting killed. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=15688#post-203121 Thu, 29 Oct 2015 12:44:59 +0000 I were right about that saddle 203121@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@Min</p> <p>Intriguing. I suppose I should give it a whirl to see if my prejudices are at all justified. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=15688#post-203120 Thu, 29 Oct 2015 12:42:19 +0000 Min 203120@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Yes, I used it when the lights were right. I thought it was handy. I have also seen other people using it. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=15688#post-203113 Thu, 29 Oct 2015 12:01:05 +0000 wingpig 203113@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I pondered that not long ago and a couple of people said it was useful, if you knew the timings.<br /> <a href="http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=14657&amp;page=6#post-195438">Min and Rabid Hamster</a>. Amir said he'd seen someone on it once, too. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=15688#post-203105 Thu, 29 Oct 2015 11:19:05 +0000 I were right about that saddle 203105@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I've often pondered the question of whether or not the <a href="https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@55.9286197,-3.1604339,3a,75y,271.79h,79.47t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sRNmdk37JQ7dKIUlgctarDg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656">bike lane across the middle of the Old Dalkeith Road/Lady Road roundabout</a> should be removed or left as a monument to absurdist cycle infrastructure.</p> <p>Anybody ever used it? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=15688#post-203077 Thu, 29 Oct 2015 10:14:01 +0000 fimm 203077@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@gembo I had a go at that road <a href="https://wisob.wordpress.com/2015/04/01/on-reengineeringing-the-lanark-road/">myself.</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=15688#post-203068 Thu, 29 Oct 2015 09:35:01 +0000 crowriver 203068@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Mandatory cycle lanes simply mean that motor vehicles are not allowed to enter them: like bus lanes during the hours of operation. It does not mean that bikes cannot leave them (how would you turn right?) just as buses can leave the bus lane f they wish or need to... </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=15688#post-203063 Thu, 29 Oct 2015 08:13:06 +0000 gembo 203063@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Mandatory should mean cars cannot park in them. This seems not to be possible see even darker sides Glasgow segregated path which has illegal car wash in the middle. </p> <p>Putting the cycle lane outside the parking is admitting defeat. Can work but leaves you susceptible to car dooring and well out in primary. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=15688#post-203060 Thu, 29 Oct 2015 07:24:31 +0000 Klaxon 203060@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Solid white lines mark cycle only lanes, and just like bus lanes, cycles can leave any time. The only 'mandatory' cycle lanes in the sense you suggest would be one adjacent to a road where cycling is explicitly prohibited like the A1. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=15688#post-203059 Thu, 29 Oct 2015 01:55:26 +0000 Snowy 203059@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Following on from that, how do people feel about mandatory cycle lanes versus advisory lanes? Would that be considered an upgrade?<br /> We know the problems with advisory lanes, e.g. that they are often a bit of PR and are frequently useless, irrelevant, and unenforceable. Yet, mandatory lanes may force an unsafe inflexibility in road position for the cyclist..and in Edinburgh, drivers simply aren't used to them and may not know the difference. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=15688#post-203058 Thu, 29 Oct 2015 01:47:12 +0000 Snowy 203058@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Question: if a lane is signed for 'bus/taxi/cycles only', and it is marked by a solid white line, does that make it mandatory for cycles during the hours of operation? Is it an offence to for a cycle to leave that lane in order, for example, to overtake a stopped bus? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=15688#post-203044 Wed, 28 Oct 2015 23:28:40 +0000 gembo 203044@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Yes. Would be good if the dual carriageway from Gillespie crossroads down to slateford was turned into a bike bus lane and a car lane. Fair few pinch points at islands across and cars parked on the road. Sadly as you may know this was where Andrew mcnichol was killed. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=15688#post-203043 Wed, 28 Oct 2015 23:23:27 +0000 Rob 203043@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Valid point. My initial post may have been a bit too negative, perhaps "Redesign an Unusable Cycle Lane" would've been a better approach! Your suggestion sent me down a much more positive line of thinking.</p> <p>So, what are the problems here?</p> <p><ul><li>Cycle lanes intermittently overlapped by parked cars, encouraging cyclists to weave in and out of the lane</li><li>Cycle lanes too narrow through pinch points</li><br /> </ul></p> <p>After browsing through all sorts of fancy options in the <a href="http://www.sustrans.org.uk/sites/default/files/file_content_type/sustrans_handbook_for_cycle-friendly_design_11_04_14.pdf">Sustrans Design Manual</a> I came up with a simpler idea:</p> <p><ol type="1"><li>Remove the parking from one side of the road</li><li>Widen the parking bay on the remaining side</li><li>Widen the cycle lanes</li><br /> </ol> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=15688#post-203025 Wed, 28 Oct 2015 20:28:07 +0000 crowriver 203025@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Absolutely, Morningsider. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=15688#post-202979 Wed, 28 Oct 2015 16:02:05 +0000 Morningsider 202979@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Don't ask the Council to remove bike lanes - ask them to improve them. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=15688#post-202965 Wed, 28 Oct 2015 14:38:37 +0000 559 202965@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>West Granton Road, usually covered with parked cars. total waste of money. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=15688#post-202910 Wed, 28 Oct 2015 11:08:28 +0000 Luath 202910@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I'm with Erob. The trouble with these 'cycle lanes' is that a number of drivers, over and above those that would give you close pass anyway, believe that cyclists *must* be in the lane and that any other position is a deliberate attempt to get in the way of their very important lives. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=15688#post-202892 Wed, 28 Oct 2015 01:03:51 +0000 crowriver 202892@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I use this Craigentinny route all the time to get to Telferton. Yes, it is pretty crap but that route is preferable to the much busier London Road/Portobello Road or Seafield Road alternatives. Though Seafield Road does have a very usable shared use path, to get to Telferton you have to forgo nearly all of this nice path, or go the long way round and cut back along Portobello High Street...</p> <p>As for the close passes, these will happen regardless of a bit of paint on the tarmac, as we all know. Pinch points are, in my view, best ridden by 'taking the lane' (but shoulder check first in case an impatient drivist is about to try an overtake imminently). </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=15688#post-202891 Wed, 28 Oct 2015 00:59:32 +0000 Stickman 202891@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>The "cycle lane" on Morrison St between Torphichen and Haymarket.</p> <p>It sandwiches cyclists between lanes of moving traffic. You wouldn't advise filtering between two buses, but it could put you in that position if two come up behind and pass by. </p> <p>It does nothing to make cyclists safer, and encourages driver aggression. You have to be pretty confident to take the lane instead. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=15688#post-202890 Wed, 28 Oct 2015 00:43:19 +0000 Ed1 202890@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>possibly not </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=15688#post-202888 Wed, 28 Oct 2015 00:15:45 +0000 Rob 202888@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>This may seem like a weird topic for a cycling forum but bear with me! The cycle lane I'd like to nominate for removal is along Craigentinny Road:</p> <p><a href="https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@55.9604172,-3.134915,3a,75y,92.49h,75.05t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1siSh52ZmxymbBHLBuQXeYhw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656">Street view</a></p> <p><a href="https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@55.9601484,-3.1382148,3a,75y,246.56h,70.48t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sv6kDQ6z6IukvQY4ZbtRwUw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656">Street view</a></p> <p>It is completely unusable for most of its length (door zone? More like "mirror zone"). The parts where it is usable are likely to leave you boxed in at the numerous pinch points.</p> <p>Would anyone here use it? Were cycle lanes like these really designed for cyclists? I think I'd get less close passes and "grief" if they weren't there at all.</p> <p>Does anyone else have a cycle lane to nominate? </p>