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CityCyclingEdinburgh Forum » Topic: Shared space proposed at busy bus station entrance http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ CityCyclingEdinburgh Forum » Topic: Shared space proposed at busy bus station entrance en Tue, 19 May 2026 10:01:58 +0000 CycleAlex on "Shared space proposed at busy bus station entrance" http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=15693&page=3#post-330510 Sat, 23 May 2020 12:52:41 +0000 CycleAlex 330510@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ I noticed in an Advertising Consent application that it seems the Elder Street crossing will actually be single stage and segregated after all! Looks like traffic going west on York Place also won't use the tram lane which is good. Perhaps someone at CEC finally decided that not building an awful crossing was more important than traffic flow. <a href="https://citydev-portal.edinburgh.gov.uk/idoxpa-web/applicationDetails.do?activeTab=documents&keyVal=QAMC3LEWIOW00">20/02076/ADV</a> (01-LOCATION PLAN) <img src="https://i.imgur.com/XbejR5i.png"> Fountainbridge on "Shared space proposed at busy bus station entrance" http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=15693&page=3#post-214122 Sun, 13 Mar 2016 13:34:15 +0000 Fountainbridge 214122@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ I'd expect that a planning application primarily about road layout would have an official comment from the council roads department. Nothing from them though. This entire site was supposed to improve things for non-car users, but seems it's being made worse. neddie on "Shared space proposed at busy bus station entrance" http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=15693&page=3#post-214049 Fri, 11 Mar 2016 18:08:37 +0000 neddie 214049@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ DETERMINATION OF APPLICATION APPLICATION FOR APPROVAL OF MATTERS SPECIFIED IN CONDITION 23(IX) OF PLANNING PERMISSION 08/03361/OUT RELATING TO THE ROAD LAYOUT AT ELDER STREET AND ITS JUNCTIONS WITH YORK PLACE AND ST JAMES PLACE AND ASSOCIATED HARD AND SOFT LANDSCAPING DETAILS UNDER CONDITION 23(XVII) at ST JAMES CENTRE EDINBURGH EH1 3SS REFERENCE NUMBER: 15/04868/AMC (SCHEME: ) The City of Edinburgh Council has determined the application as follows: Decision: APPROVED Any condition(s) attached to this consent, with reasons for imposing them, or reasons for refusal, are shown below; Conditions:- Infomatives It should be noted that: 1. In relation to Condition 23(ix) and 23(xvii) of permission 08/03361/OUT - the general layout of the signalised junctions, including cycle and pedestrian facilities, is approved subject to full design and specification of all civil and signal works, and street furniture being submitted and agreed under separate application for road occupation. All works associated with the signalisation (including lane markings, re-surfacing, civil works, etc.) shall be carried out at no cost to the Council. 2. The Council is currently consulting on the details of the layout and operation of the signals in relation to cyclists and pedestrians and the Roseburn to Leith cycle route. Final design of the junction will be dependent on the results of that consultation. 3. For the avoidance of doubt, the phrase "works on site" in Informative 6 of permission 14/05263/AMC relates to works on the road at the junction of Elder Street, York Place and St. James Place and not to the construction of the St. James Centre itself; 4. The proposed site is on or adjacent to the Edinburgh Tram which is now operational. Tram power lines are over 5m above the tracks and do not pose a danger to pedestrians and motorists at ground level or to those living and working in the vicinity of the tramway. However, the applicant should be informed that there are potential dangers and, prior to commencing work near the tramway, a safe method of working must be agreed with the Council and authorisation to work obtained. Authorisation is needed for any of the following works either on or near the tramway: o Any work where part of the site such as tools, materials, machines, suspended loads or where people could enter the Edinburgh Tram Hazard Zone. For example, window cleaning or other work involving the use of ladders; o Any work which could force pedestrians or road traffic to be diverted into the Edinburgh Trams Hazard Zone; o Piling, using a crane, excavating more than 2m or erecting and dismantling scaffolding within 4m of the Edinburgh Trams Hazard Zone; o Any excavation within 3m of any pole supporting overhead lines; o Any work on sites near the tramway where vehicles fitted with cranes, tippers or skip loaders could come within the Edinburgh Trams Hazard Zone when the equipment is in use; o The Council has issued guidance to residents and businesses along the tram route and to other key organisations who may require access along the line. See full guidance on how to get permission to work near a tram way <a href="http://edinburghtrams.com/community/working-around-trams" rel="nofollow">http://edinburghtrams.com/community/working-around-trams</a> This determination does not carry with it any necessary consent or approval for the proposed development under other statutory enactments. 11 March 2016 neddie on "Shared space proposed at busy bus station entrance" http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=15693&page=3#post-214048 Fri, 11 Mar 2016 18:07:00 +0000 neddie 214048@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ TOWN AND COUNTRY PLANNING SCOTLAND ACT 1997 APPLICATION FOR APPROVAL OF MATTERS SPECIFIED IN CONDITION 23(IX) OF PLANNING PERMISSION 08/03361/OUT RELATING TO THE ROAD LAYOUT AT ELDER STREET AND ITS JUNCTIONS WITH YORK PLACE AND ST JAMES PLACE AND ASSOCIATED HARD AND SOFT LANDSCAPING DETAILS UNDER CONDITION 23(XVII) at ST JAMES CENTRE EDINBURGH EH1 3SS REFERENCE NUMBER: 15/04868/AMC (SCHEME: SCHEME 1) NOTIFICATION OF DECISION I am writing with regard to the above application to which you raised representations. The City of Edinburgh Council has now determined that the application be Approved in accordance with the particulars given in the application.The decision with any conditions, reasons and/or informatives can be found on the other side of this letter. Full details of the final scheme, including the report assessing the application, can be found on the Council website at <a href="http://www.edinburgh.gov.uk/planning" rel="nofollow">http://www.edinburgh.gov.uk/planning</a> . The reason for the decision was The proposed road layout and associated hard and soft landscaping details are all acceptable. The proposals accord with the principle established under the Outline Planning Permission. There will be no significant impact on the character and appearance of the conservation area, nor will there be any road safety implications. It will have a positive impact on equalities and human rights. There are no material considerations that outweigh this conclusion. If you have a specific enquiry regarding the application please contact Emma Wilson directly on 0131 529 3634. Yours sincerely Ann Lee Customer Support Assistant Fountainbridge on "Shared space proposed at busy bus station entrance" http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=15693&page=3#post-205162 Sun, 22 Nov 2015 20:21:48 +0000 Fountainbridge 205162@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ Took another look at the junction to try and work out how they can fit the new 2 way cycle route in without narrowing the pavement. Straight ahead traffic will use the westbound tram lane (not sure how they will merge though). Left turning traffic will be moved outwards to take up the area currently hatched. The cycle route will then take up the lower part of the pavement and area "saved" from the hatching. So will the cycle route be raised to pavement level. lowered to road level, or half way between? <a href="https://flic.kr/p/Aq7hbd"><img src="https://farm1.staticflickr.com/763/22588951104_f6d5b657c0_n.jpg"></a><a href="https://flic.kr/p/Aq7hbd">151122165659IMG_3925</a> by <a href="https://www.flickr.com/photos/130059894@N04/">Paul Fountain</a>, on Flickr Tulyar on "Shared space proposed at busy bus station entrance" http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=15693&page=2#post-205112 Sat, 21 Nov 2015 15:49:07 +0000 Tulyar 205112@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ PS you might note that there are 2 contractors providing the 900 service coaches (8 movement per hour at St Andrew Square bus station) - 4 if you count the 1 owned by Citylink and the Fife Scottish vehicle that adds a commuter trip in the evenings. (Stagecoach) Western Scottish run the hour and xx30 through the day and Parks xx15 xx45. Bruces run the same route hourly. For greatest comfort and a relaxed attitude on bagging the Brompton, I use Bruces, and their Cataeno coaches have faster opening locker doors than the Citylink Plaxtons. Parks run coach charter & tours in addition to service coach work, and I suspect that they keep their older drivers, with more matured driving habits for the coach party work. 20 years ago it was a Parks driver I reported for counting up his cash and reconciling the ticket machine as we were rattling along the M8 at 100Kph, and drifting on to the hard shoulder - and just last year a passenger filmed another Parks driver doing exactly the same thing! Those of you who remember the old St Andrew Square Bus Station will remember that it had 2 lanes going out directly into St Andrew Square, and operated with buses going in via Elder Street and out as noted. The operating apron was also about twice the size and the 'uphill' bus bays lined up with the exit to the St James's Centre. The redevelopment work found that by shoehorning in a cul-de-sac bus station, there was a substantial opportunity to put in more retail units and office accommodation. But is would take just one serious crash ie bus/coach hits pedestrian or similar to lock up all movements in or out of the bus station/Elder Street. I also sense that when the place was designed it was built to just suit the services then running ie 3 x 900 per hour - now 5 per hour during day, far fewer Ferrytoll/Fife services. 1 x 95 and 1 x 62 per hour - both now 2 per hour. I'd venture to suggest that putting a new bus station at Haymarket, and bringing routes from the east side across via Mellville Drive and Tollcross would make a great deal of sense - as it can take over 10 minutes to get from Haymarket to St Andrew Square (adding 20+ minutes to a service which runs with a 15 minute frequency!) A location with good connections to the centre by rail and tram as well. Fountainbridge on "Shared space proposed at busy bus station entrance" http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=15693&page=2#post-205085 Fri, 20 Nov 2015 17:33:57 +0000 Fountainbridge 205085@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ acsimpson you are correct that most of the cycle track is outside the realms of this application. The cycle track crossing IS within the realms of this application though. I'm guessing the loading bay's are for the hotels on York Place. acsimpson on "Shared space proposed at busy bus station entrance" http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=15693&page=2#post-205071 Fri, 20 Nov 2015 15:27:25 +0000 acsimpson 205071@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ Am I right in thinking that the cycle path itself is outside the scope of this particular application? The three parking spaces on elder Street seem a little strange. The shops must have delivery facilities and other cars should be able to use the vast new multi story. SRD on "Shared space proposed at busy bus station entrance" http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=15693&page=2#post-205062 Fri, 20 Nov 2015 14:12:19 +0000 SRD 205062@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ I'm afraid that shared space there just translates into might versus right, and given the number of elderly, visually-impaired and otherwise less nimble folks I encounter in that area, I don't think it's the right call at all. neddie on "Shared space proposed at busy bus station entrance" http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=15693&page=2#post-205056 Fri, 20 Nov 2015 13:30:07 +0000 neddie 205056@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ That's a very good objection from Living Streets. Although I'm not sure I agree there should be a zebra crossing opposite Multrees. Shared space is shared space - there should be no need to kettle pedestrians on to a zebra. What is very frustrating is that essentially 'amateurs' are having to tell the designers that the design:- - does not comply with the law (Equality Act) - conflicts with the City Council’s Street Design Guidance - conflicts with the City Council’s Active Travel Action Plan - etc. wingpig on "Shared space proposed at busy bus station entrance" http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=15693&page=2#post-205055 Fri, 20 Nov 2015 13:28:47 +0000 wingpig 205055@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ Also, (GRIPPY) slopes/dropped kerbs to be able to get onto the cycle path from both directions along Queen Street and a nice way of getting onto the westbound path if coming out of Elder St, rather than at a very shallow angle to the dropped kerb, as at Argyle Place (not that there'd be the same problem with leaves). Possibly stagger the stop lines for left/right lanes exiting Elder St, to keep left-turn buses back a bit to give right-turn buses more space for turning to stop them crunching up the footway slabs on the north side of York Place? Shift the implied waiting-space for the ped crossing from Elder St east footway across bus station mouth, so that they're not being collected just where the footway is really narrow? wingpig on "Shared space proposed at busy bus station entrance" http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=15693&page=2#post-205047 Fri, 20 Nov 2015 12:04:49 +0000 wingpig 205047@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ The first link on the first page ended up at what looked like an expired search result. I got back into it by searching for "Elder St" then choosing the one which wasn't someone's heating ventilation application. Maybe it works because it's the Documents tab of the application rather than the cover/details? chdot on "Shared space proposed at busy bus station entrance" http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=15693&page=2#post-205045 Fri, 20 Nov 2015 11:57:15 +0000 chdot 205045@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ That link worked! Has the Portal changed or have I previously done it 'wrong'? Whenever I have tried to share links it led to 'session expired' messages. acsimpson on "Shared space proposed at busy bus station entrance" http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=15693&page=2#post-205043 Fri, 20 Nov 2015 11:49:53 +0000 acsimpson 205043@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ Cheers wingpig on "Shared space proposed at busy bus station entrance" http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=15693&page=2#post-205042 Fri, 20 Nov 2015 11:43:03 +0000 wingpig 205042@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <a href="https://citydev-portal.edinburgh.gov.uk/idoxpa-web/applicationDetails.do?activeTab=documents&keyVal=NWOCGVEWIIV00" rel="nofollow">https://citydev-portal.edinburgh.gov.uk/idoxpa-web/applicationDetails.do?activeTab=documents&keyVal=NWOCGVEWIIV00</a> acsimpson on "Shared space proposed at busy bus station entrance" http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=15693&page=2#post-205041 Fri, 20 Nov 2015 11:41:16 +0000 acsimpson 205041@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ Does anyone have a link to the proposals on the council's systems? wingpig on "Shared space proposed at busy bus station entrance" http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=15693&page=2#post-205040 Fri, 20 Nov 2015 11:30:27 +0000 wingpig 205040@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ I have all the documents open so will get something in by the end of the day. Recommending no staggering of crossings, extending the island to the north and a bit to the west at its north end, making the signals reactive/yellow-boxing the junction (in part to try and prevent the common occurrence of a bus simultaneously blocking westbound traffic on York Place and the pedestrian crossing, when one emerges when there is no westbound space), shifting the east chunk of pedestrian crossing south slightly (so it directly abuts the loading zone) as part of the unstaggering, widening the footway on the northwest corner of the station exit, considering another ped crossing across the dead space which people will inevitable end up scampering across as the most direct route, unstepping and shifting bike racks (as per Living Streets) and sensible use of extremely sturdy bollards to make sure nothing skims over the edges of the footway where people will be standing/waiting with bikes when buses try to sweep in and out too fast. SRD on "Shared space proposed at busy bus station entrance" http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=15693&page=2#post-205038 Fri, 20 Nov 2015 11:23:58 +0000 SRD 205038@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ the Living Streets Edinburgh objection is on-line here: <a href="http://www.livingstreetsedinburgh.org.uk/2015/11/19/objection-from-living-streets-edinburgh-to-planning-application-york-place-elder-st/" rel="nofollow">http://www.livingstreetsedinburgh.org.uk/2015/11/19/objection-from-living-streets-edinburgh-to-planning-application-york-place-elder-st/</a> chdot on "Shared space proposed at busy bus station entrance" http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=15693&page=2#post-205031 Fri, 20 Nov 2015 10:24:08 +0000 chdot 205031@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ One problem here is the institutional mindset not just about 'traffic flow' but also numbers of people. Early (CEC) objections to improving things for cyclists (and pedestrians) on Leith Walk were related to 'mustn't inconvenient buses'. Partly this reflected the fact that LB has a big influence and partly the 'working hierarchy' that there were many more people on buses than bikes. Not enough thought about restricting the volume of vehicles impending buses and bikes. Of course by the bus station the pedestrians are likely to be going to and from buses! Once again the whole problem of lack of consideration of people and their actual journeys. For some reason it's ok to build cycle infrastructure where priority isn't high on roads and junctions and people walking along Princes Street have to give way to people like them who happen to be passing on a bus. UtrechtCyclist on "Shared space proposed at busy bus station entrance" http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=15693&page=2#post-205030 Fri, 20 Nov 2015 09:49:33 +0000 UtrechtCyclist 205030@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ Thanks Fountainbridge, I see it now. I wrote this on the train to work this morning, it's a little rushed but I saw that there are only seven objections at the moment so wanted to include mine. If anybody else wants to object that would be great! I object to this proposal on two grounds. Firstly that the junction of York Place and Elder Street is designed as to give priority to cars over pedestrians and cyclists. Secondly that Elder Street itself has been designed with too little thought for pedestrians and cyclists. On the first point, the council's 'Hierarchy of Provision' indicates that streets should be designed in such a way as to encourage walking and cycling over other transport methods. Two stage crossings, whereby pedestrians have to queue at two separate sets of lights in order to cross a single road, are fundamentally at odds with this principle, and in Jan Gehl's report to the council on making Edinburgh a liveable city it was recommended that all two-stage crossings be removed in favour of more pedestrian-friendly infrastructure. This junction lies on the council's flagship Roseburn-Leith cycle route, and the junction as designed will heavily compromise this route making it slow and unattractive. The junction should be designed so as to allow pedestrians and cyclists to cross in a single go. There are several factors making this junction particularly easy for designing in such a way as to provide well for pedestrians and cyclists. In particular, the junction is very wide, allowing for separate filter lanes for traffic moving in different directions, and has only three arms. In these circumstances it should be possible to provide for a crossing for cyclists and pedestrians that is not staggered. For example, one might sequence the traffic lights as follows. Stage 1: Traffic turns left out of Elder St into York Place and right from York Place into Elder St. Stage 2: Traffic turns right out of Elder St into York Place and left from York Place into Elder St. Stage 3. Traffic on York place travels straight on, pedestrians and cyclists cross the whole junction in one go. This traffic sequencing allows for a much more active-travel friendly environment. On the second point, it seems that currently there is little provision for cyclists travelling down Elder St. to turn easily onto the segregated cycle routes, and pavements are narrow with many signalised crossings. This should be improved. Anyway, if anyone else has time to object today please do! Fountainbridge on "Shared space proposed at busy bus station entrance" http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=15693&page=2#post-204904 Wed, 18 Nov 2015 18:09:52 +0000 Fountainbridge 204904@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ Comments need to be in by Friday I think (although I can't find this anywhere on the website). Load up the planning app, click on Details Tab, Summary, then important dates. The last date for public comments is "Latest Advertisement Expiry Date" I wish they'd supply some summarised vehicle movement rates That's probably in the previous planning appp for the St james centre. This application only related to the street layout at Elder Street which was refused previously. No idea why this junction was refused given the rest wasn't much better wingpig on "Shared space proposed at busy bus station entrance" http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=15693&page=2#post-204817 Wed, 18 Nov 2015 10:53:07 +0000 wingpig 204817@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ I wish they'd supply some summarised vehicle movement rates in various time-bands alongside the ground plans for these things, along with the proposed light-phasing stages and timings; similarly if there's a need to tie-in timings to other nearby light-controlled signals which would prevent this one from being time-variable/tidal or adaptaive. UtrechtCyclist on "Shared space proposed at busy bus station entrance" http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=15693&page=2#post-204812 Wed, 18 Nov 2015 10:27:45 +0000 UtrechtCyclist 204812@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ I get that this is a difficult junction to design. But ultimately it's a T-junction, and these are much easier than crossroads. There's also masses of space, so there are different lanes for left turning traffic/traffic going straight on / right turning traffic at each point. I don't see why you can't have a continuous crossing for pedestrians and bikes that goes as follows. Stage 1: Traffic from Elder Street turns left into York Place, Eastbound traffic on York Place turns right into Elder Street. Stage 2: Traffic from Elder Street turns right into York Place, Westbound traffic on York Place turns left into Elder Street. Stage 3: Traffic on York Place goes straight on. Pedestrians and bikes get a green light to cross the whole width of Elder street. There appear to be enough lanes for this to work. I don't think anyone gets in the way of the trams. In fact I don't understand what phasing they were planning that would require pedestrians to undertake a two-step crossing... Comments need to be in by Friday I think (although I can't find this anywhere on the website). Fountainbridge on "Shared space proposed at busy bus station entrance" http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=15693&page=2#post-204703 Tue, 17 Nov 2015 12:31:38 +0000 Fountainbridge 204703@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ Plans from Roseburn cycle consultation <a href="https://consultationhub.edinburgh.gov.uk/sfc/roseburntoleith" rel="nofollow">https://consultationhub.edinburgh.gov.uk/sfc/roseburntoleith</a> So full width pavement is to remain? Can't see how they can also squeeze in a 2.5m bike lane, plus 2 lanes of traffic in to the space. <a href="https://flic.kr/p/Azvsy2"><img src="https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5751/22695322049_492385011c_n.jpg"></a><a href="https://flic.kr/p/Azvsy2">Capture</a> by <a href="https://www.flickr.com/photos/130059894@N04/">Paul Fountain</a>, on Flickr chdot on "Shared space proposed at busy bus station entrance" http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=15693&page=2#post-204658 Mon, 16 Nov 2015 21:56:14 +0000 chdot 204658@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ Trams, Pedestrians, Cycles, Buses, Taxis, Cars would be better than the current reality. chdot on "Shared space proposed at busy bus station entrance" http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=15693&page=2#post-204657 Mon, 16 Nov 2015 21:54:26 +0000 chdot 204657@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ "Following long email conversation with the council and councillors, trams have absolute priority" Clearly that only applies where there are trams. Though in practice in means no more than giving a clear signal sequence - and hope that there are no buses and taxis stuck in front!... Klaxon on "Shared space proposed at busy bus station entrance" http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=15693&page=2#post-204656 Mon, 16 Nov 2015 21:30:21 +0000 Klaxon 204656@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ Ironside Farrar seemed to make it quite clear at both George St events that the hierarchy with peds at the top is current council policy. Unless it was just make it up as you go along policy handed to them as part of their job spec. chdot on "Shared space proposed at busy bus station entrance" http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=15693&page=2#post-204655 Mon, 16 Nov 2015 21:27:59 +0000 chdot 204655@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ I'm 99% certain it was in the draft version of this - "Edinburgh's transport choices: interim local transport strategy 2000 to 2003" (Published 1999) So it was probably in the approved version. The 1999 report is referred to in subsequent LTSs, so perhaps the hierarchy is still 'council policy'(?) chdot on "Shared space proposed at busy bus station entrance" http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=15693&page=2#post-204653 Mon, 16 Nov 2015 20:38:17 +0000 chdot 204653@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ I am fairly confident that this has appeared in a Council document - though possibly about 20 years ago! CEC is well aware of the concept. " 7. The following hierarchy of road users in assessing the allocation of road space should be incorporated into planning guidance i. Pedestrians ii. Cyclists iii. Public transport users iv. Freight and deliveries v. Car users " (Health Impact Assessment: of the City of Edinburgh Council’s Urban Transport Strategy) <a href="http://www.apho.org.uk/resource/view.aspx?RID=44244" rel="nofollow">http://www.apho.org.uk/resource/view.aspx?RID=44244</a> Fountainbridge on "Shared space proposed at busy bus station entrance" http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=15693&page=2#post-204652 Mon, 16 Nov 2015 19:47:49 +0000 Fountainbridge 204652@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <blockquote>"The council's own policy is for the hierarchy of transport modes is Pedestrians, Cycles, Trams, Buses, Taxis, Cars"</blockquote> Eddie - would you have a source for this? Following long email conversation with the council and councillors, trams have absolute priority, and I guess busses are next.