http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ CityCyclingEdinburgh Forum » Topic: Scottish Budget 2016/17 en Fri, 17 Jul 2026 08:16:21 +0000 http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=15854&page=2#post-212998 Fri, 26 Feb 2016 13:08:21 +0000 acsimpson 212998@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>It's such a blatantly misleading answer that I'm surprised they didn't quote the health and education budgets too. After all if teachers and nurses are at work then they wont be in their cars.</p> <p>The other thing they have missed with such miss use of facts is that their net position is spending many billions of pounds encouraging people into their cars. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=15854&page=2#post-212994 Fri, 26 Feb 2016 12:31:56 +0000 paulmilne 212994@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@Morninsider, thanks for the figures, I was wondering where the other £960 million was coming from!</p> <p>Yes, it's a non-answer to a direct question. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=15854&page=2#post-212950 Thu, 25 Feb 2016 20:34:48 +0000 crowriver 212950@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>" totally disingenuous use of figures by the SG there. "</p> <p>Disingenuousness? From the SNP? On transport spending?</p> <p>Gosh, that's never happened before. Ever. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=15854&page=2#post-212949 Thu, 25 Feb 2016 18:48:27 +0000 Morningsider 212949@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>paulmilne - totally disingenuous use of figures by the SG there. Roughly £200m of that is to fund concessionary bus travel for older and disabled people, £730m keeping ScotRail and Network Rail Scotland running, £50m on bus service operators grant and grants for hybrid buses and about £40m on sustainable travel (including electric cars etc. - not all walking and cycling).</p> <p>I don't think you can really count keeping the Scottish rail network running as "encouraging people out of their cars". </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=15854&page=2#post-212947 Thu, 25 Feb 2016 18:15:33 +0000 paulmilne 212947@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>According to The National, a "Scottish Government spokesman" said it is already investing "more than £1 billion per annum to encourage people out of their cars." So that's all right then. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=15854&page=2#post-212884 Thu, 25 Feb 2016 10:24:56 +0000 paulmilne 212884@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Oh dear. It might be time to stop acting reasonably and demanding much more, the full 10%. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=15854#post-212868 Wed, 24 Feb 2016 22:28:50 +0000 chdot 212868@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"</p> <p>Budget blow to walk &amp; cycle </p> <p>With no changes to the draft budget, the Scottish Government has set the ground for a retreat on walking and cycling by Councils across the country…</p> <p>"</p> <p><a href="http://www.spokes.org.uk/2016/02/budget-blow-to-walk-cycle/" rel="nofollow">http://www.spokes.org.uk/2016/02/budget-blow-to-walk-cycle/</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=15854#post-212724 Tue, 23 Feb 2016 10:59:14 +0000 chdot 212724@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"</p> <p>Spokes CycleCampaign (@SpokesLothian)<br /> 22/02/2016, 10:36 am<br /> Can @scotgov afford NOT to move 1% of #trunkroad cash to #activetravel? ---&gt; <a href="http://www.spokes.org.uk/2016/02/budget-msps-briefed-on-1-of-trunk-roads-plan/" rel="nofollow">http://www.spokes.org.uk/2016/02/budget-msps-briefed-on-1-of-trunk-roads-plan/</a> #pothole @edfoc </p> <p><a href="http://pic.twitter.com/5a1SvwE8Zs" rel="nofollow">http://pic.twitter.com/5a1SvwE8Zs</a></p> <p>" </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=15854#post-212664 Mon, 22 Feb 2016 11:05:18 +0000 paulmilne 212664@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Is that 1% of the trunk road budget to replace the current .5%, or to add to it, to make 1.5%? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=15854#post-212658 Mon, 22 Feb 2016 10:30:07 +0000 sallyhinch 212658@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Joint call by Spokes, FOE Scotland, Ramblers Scotland, Stop Climate Chaos &amp; POP to transfer 1% of the planned trunk roads budget back into active travel - if you haven't contacted your MSPs yet about this then do so now as the final debate is this week <a href="http://pedalonparliament.org/budget-take-steps-now/" rel="nofollow">http://pedalonparliament.org/budget-take-steps-now/</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=15854#post-212032 Mon, 15 Feb 2016 19:28:38 +0000 chdot 212032@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><a href="http://www.spokes.org.uk/2016/01/scottish-budget-what-msps-say" rel="nofollow">http://www.spokes.org.uk/2016/01/scottish-budget-what-msps-say</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=15854#post-211847 Sat, 13 Feb 2016 09:15:39 +0000 chdot 211847@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"</p> <p>Spokes CycleCampaign (@SpokesLothian)<br /> 12/02/2016, 11:17 pm<br /> .@ScotParl #Cycling Group supports our Budget plan!-&gt;</p> <p><a href="http://www.spokes.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/1602-Letter-to-Deputy-First-Minister-20160208-re-budget-1-idea.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.spokes.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/1602-Letter-to-Deputy-First-Minister-20160208-re-budget-1-idea.pdf</a></p> <p>Have U emailed your MSPs?? <a href="https://twitter.com/SpokesLothian/status/684486810681081856" rel="nofollow">https://twitter.com/SpokesLothian/status/684486810681081856</a> @CyclingEdin</p> <p>" </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=15854#post-207012 Fri, 18 Dec 2015 11:08:32 +0000 SRD 207012@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I've retweeted, but think I've now used up my hashtag quota for the next year... </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=15854#post-207010 Fri, 18 Dec 2015 10:58:03 +0000 DdF 207010@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Spokes posts...</p> <p><a href="http://www.spokes.org.uk/2015/12/budget-roads-up-rail-down-cyclingwalking-unclear/">General cycling/transport impact of draft budget</a></p> <p><a href="http://www.spokes.org.uk/2015/12/scottish-budget-councils-cycling-hit/">Specific impact on council cycling activity</a></p> <p><a href="https://twitter.com/SpokesLothian/status/677593744154230788">Most important tweet</a> - please RT if you agree!</p> <p>DdF </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=15854#post-207002 Fri, 18 Dec 2015 08:49:51 +0000 chdot 207002@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"Or did they not understand what they wrote?"</p> <p>Perhaps not. </p> <p>I suspect Spokes and PoP might find this useful -</p> <p>"</p> <p>improvements that offer value for money</p> <p>" </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=15854#post-206998 Fri, 18 Dec 2015 01:59:10 +0000 acsimpson 206998@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>"- focus on essential improvements and on safety and congestion relief improvements that offer value for money;"</em></p> <p>So they plan to build world class facilities that encourage drivers out of cars by ensuring they will be safer and quicker when not driving.</p> <p>Or did they not understand what they wrote? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=15854#post-206973 Thu, 17 Dec 2015 16:59:21 +0000 sallyhinch 206973@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>POP view <a href="http://pedalonparliament.org/wishing-and-hoping-once-more/" rel="nofollow">http://pedalonparliament.org/wishing-and-hoping-once-more/</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=15854#post-206970 Thu, 17 Dec 2015 16:46:05 +0000 Morningsider 206970@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>A96 scheme strategic business case is linked below (1). The scheme the SG are pursuing has a Benefit/Cost ratio of between 1 and 1.25. I reckon even that is pretty optimistic.</p> <p>I haven't seen a business case for the A9 - probably because there is no way it could stack up financially, e.g. the section between Pitlochry and Moy (approx 70 miles) is used by between 7000 and 9500 vehicles a day (2 - section 6.1) The UK Design Manual for Roads and Bridges (3) considers that a wide single carriageway road can cope with between 13,000 and 21,000 vehicles per day. So this long section of the current A9 is already over specified for the number of vehicles it carries and the SG is about to spike most of the £3bn cost of A9 dualling on further upgrading it.</p> <p>(1) <a href="http://www.transportscotland.gov.uk/system/files/documents/projects/A96%20Dualling/A96%20Strategic%20Business%20Case%20-%20Inverness%20to%20Aberdeen%20SBC%20Final%2017%20September.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.transportscotland.gov.uk/system/files/documents/projects/A96%20Dualling/A96%20Strategic%20Business%20Case%20-%20Inverness%20to%20Aberdeen%20SBC%20Final%2017%20September.pdf</a></p> <p>(2) <a href="http://www.transportscotland.gov.uk/sites/default/files/private/documents/projects/A9/A9%20PES%20DMRB%20Stage%201%20Assessment%20Report%20Final.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.transportscotland.gov.uk/sites/default/files/private/documents/projects/A9/A9%20PES%20DMRB%20Stage%201%20Assessment%20Report%20Final.pdf</a></p> <p>(3) <a href="http://www.standardsforhighways.co.uk/dmrb/vol5/section1/ta4697.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.standardsforhighways.co.uk/dmrb/vol5/section1/ta4697.pdf</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=15854#post-206968 Thu, 17 Dec 2015 15:48:25 +0000 Darkerside 206968@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Ta much. </p> <p>Has anyone FOI-ed the business cases for any of the major trunk road projects? </p> <p>(I apologise for crowd-sourcing blog post research. I'm technically on a course...) </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=15854#post-206963 Thu, 17 Dec 2015 14:41:26 +0000 sallyhinch 206963@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@Darkerside - the one we cite for POP is here <a href="http://travelwest.info/project/ee-24-economic-benefits-cycling" rel="nofollow">http://travelwest.info/project/ee-24-economic-benefits-cycling</a> (sadly link rot means the link in the POP manifesto is broken - I will need to fix that) which gives returns of up to £22 for every £1 invested. There are other studies linked to in the latest Cycling Embassy roundup <a href="http://www.cycling-embassy.org.uk/blog/2015/11/29/its-time-to-talk-about-shopping" rel="nofollow">http://www.cycling-embassy.org.uk/blog/2015/11/29/its-time-to-talk-about-shopping</a> (not just the shopping benefits) - with returns of up to 24:1 according to this link <a href="http://www.ecf.com/news/recent-studies-show-investing-in-cycling-pays-off-globally/" rel="nofollow">http://www.ecf.com/news/recent-studies-show-investing-in-cycling-pays-off-globally/</a></p> <p>A slight note of caution though - most of the really high returns are based on off-road infrastructure (railway lines and the like) because from the policy maker's point of view it's all jam - lots of health benefits and no knock-on effects on drivers. I was talking to Rachel Aldred and she said that the projected returns of the London Cycle Superhighways, where space is being taken away from cars, are calculated to be much lower even with the health benefits taken into account because the assumption is that traffic will not change at all so congestion is projected to go up. Obviously this is daft but the same assumption is made for building new roads - so that they appear to magically reduce congestion for ever. There's a paper on the lunacy of ignoring induced demand here <a href="http://www.ejtir.tbm.tudelft.nl/issues/2012_03/pdf/2012_03_02.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.ejtir.tbm.tudelft.nl/issues/2012_03/pdf/2012_03_02.pdf</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=15854#post-206962 Thu, 17 Dec 2015 14:22:30 +0000 crowriver 206962@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I see what they did there.</p> <p>SMP Gov have presented the Active (and Sustainable) Travel support as an increase on this year. Which it is, but only an increase in the budgeted figure. The actual total was higher this year as a result of concerted lobbying from advocates of greater investment in active travel. </p> <p>In order to gain a real terms (after inflation) increase in the total funding compared to this year's actual spend (rather than the headline budget figure) it seems more lobbying will be required.</p> <p>Luckily it is election year at Holyrood in 2016... </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=15854#post-206961 Thu, 17 Dec 2015 14:15:02 +0000 Darkerside 206961@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Anyone got a link to some return on investment calculations for active transport? I'm sure I remember some studies floating around... </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=15854#post-206957 Thu, 17 Dec 2015 13:14:21 +0000 crowriver 206957@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>In summary, the SMP's transport priorities are as follows (p. 134):</p> <p>"In 2016-17 we will:<br /> - continue construction of the Forth Replacement Crossing as programmed;<br /> - progress construction of the M8 M73 M74 Motorway Improvements project and the Aberdeen Western Peripheral Route (AWPR)/Balmedie to Tipperty project;<br /> - progress procurement of the A737 Dalry Bypass;<br /> - progress design and development work on dualling the A9 and A96 and continue<br /> construction of the A9 Kincraig to Dalraddy project;<br /> - progress design and development work on the A90 Haudagain Roundabout;<br /> - focus on essential improvements and on safety and congestion relief improvements that offer value for money;<br /> - continue to maintain the safe operation of the Forth and Tay Road Bridges; and<br /> - continue to appraise investment in the motorway and trunk road programme with appropriate tools to further assure its contribution to our Economic Strategy." </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=15854#post-206955 Thu, 17 Dec 2015 13:06:12 +0000 crowriver 206955@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Let me get these spending priorities right:</p> <p>Air Services down by £3.1m<br /> Rail Services down by £57m !!!</p> <p>Bus Services at standstill<br /> Active Travel apparently at standstill</p> <p>Ferry Services up by £11.5m<br /> Motorways and Trunk Roads up by £125.5m !!!</p> <p>Talk about robbing Peter to pay Paul.</p> <p>Can we not kick the Scottish Motorists' Party out in May?</p> <p>P.S.:- The inflation adjusted figures are even more grim... :-( </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=15854#post-206935 Thu, 17 Dec 2015 10:53:47 +0000 Rosie 206935@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Spokes is holding a hustings for MSP candidates from all parties on 21 March, so have your questions ready. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=15854#post-206920 Thu, 17 Dec 2015 00:19:53 +0000 chdot 206920@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>'We' are still unable to get across the idea that improving conditions for walking and cycling is for the benefit of all - not just for some noisy self-interested minority group. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=15854#post-206919 Thu, 17 Dec 2015 00:17:19 +0000 chdot 206919@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"one thing we hear from politicians is that active travel doesn't come up enough on the doorstep"</p> <p>I'm sure there are very few things that come up regularly so that is just an excuse. </p> <p>Politicians should 'lead' - not just do (or not) things that people 'mention' - or ask for in focus groups! </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=15854#post-206917 Wed, 16 Dec 2015 23:49:47 +0000 sallyhinch 206917@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Please all do follow HankChief's lead - the one thing we hear from politicians is that active travel doesn't come up enough on the doorstep </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=15854#post-206915 Wed, 16 Dec 2015 23:22:59 +0000 HankChief 206915@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@edd1e_h Fair point. </p> <p>I might have to use a different twitter account for that though &lt; wanders off to check if @feihCknaH is taken &gt; </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=15854#post-206913 Wed, 16 Dec 2015 23:15:32 +0000 neddie 206913@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@HankChief</p> <p>Politicians are always going to tell you what they think you want to hear. The best way to find out what politicians really think about active travel is to ask them the exact opposite of what you want. </p> <p>Say you think money spent on AT is completely wasted. See if they agree! </p>