http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ CityCyclingEdinburgh Forum » Topic: Porty currency? en Thu, 21 May 2026 23:49:38 +0000 http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=15949&page=2#post-219877 Fri, 13 May 2016 16:53:08 +0000 Chug 219877@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Did the world not end when the floating bus stop was built? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=15949&page=2#post-219876 Fri, 13 May 2016 16:48:13 +0000 Wilmington's Cow 219876@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>That shows up the old markings as well.</p> <p>I always presumed that for some services that was a turning point before entering the dragon-filled realm of East Lothian, and so the cut-in was used to turn round back for the safety of Edinburgh. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=15949&page=2#post-219875 Fri, 13 May 2016 16:44:58 +0000 Rob 219875@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I particularly dislike <a href="https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@55.9480741,-3.0838443,3a,75y,102.3h,59.73t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s5juBaSYrcuym-YGd-5tLuw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656">this bit</a>. Mainly because I get honked at for taking the lane.</p> <p>Slightly off topic, what's this <a href="https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@55.9485311,-3.0867147,3a,75y,324h,85.15t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sRV_iGaa0zakSd2w6BkPedw!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo1.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3DRV_iGaa0zakSd2w6BkPedw%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D288.99292%26pitch%3D0!7i13312!8i6656">bus stop bypass</a> for? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=15949&page=2#post-219867 Fri, 13 May 2016 15:58:02 +0000 Wilmington's Cow 219867@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>The thing is that <em>used</em> to be a perfectly reasonable road to cycle on. There were two lanes both way, cars parked on either side, but the lane was wide enough to create a pseudo-cycle lane with the moving car traffic in the other lanes.</p> <p>Then they put a hatched marking in the middle, created specific, narrower, parking areas on the sides, and forced cyclists to ride in the main carriageway along with the car traffic.</p> <p>Bonkers backward step. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=15949#post-219864 Fri, 13 May 2016 15:50:30 +0000 urchaidh 219864@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@winpig: This is the council's response to a friend when he enquired about a cycle path along Seaview, it's dated November 2015. Sadly I don't think this path it was mentioned on the list of proposed cycling projects posted recently.</p> <p><blockquote><br /> CYCLE ROUTES – SEAVIEW TERRACE</p> <p>I can confirm that the Council intends to develop a proposal for a cycle route between Portobello Promenade and Musselburgh, in partnership with East Lothian Council. This would form part of the Council’s ‘QuietRoute’ network of cycle routes (formerly the ‘Family Network’) as outlined in our Active Travel Action Plan. It would therefore be designed to the standards set out for this network which would involve segregation from roads with high traffic volumes / speeds.</p> <p>Due to the prioritisation of a number of other cycle schemes in the city we do not currently have resources available to progress this project. However, we intend to start work on its development within the next two years.<br /> </blockquote> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=15949#post-219859 Fri, 13 May 2016 15:27:17 +0000 wingpig 219859@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>One of the primary anticyclists actually photographed a cyclist cycling along the footway at Joppa, well past the prom, right next to a sign on a post requesting no cycling, near a pedestrian, near where are some houses. There's definitely space for a segregated cycle facility along that rather wide chunk of road. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=15949#post-219857 Fri, 13 May 2016 15:12:44 +0000 Mandopicker101 219857@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@Erob - building a mini-pier running parallel to the arcades, chippy, The Espy and the coffee shop could be pretty cool. It could evoke the old Portobello pier.</p> <p>I think building the prom out somewhere around Morton Street (where the property boundary walls narrow the path) would be a good idea too. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=15949#post-219854 Fri, 13 May 2016 15:00:58 +0000 Rob 219854@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>"Perhaps one way of improving Porty Prom might be to appropriate a few feet of beach at the pinch points?"</em></p> <p>I was having the same thoughts. The main conflict points are where businesses front onto the prom. Building a seating area over the beach might help with one aspect of that. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=15949#post-219852 Fri, 13 May 2016 14:51:45 +0000 Mandopicker101 219852@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I commute along the Prom two or three days a week. Apart from the odd cyclist who Simply Must Get Past (Strava? Dinner soon to be in the dog at home?), most people seem to more or less rub along. </p> <p>During a family holiday last summer we visited De Panne in Belgium on a hot, busy Saturday. De Panne struck me as a bigger version of Portobello and their prom, a fair bit wider and a lot longer admittedly, had two lanes divided by some paint - bikes (two, three, four and six wheeled...) on one side, rest of humanity/canines on the other. It all seemed to work and no-one got squished. That said, maybe there's a 'DePanne Folk' page on FaceSpace where outraged burghers rant about awful 'fietsers' spoiling their lovely prom.</p> <p>Perhaps one way of improving Porty Prom might be to appropriate a few feet of beach at the pinch points? I've found myself often dismounting at the same places because they're just clogged with people. Or just widen the whole of the prom? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=15949#post-219811 Fri, 13 May 2016 12:55:39 +0000 Edinburgh Cycle Training 219811@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Its a real shame there isn't enough space for a segregated cycle path along that stretch </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=15949#post-219807 Fri, 13 May 2016 12:42:41 +0000 Rob 219807@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"There's basically a total lack of willingness to understand why cyclists are there rather than the High Street"</p> <p>Another reason is the choice at the Seafield end. Divert onto the nice, wide, car free prom or continue on something which looks more like a footpath (anyone know if this stretch is actually shared use?) alongside a road which looks more and more like a dual carriageway. <a href="https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@55.962695,-3.1286496,3a,75y,102.35h,78.34t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sijeMwd0sEiGS-vmQ-LCT8A!2e0!7i13312!8i6656">This part</a> looks like a particular treat.</p> <p>The prom is the equivalent of NCN1 at Roseburn. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=15949#post-219806 Fri, 13 May 2016 12:40:19 +0000 Edinburgh Cycle Training 219806@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Porty People is an increasingly extreme right wing hotbed!</p> <p>People genuinely advocate vigilantism against cyclists, although tbf, sometimes that is only 'banter'</p> <p>I know that feeding trolls is the worst thing you can do, particularly after midnight, but sometimes I ashamedly have 10 minutes with nothing better to do. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=15949#post-219797 Fri, 13 May 2016 12:18:22 +0000 chdot 219797@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"Just imagine. Little Jimmy got hit by a car on Lothian Road and broke his leg, therefore all cars are now banned from Lothian Road."</p> <p>I can <em>imagine</em> the effect but not that cause! </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=15949#post-219796 Fri, 13 May 2016 12:16:47 +0000 chdot 219796@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"because at a narrow point an old lady was hit by a cyclist and broke a limb"</p> <p>Possibly.</p> <p>It's certainly the case that that happened to a retired ENews photographer which resulted in some publicity...</p> <p>(About 20 years ago.) </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=15949#post-219793 Fri, 13 May 2016 12:09:52 +0000 Wilmington's Cow 219793@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I've been viewing the Porty People group with fascination and wonder for some time now (I rarely post anymore).</p> <p>There will, obviously, be some people who go too fast, in exactly the same way that some pedestrians will veer about obliviously blocking everything, and some dog owners will let their pooches roam free. The posts about it on PP just get ridiculously vitriolic though, with no real understanding. Often there is a statement along the lines of 'there's a perfectly good road', usually from someone who has never tried cycling along Porty High Street (it's a bleedin' nightmare).</p> <p>Someone surpassed that recently by suggesting cyclists should be using the perfectly good cycle lanes on the road.</p> <p>There are no cycle lanes.</p> <p>Now, from what I've seen on the many many many many times I've walked on the prom.... There really <em>isn't</em> a problem. I've seen a few going too fast, but never really to the threat of life and limb, and I reckon most of the vitriol is based on confirmation bias, and over-reaction ("I was nearly killed by a cyclist, and I just managed to snatch my child back before he was deliberately mown down by another!" is the level we're looking at).</p> <p>My understanding is that the original No Cycling signs, now long gone, went up because at a narrow point an old lady was hit by a cyclist and broke a limb. I know no other details, so nothing on whether the cyclist was travelling at speed, or if the lady in question was meandering. But it did strike me when I heard this that banning a form of transport when someone is hurt by it could transform the roads of Edinburgh and Scotland if it was applied to cars. Just imagine. Little Jimmy got hit by a car on Lothian Road and broke his leg, therefore all cars are now banned from Lothian Road.</p> <p>There's basically a total lack of willingness to understand why cyclists are there rather than the High Street, <em>wanting</em> to see the worst in people, and not listening to reasoned submissions. I don't see the folk that spew forth on PP will ever come round to common sense, so I just tend to leave them to their frothing. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=15949#post-219790 Fri, 13 May 2016 12:02:35 +0000 chdot 219790@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"Perhaps Portobello High Street is a good candidate for a mini-holland scheme?"</p> <p>New thread? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=15949#post-219788 Fri, 13 May 2016 11:58:10 +0000 Rob 219788@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>The problem is excessive traffic on Portobello High Street. People cycling to get somewhere use the shared use prom instead, resulting in pedestrian conflict.</p> <p>It goes both ways though. Some cyclists go too fast and some pedestrians block the entire path queueing for an ice cream.</p> <p>EDIT: Perhaps Portobello High Street is a good candidate for a mini-holland scheme? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=15949#post-219787 Fri, 13 May 2016 11:48:44 +0000 urchaidh 219787@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>The 'Porty People' facebook page is a forum that can, on occasions, make the comments section of the EEN seem sane an rational by comparison </p> <p>Amongst other things there's a constant, smouldering resentment of cycling on the prom. Recently, as the prom got busier with better weather, it has all kicked off again.</p> <p>I'm down there a lot, both on my bike (I commute that way) and messing about with my kids. There's no doubt for me that there's a small but significant number of bikes going too fast.</p> <p>So, CCE users of the prom (I'm assuming there are a few on here), is there a problem and what's the solution? The pitchfork bearing hordes of Porty want chicanes, rumble strips and lycra activated land mines. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=15949#post-209166 Thu, 21 Jan 2016 11:15:20 +0000 kaputnik 209166@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I live in neither Abbeyhill nor Meadowbank and although effectively I'm sandwiched between the two, there appears to be a gap in the popular imagination between where the boundaries of each lie and there was never an older name formalised for this particular triangle of land before it was built on. Perhaps Moray Park, but that's been re-used to describe some modern builds adjacent.</p> <p>I've decided to go right back to where place names and boundaries were first formalised under King David I of Scotland and declare for living in the Barony of Restalrig. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=15949#post-209152 Thu, 21 Jan 2016 10:35:17 +0000 wingpig 209152@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I live in Leith, but have made many deliveries/collections of baby/child toys/clothes/junk from Trinity to Brunstane. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=15949#post-209150 Thu, 21 Jan 2016 10:28:33 +0000 urchaidh 209150@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>There have been a couple of attempts to create a 'Porty Pound' or similar loyalty scheme to encourage local shopping, but nothing ever came of them.</p> <p>So how man [greater] Porty residents on here? I'm just on the Duddingston side of the border, but consider myself as living in Porty. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=15949#post-209149 Thu, 21 Jan 2016 10:28:02 +0000 wingpig 209149@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>It seems to be for the purposes of de-cluttering rather than accruing great wealth, so maybe as well as the useful thing they want the person doing the collecting could take away one extra less-useful piece of junk. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=15949#post-209148 Thu, 21 Jan 2016 10:11:36 +0000 twq 209148@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>As a Porty resident, I can confirm it is usually wine/chocolate. It would be fun to push the boundaries of it though.<br /> A metre of medical gauze? A random TV remote? One shoe? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=15949#post-209145 Thu, 21 Jan 2016 10:02:29 +0000 wingpig 209145@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>You might be getting confused with Porty Points, which you accrue through leaving dog faeces on the prom or letting your dog frighten a child on the beach and can spend on making histrionic comments about packs of feral youths, hyperbole about speeding cyclist menaces or nippy social media statements about people who don't come and collect things they said they wanted. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=15949#post-209142 Thu, 21 Jan 2016 09:39:57 +0000 Roibeard 209142@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I'd have guessed a local currency where local people could support local shops.</p> <p>See also <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Totnes_pound">Totnes pound</a>.</p> <p>Looks like I guessed incorrectly!</p> <p>Robert </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=15949#post-209127 Wed, 20 Jan 2016 23:15:36 +0000 Uberuce 209127@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Nuka Cola caps. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=15949#post-209118 Wed, 20 Jan 2016 21:48:03 +0000 urchaidh 209118@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>As WP says, essentially a wee treat instead of cash, depending on the item you're 'buying'. Sometimes the seller will give a hint. Homemade stuff not uncommon, got some very nice jam once. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=15949#post-209117 Wed, 20 Jan 2016 21:45:09 +0000 Cyclingmollie 209117@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>&lt;sarcasm&gt;I knew CCE would have the answer.&lt;/sarcasm&gt; </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=15949#post-209113 Wed, 20 Jan 2016 21:07:13 +0000 Neil 209113@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>1 pound blocks of compacted, dessicated yak faeces </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=15949#post-209112 Wed, 20 Jan 2016 21:03:04 +0000 wingpig 209112@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Bottles of wine or packets of biscuits or bars of chocolate or whatever. </p>