http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ CityCyclingEdinburgh Forum » Topic: "ASLs not being repainted" en Sun, 31 May 2026 15:52:18 +0000 http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=1606&page=2#post-15882 Tue, 02 Nov 2010 18:38:37 +0000 chdot 15882@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"Must be a very frustrating job"</p> <p>I suspect you might be right.</p> <p>Though I'm quite sure there will be good bits.</p> <p>There <em>are </em>people throughout the council who are 'supportive' of cycling - just not enough of them (or in the right places).</p> <p>Paradoxically there <em>was</em> a <em>very</em> senior official who cycled at lot - even to work.</p> <p>SO 'for balance' he back pedalled (to coin a phrase) on cycling WEIRD!!!</p> <p>Meanwhile over on the other thread - "<a href="http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=1631#post-15843">Come on City of Edinburgh Council(lors) - most of this is in your hands.</a>" </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=1606&page=2#post-15877 Tue, 02 Nov 2010 17:33:05 +0000 Min 15877@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Thank goodness. Must be a very frustrating job. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=1606&page=2#post-15876 Tue, 02 Nov 2010 17:31:54 +0000 chdot 15876@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"or am I being too cynical?"</p> <p>In this case yes. </p> <p>Current Cycling Officer cycles a lot - in Edinburgh. </p> <p>Previous CO cycled, but didn't live in Edinburgh. </p> <p>There was an unfilled gap of about 2 years between them</p> <p>It will be interesting to see if 'consulting with CO' results in positive changes to that layout. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=1606&page=2#post-15875 Tue, 02 Nov 2010 17:29:42 +0000 SRD 15875@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Others can speak more knowledgeably about this, but I thought there was a general consensus that the current cycling officer was well-intentioned etc, but rather hamstrung by failure to 'mainstream' cycling into planning. Assuming this is the same guy who was at the last Spokes meeting (not the councillor/transport guy) - there's a thread on that. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=1606&page=2#post-15874 Tue, 02 Nov 2010 17:26:58 +0000 Min 15874@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"hum, who is the cycling officer, and more importantly, what do they ride? "</p> <p>Whoops, you made a typo. Think that should read "DO they ride?" </p> <p>...or am I being too cynical? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=1606&page=2#post-15873 Tue, 02 Nov 2010 17:09:19 +0000 Matchstickwarrior 15873@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>One wonders why they need to consult the Cycling Officer for two reasons:<br /> 1. This facility existed in the past; they should have the records of it.<br /> 2. I checked out the DOT Traffic Signs Manual (great for anoracks like me!) which I am sure they must have a copy of down at Road Services, and on p100 of Chapter 5, it states the following:</p> <p>16.21 Vehicles other than cycles must stop at the<br /> first line when signalled to do so. An advisory or<br /> mandatory cycle lane, preferably 1.5 m wide, must be<br /> provided to enable cyclists to enter the reservoir<br /> lawfully, i.e. without crossing the first stop line. The<br /> two Stop lines must be between 4 and 5 m apart; the<br /> area between them across the full width of the<br /> approach is available for cyclists to wait at the red<br /> light. This area and the approach lane may be<br /> highlighted using coloured surfacing (see also para<br /> 16.12). The Stop lines should be 200 mm or 300 mm<br /> wide (see para 3.7) and the boundary line should be<br /> the same width as the centre line of the road (this<br /> may be omitted where it is adjacent to a kerb).</p> <p>Pretty unambiguous.<br /> Also highlights that most of the ASLs (I would guess at all, but I can't say I've stopped at them all to check) in Edinburgh do not meet this standard. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=1606&page=2#post-15871 Tue, 02 Nov 2010 16:48:01 +0000 ruggtomcat 15871@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>hum, who is the cycling officer, and more importantly, what do they ride? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=1606&page=2#post-15866 Tue, 02 Nov 2010 15:45:09 +0000 Matchstickwarrior 15866@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Re: Westfield Rd, response received as follows:</p> <p>Thank you for your email to Customer Care dated 29 October 2010 regarding the above which has been passed to me for response.<br /> The advance stop line was erroneously omitted from the planned works. The Roads Manager is currently consulting with the Cycling Officer regarding the appropriate specifications for this marking and when these are supplied, the markings will be reinstated as soon as resources allow. At this stage, I am unfortunately unable to indicate when this might be. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=1606&page=2#post-15789 Mon, 01 Nov 2010 23:08:08 +0000 chdot 15789@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>From Twitter -</p> <p>"</p> <p>Ask your local councillor to make your street a @sustrans Quality Street: <a href="http://bit.ly/ayl0fG" rel="nofollow">http://bit.ly/ayl0fG</a> </p> <p>" </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=1606&page=2#post-15784 Mon, 01 Nov 2010 17:20:38 +0000 chdot 15784@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"<br /> "I don't think that junction is still like that is it?? "</p> <p>Yeah, you're right! Just checked the satellite view which I guess is more up to date:</p> <p>"</p> <p>That's strange. Street View was 2008, sat view for my part of town is definitely older - I assumed all of Edinburgh was done at same time(?) </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=1606&page=2#post-15781 Mon, 01 Nov 2010 16:16:52 +0000 cb 15781@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"I don't think that junction is still like that is it?? "</p> <p>Yeah, you're right! Just checked the satellite view which I guess is more up to date:</p> <p><a href="http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?f=q&amp;source=s_q&amp;hl=en&amp;geocode=&amp;q=roseburn+street&amp;sll=53.800651,-4.064941&amp;sspn=9.375449,30.541992&amp;ie=UTF8&amp;hq=&amp;hnear=Roseburn+St,+Edinburgh+EH12,+United+Kingdom&amp;ll=55.945426,-3.23336&amp;spn=0.000271,0.000932&amp;t=k&amp;z=20">Google maps - satellite view</a></p> <p>Maybe whatever the original reason was didn't really work out. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=1606&page=2#post-15780 Mon, 01 Nov 2010 15:42:37 +0000 steveo 15780@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><strong>cb</strong> I don't think that junction is still like that is it?? I'm going that way this evening will have a look. Won't be taking pictures though ;) </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=1606&page=2#post-15779 Mon, 01 Nov 2010 15:23:19 +0000 kaputnik 15779@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><strong>@cb</strong> that's very odd. I go that way most days and have honestly never noticed! Probably because it's particularly narrow there and I can rarely get room to filter down and get near the DMZ.</p> <p>My theory is that it's to do with the lights timing sequence - cars turning right from Roseburn towards Russell Road don't get long on their filter. By pushing back the stop line for cars turning left, it gives slightly more time for them to make the turn by virtue of traffic turning left having further to go. It clearly serves no "swing room" purposes, in fact it would seem to achieve the very opposite by moving cyclists in the right hand lane <em>INTO</em> the danger zone! </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=1606&page=2#post-15776 Mon, 01 Nov 2010 14:22:27 +0000 cb 15776@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><a href="http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?f=q&amp;source=s_q&amp;hl=en&amp;geocode=&amp;q=Roseburn+Street&amp;sll=53.800651,-4.064941&amp;sspn=9.375449,30.541992&amp;ie=UTF8&amp;hq=&amp;hnear=Roseburn+St,+Edinburgh+EH12,+United+Kingdom&amp;ll=55.945475,-3.233317&amp;spn=0,0.007457&amp;z=17&amp;layer=c&amp;cbll=55.945484,-3.233142&amp;panoid=o8ZcRjIbhVzHNJH0ekXmyQ&amp;cbp=12,264.45,,0,13.81">Google Maps</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=1606#post-15775 Mon, 01 Nov 2010 14:20:37 +0000 cb 15775@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Turning right out of Cluny Gardens into Morningside Road is another place to be a bit careful as the into-town bound 41 will often sweep over a fair bit of ASL.</p> <p>Talking of stop lines being placed back from the junction, can anyone explain the junction of the Glasgow Road and Roseburn Street? Heading out of town on the Glasgow Road the left hand lane is for left turning traffic for Roseburn Street and the right hand lane is for straight-ahead traffic. But the stop line on the left hand lane is much further back from the junction, which feels like the wrong way round.<br /> Is it so that large vehicles turning left can use the right hand lane? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=1606#post-15772 Mon, 01 Nov 2010 14:02:40 +0000 SRD 15772@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Hmmmm.....I have more problems/concerns about the buses turning left from Gilmore Place towards Tollcross - they get an advance green arrow. So I always make a point of sitting well on the right-hand-side of the ASL and have never had any problems with buses turning across. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=1606#post-15771 Mon, 01 Nov 2010 13:56:45 +0000 Kirst 15771@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>The first few times I tried that junction coming from Gilmore Place and turning right, I had to hop off the bike and scoot over to make room for right-turning buses from Leven Street! </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=1606#post-15770 Mon, 01 Nov 2010 13:46:38 +0000 kaputnik 15770@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>"Basically the marking are back from the lights to allow swing room for HGV's"</em></p> <p>Is it not on T- or 4-way junctions that buses and lorries would be coming from the opposite direction and will swing round the corner tight (rather than wide) to get round the 90 degree bend. A cyclist sitting in an ASL on the right hand side would be toast, unless it is set back a bit.</p> <p>The ASL at the end of Gilmour Place is very vulnerable to buses turning right from Brougham / Leven Street if you are sitting in the right hand side of the ASL to turn right. I always sit far back and towards the centre on this box (it is also the best position to avoid the monstrous potholes outside the King's Theatre) </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=1606#post-15766 Mon, 01 Nov 2010 11:37:24 +0000 chdot 15766@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"Basically the marking are back from the lights to allow swing room for HGV's"</p> <p>Understand the theory, but presumably any lorry 'caught' by a red light would be well past the ASL and, presumably, in the right hand lane - blocking traffic?? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=1606#post-15765 Mon, 01 Nov 2010 11:15:40 +0000 Kim 15765@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>One of the problems with junctions like Stevenson Road / Westfield Road is that a lot of drivers do not understand why the stop line are where they are. Basically the marking are back from the lights to allow swing room for HGV's, if the ASL's are not properly marked and enforced, it does make things potentially more hazardous for cyclist. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=1606#post-15764 Mon, 01 Nov 2010 11:13:53 +0000 Stepdoh 15764@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>must be ASL season.. <a href="http://ibikelondon.blogspot.com/2010/11/advanced-stop-lines-nature-abhors.html">Mark at IBIKELONDON is talking about them too.</a> Not the edinburgh ones mind you. :) </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=1606#post-15763 Mon, 01 Nov 2010 10:51:46 +0000 cb 15763@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I used to use that junction frequently - the red box always had a car in it or over it, but that was largely due to the poor situation of the markings, and the fact that the box was so far back from the junction.</p> <p>I eventually gave up on the Stevenson Road / Westfield Road sides of the rectangle and started to go Balgreen Road / Gorgie Road instead which is slightly further but much faster, due to the tarffic lights/junctions involved.</p> <p>I'll be back on that route soon... </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=1606#post-15762 Mon, 01 Nov 2010 10:49:29 +0000 steveo 15762@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>The lines now look very fresh so recently, but before that it was years ago when the resurfaced Gorgie. </p> <p>The line is very far back to let the 1 and 2 round the tight corner. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=1606#post-15761 Mon, 01 Nov 2010 10:38:37 +0000 chdot 15761@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Presume you mean <a href="http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&amp;source=s_q&amp;hl=en&amp;geocode=&amp;q=Westfield+Road,+Edinburgh,+United+Kingdom&amp;sll=37.0625,-95.677068&amp;sspn=31.701751,52.558594&amp;ie=UTF8&amp;hq=&amp;hnear=Westfield+Rd,+Edinburgh+EH11,+United+Kingdom&amp;ll=55.936717,-3.239385&amp;spn=0.000342,0.000802&amp;t=k&amp;z=20&amp;layer=c&amp;cbll=55.936717,-3.239385&amp;panoid=QnBTC7fm-iUAozGTPnBqGQ&amp;cbp=12,139.49,,0,21.86">here</a>.</p> <p>Wonder when that was last painted!</p> <p>There seems to have been a <a href="http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&amp;source=s_q&amp;hl=en&amp;geocode=&amp;q=Westfield+Road,+Edinburgh,+United+Kingdom&amp;sll=37.0625,-95.677068&amp;sspn=31.701751,52.558594&amp;ie=UTF8&amp;hq=&amp;hnear=Westfield+Rd,+Edinburgh+EH11,+United+Kingdom&amp;ll=55.936847,-3.23962&amp;spn=0.000345,0.000802&amp;t=k&amp;z=20&amp;layer=c&amp;cbll=55.936784,-3.239506&amp;panoid=auswap_wasgE-WJMYZt0aw&amp;cbp=12,145.24,,0,20.35">cycle lane and ASL box quite far back from lights</a>(?) </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=1606#post-15759 Mon, 01 Nov 2010 10:19:01 +0000 steveo 15759@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>They've repainted the lines at the Gorgie junction of Westfield road but they've neglected to put the ASL in at all. Model Cycling city.... </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=1606#post-15754 Sun, 31 Oct 2010 16:51:05 +0000 chdot 15754@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/chdot/5131584893/in/pool-1193999@N25">Of course it's not just ASLs -</p> <p><img src="http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1145/5131584893_ac0c987e4b_z.jpg"></p> <p></a></p> <p>UPDATE</p> <p>I've even 'reported' it!</p> <p><a href="http://www.fillthathole.org.uk/hazard/40519?key=bb72230471" rel="nofollow">http://www.fillthathole.org.uk/hazard/40519?key=bb72230471</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=1606#post-15717 Fri, 29 Oct 2010 19:35:12 +0000 rosscbrown 15717@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Have you seen the colour of some of the new 'red' patches the City have been putting down recently? It is closer to a 'pink' than red. Until they sort out the colour I'm happy with unshaded ASLs :-) </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=1606#post-15712 Fri, 29 Oct 2010 17:35:03 +0000 Matchstickwarrior 15712@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@Rabid Hamster</p> <p>Sent a message to CEC yesterday and they have passed it to the "appropriate service area" who are to reply to me by 12/11/2010.</p> <p>The very fact that at the spot I mentioned they simply have not repainted the box (red or not) where there used to be one disturbs me. I never saw any consulation notices of the change, which is something they should do. We only have to look at all the effort Spokes put in to get these facilities in the first place, as pointed out by chdot, and if they can then be removed on a whim it sets a worrying precedent. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=1606#post-15687 Fri, 29 Oct 2010 12:55:42 +0000 Dave 15687@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Many drivers honestly think that the line which applies is the closest one to the lights - you can see this advice being given out regularly on drivers' forums.</p> <p>To confuse people I often stop at the first line on the bike (which is technically the legal requirement, although it's a stupid and actively dangerous bit of law).</p> <p>As for the above, well, it's probably a bit much to expect cyclists to stay behind their line, if motorists can't do the same. After all, cyclists are drivers (well, the vast majority are). </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=1606#post-15685 Fri, 29 Oct 2010 12:47:14 +0000 cb 15685@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I never think it looks so good when cars are waiting behind the correct stop line and a cyclist appears and stops beyond the 2nd stop line. </p>