http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ CityCyclingEdinburgh Forum » Topic: New cycle lanes blamed for crash on Milngavie Road (Bears Way) en Tue, 19 May 2026 12:00:01 +0000 http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16164&page=3#post-318802 Tue, 03 Dec 2019 00:17:40 +0000 CycleAlex 318802@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I was looking in to the Bear Way and I don't think I've been this annoyed in a while: <a href="https://www.milngavieherald.co.uk/news/phase-2-of-bears-way-is-not-going-ahead-1-4245341" rel="nofollow">https://www.milngavieherald.co.uk/news/phase-2-of-bears-way-is-not-going-ahead-1-4245341</a></p> <p>“People work hard to own a car and run it and they should not be penalised for that.“</p> <p>“It’s also extremely frustrating for motorists that 8 per cent of cyclists still use the main carriageway.“</p> <p>“Some traders fear this [reduction of paring] could put them out of business.“</p> <p>“Prior to the Bears Way cyclists and motorists existed alongside with no real problems.“</p> <p>“We can’t ignore the 18,000 cars use this road every day.“</p> <p>All of that from an SNP councillor for &lt;rule 2&gt; sake. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16164&page=3#post-235120 Tue, 01 Nov 2016 09:47:23 +0000 steveo 235120@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Given SNP control most of a LA's budget I'm sure they have the levers to get what every they want done, If they'd actually stop playing purely lip service. </p> <p>This is what really irks me about the SNP Executive, they've spent years centralising power, despite decades of calling for Westminster to decentralise, and with all their centralised powers they muck around the edges of stuff and pretend to show a real desire for change all the while collecting more powers and doing nothing but build more roads and produce populist BS all the while waiting for Westminster to put a foot wrong and attempt to embarrass them and eventually call for another bloody referendum.<br /> /off topic rant. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16164&page=3#post-235114 Tue, 01 Nov 2016 07:16:07 +0000 HankChief 235114@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Humza was asked about Bearsway in Holyrood yesterday. </p> <p><em><br /> "Neil Bibby (labour): </p> <p>You mentioned a cycle project that is near your home. On the other side of Glasgow, there is another cycle project—the bears way project in East Dunbartonshire.</p> <p>The Scottish National Party Government in Edinburgh has a policy of promoting cycling, but SNP councillors have rejected that expansion in East Dunbartonshire. </p> <p>Would you like to comment on that?</p> <p>Humza Yousaf: </p> <p>The member would be the first to be up in arms—rightly—if I tried to overturn decisions that a local authority had made. We trust councillors to make the decisions that are pertinent to their local wards and to the councils that they represent.</p> <p>Notwithstanding that, I think that segregated cycleways are an important part of realising our vision for active travel journeys and for 10 per cent of journeys to be by bicycle by 2020.</p> <p>On the back of not just the bears way but a couple of other examples, we could work more closely with local authorities to ensure that they help us to realise our ambitious targets.</p> <p>The member will understand that I cannot intervene in individual local planning decisions, and he would not expect me to do so, but I put on record my commitment and my belief that segregated cycleways are an important part of realising our vision, and I commit to working more closely with local authorities to see how we can help to achieve that. I have the active travel summit coming up in a week’s time, when I hope to give more information about how I will look to do that."</em> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16164&page=3#post-234983 Sun, 30 Oct 2016 00:40:42 +0000 crowriver 234983@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>'Most people are not crossing the river, only a tiny minority of weirdos and idiots even attempt it. So why should we spend money building a bridge for that stupid minority?' </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16164&page=3#post-234952 Sat, 29 Oct 2016 12:06:28 +0000 Min 234952@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"Thus far, the vast majority of people who have been swept off their feet and carried down the river have washed up on the bank still breathing so we don't need the bridge" </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16164&page=3#post-234948 Sat, 29 Oct 2016 11:23:57 +0000 chdot 234948@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>And for crossings rather than segregated lanes this is also true (the river being traffic) -</p> <p>"But no one is crossing the river now so no one is drowning so we don't need the bridge." </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16164&page=3#post-234947 Sat, 29 Oct 2016 11:17:10 +0000 HankChief 234947@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@Stickman - ah. Maybe the Cllr uses a different format of logic. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16164&page=3#post-234943 Sat, 29 Oct 2016 11:01:05 +0000 Stickman 234943@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>But no one is crossing the river now so no one is drowning so we don't need the bridge. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16164&page=3#post-234935 Sat, 29 Oct 2016 08:30:48 +0000 gembo 234935@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>But the bridge will cause people to drown? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16164&page=3#post-234934 Sat, 29 Oct 2016 07:04:45 +0000 HankChief 234934@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>How many people need to drown crossing the river before we decide to build a bridge? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16164&page=2#post-234931 Fri, 28 Oct 2016 23:36:14 +0000 crowriver 234931@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>'Why should this be done for (cycle) commuters - most people drive'</p> <p>Unfortunately this is a point of view shared by many, many people. Presumably quite a few people with similar views vote SNP...</p> <p>Small by name, small-minded by nature... </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16164&page=2#post-234928 Fri, 28 Oct 2016 22:53:41 +0000 chdot 234928@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"Of course a road is going to be safe if no one cycles on it."</p> <p>I think the councillor's argument was worse than that - some people cycled before the new segregation, so it's all ok.</p> <p>I didn't hear the whole thing, but seemed to be full of predictable missingthepointness. </p> <p>'Why should this be done for (cycle) commuters - most people drive'. 'More need to provide local routes to where people want to go - schools etc.' </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16164&page=2#post-234926 Fri, 28 Oct 2016 22:42:56 +0000 ih 234926@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>These SNP Cllrs (it does appear to be them who cause trouble) just completely miss the point. Of course a road is going to be safe if no one cycles on it. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16164&page=2#post-234925 Fri, 28 Oct 2016 22:30:05 +0000 Morningsider 234925@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>You need at least three years worth of accident statistics before you can prove the impact of a particular scheme, anything less is subject to too much random variation. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16164&page=2#post-234914 Fri, 28 Oct 2016 21:26:40 +0000 HankChief 234914@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Bearsway was discussed on John Beattie this lunchtime.</p> <p><a href="http://bbc.in/2dOtH6V">replay from 38mins</a></p> <p>Has Cllr Small (SNP) saying that the road used to be safe and demanding accident statistics to provexplain it otherwise... </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16164&page=2#post-234666 Wed, 26 Oct 2016 15:03:10 +0000 Ed1 234666@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I injured knee last Monday so have been taking the train to work someday, if recovered by then like a long cycle on Sunday often borders or over bridge sometimes, 4 a bit hours Google says`. The only slight issue may be the time of day as the light starts to fade earlier in the day and change in the clocks 13:30 may not leave enough light hours to get back </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16164&page=2#post-234651 Wed, 26 Oct 2016 11:34:26 +0000 magnatom 234651@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Hi Guys,<br /> If any of you can come through that would be brilliant. This isn't just about Bears Way. If we can get a good turnout it will send a message to councils throughout Scotland that we won't just sit back and let bike-lash ruin the chances of a people friendly Scotland. </p> <p>A good turnout will remind councillors that they will have a political battle on their hands if they do vote against good quality cycle schemes. </p> <p>Say hi if you come through! </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16164&page=2#post-234576 Mon, 24 Oct 2016 18:29:59 +0000 Klaxon 234576@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Diarised and free to attend</p> <p>Do love a bit of a mass cycle </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16164&page=2#post-234574 Mon, 24 Oct 2016 18:09:59 +0000 HankChief 234574@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em></p> <p>CCE outing on the 6th ???</em></p> <p>Absolutely. By happy coincidence, the chieflets and I will be in the West for the Track World Cup and the timing just about works :-) </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16164&page=2#post-234535 Mon, 24 Oct 2016 09:48:21 +0000 neddie 234535@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>CCE outing on the 6th ??? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16164&page=2#post-234523 Sun, 23 Oct 2016 20:52:42 +0000 HankChief 234523@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Bearsway Advocacy Ride - 6th November </p> <p><a href="https://friendsofbearsway.wordpress.com/2016/10/23/complete-the-bears-way-advocacy-ride/" rel="nofollow">https://friendsofbearsway.wordpress.com/2016/10/23/complete-the-bears-way-advocacy-ride/</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16164&page=2#post-233286 Fri, 07 Oct 2016 10:18:07 +0000 sallyhinch 233286@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Petition to complete the Bears Way route here <a href="https://you.38degrees.org.uk/petitions/complete-the-bearsway-project?bucket&amp;source=twitter-share-button" rel="nofollow">https://you.38degrees.org.uk/petitions/complete-the-bearsway-project?bucket&amp;source=twitter-share-button</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16164&page=2#post-232659 Sun, 02 Oct 2016 13:52:58 +0000 chdot 232659@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><a href="http://www.magnatom.net/2016/09/my-letter-to-anne.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.magnatom.net/2016/09/my-letter-to-anne.html</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16164&page=2#post-232657 Sun, 02 Oct 2016 13:32:15 +0000 chdot 232657@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><img src="https://c2.staticflickr.com/6/5514/30029255436_b94fa308d1.jpg"></p> <p><a href="https://mobile.twitter.com/SpokesLothian/status/781772902236512257" rel="nofollow">https://mobile.twitter.com/SpokesLothian/status/781772902236512257</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16164&page=2#post-232603 Fri, 30 Sep 2016 20:48:04 +0000 chdot 232603@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"If you look at growth in Edinburgh it's the tech and science sectors that show the most promise"</p> <p>"</p> <p>Caroline Young, PR and content executive at ESPC, told the News why Edinburgh remains a desirable city to live in. </p> <p>She said: “Edinburgh is the financial and political centre of Scotland, and has also made gains in becoming a centre for technology, with Amazon and Skyscanner both located here, so these well-paid jobs are an attractive prospect and therefore drive up demand for property, thus increasing selling prices. </p> <p>“Edinburgh also has a large share of Scotland’s top private schools, and so properties near to those areas drive up prices, as does the desirability of Georgian properties in the New Town, which is a world heritage area.” </p> <p>Councillor Jason Rust, who represents Fairmilehead and Swanston, said he wasn’t surprised two of his wards were named within the highest value areas. </p> <p>He said: “I am not surprised by the figures given the beautiful location beneath the Pentland Hills whereby residents can have the best of both urban and rural environments.</p> <p>"</p> <p><a href="http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/average-house-price-in-49-edinburgh-streets-is-over-1m-1-4244835" rel="nofollow">http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/average-house-price-in-49-edinburgh-streets-is-over-1m-1-4244835</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16164&page=2#post-232565 Fri, 30 Sep 2016 13:59:22 +0000 PS 232565@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>If you look at growth in Edinburgh it's the tech and science sectors that show the most promise - lots to be said for having universities that people want to come to (which can be driven by the built as much as the academic environment). Presence of finance and government help too. </p> <p>Not sure economic dynamism is directly reflected by rushing about. These growth industries are knowledge-based and tend to have a more relaxed attitude to getting got work on time. After all, you can't do time and motion studies on people who aren't doing piece work. </p> <p>But still, put all those slow walkers on bikes and think how much more dynamic would the city seem to investors, Ed1. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16164&page=2#post-232562 Fri, 30 Sep 2016 13:48:13 +0000 crowriver 232562@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"So come 2017 I guess we should all be trying to either get ourselves elected or get Scottish Greens elected?"</p> <p>I'll pass on the former, but intend to do my best to enable the latter. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16164&page=2#post-232560 Fri, 30 Sep 2016 13:42:12 +0000 I were right about that saddle 232560@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Edinburgh could be said to have government, government-supported financial services and a government-supported arms manufacturer as its principal employers. The city is very conservative as a result or as a cause, who knows? And yet we cycle more than other Scots.</p> <p>The SNP seem to my eye to be a coalition between three or four separate wings and generations. I've met one of their councillors and he was frighteningly simian in outlook. Equally I know one of their ex-MSPs and he's as radical as they come. Would fit in the Greens a treat.</p> <p>Their core thing is that they have one 'out there 100% mental' idea to sell and nothing else they do can be allowed to scare any horses. They need to be seen as normal in every other respect and that means following the thundering herd down the dual carriageway to the airport. That thundering herd includes many of us and most of our neighbours and colleagues.</p> <p>So come 2017 I guess we should all be trying to either get ourselves elected or get Scottish Greens elected? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16164&page=2#post-232555 Fri, 30 Sep 2016 13:25:50 +0000 Ed1 232555@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Places that understand the need to attract the dynamic young and intelligent folk that companies”</p> <p>Not sure that Edinburgh is the place for dynamic, more state industry in Edinburgh, government, council, university, banks etc, In Waverley station everyone dawdles annoyingly slowly (compared to London) as they work for the government so it does not matter if get to work on time as non-merit type organizations makes no odds, as outcomes relates more to some pre-determined privilege or so someone said. Possibly Glasgow more for the dynamic using the "station speed indicator" as people seem a bit zippier in the station. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16164&page=2#post-232544 Fri, 30 Sep 2016 11:35:14 +0000 PS 232544@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>London, being rich and dense and packed with clever young people has been forced to accommodate mass cycling</em></p> <p>One would hope the same could be said about Edinburgh.</p> <p>If Scotland is going to be able to stand on its own two feet (and new tax raising powers means it is increasingly incentivised to do so), it will need to ensure it is attractive as a place for people to live, work and play. </p> <p>Places that understand the need to attract the dynamic young and intelligent folk that companies need to be successful are forging ahead with their place-making, traffic-reducing and environment-improving initiatives. </p> <p>Scotland simply isn't at the moment. The governing party has all the levers it needs to do it, including the most centrally controlled party machine I've ever seen in this country, but it just isn't doing it. </p>