http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ CityCyclingEdinburgh Forum » Topic: The shame of it... en Tue, 19 May 2026 06:08:23 +0000 http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16268#post-216863 Fri, 15 Apr 2016 17:48:59 +0000 crowriver 216863@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"New challenge: what's the most fantastical and improbable story we can concoct that the EEN will publish?"</p> <p>I was, once upon a time, a member of a nefarious group called the Top Slot Club which existed with a similar aim, through the medium of "readers letters". The more exotic or scurrilous the concoction, the better. Preferably with a suitably outraged tone or even "high trolling" in internet parlance. The accolade of being granted the 'top slot' i.e.. the featured letter in the paper, was a trophy to savour.</p> <p>Surprisingly easy to get published, a success rate of over 80% was achieved. This was before the staff cutbacks too...</p> <p><a href="https://flic.kr/p/sXxcA"><img src="https://farm1.staticflickr.com/110/305065012_7e339f90a7_n.jpg"></a><a href="https://flic.kr/p/sXxcA">The Top Slot Club</a> by <a href="https://www.flickr.com/photos/19681203@N00/">edinburgh_annuale</a>, on Flickr </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16268#post-216861 Fri, 15 Apr 2016 17:18:59 +0000 ih 216861@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I suspect, as with a lot of services provided, that the contractor paid little attention to the details of the contract and just did what they thought Sustrans wanted (a survey) in a way they thought they could get away with.</p> <p>Contract monitoring is the only answer, but can be demanding. School walls comes to mind. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16268#post-216860 Fri, 15 Apr 2016 17:00:59 +0000 acsimpson 216860@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"steps are being taken to avoid any future incidents involving external contractors breaching contract"</p> <p>I'm not sure exactly what steps they can take other than having a contract. Perhaps putting penalty clauses into the contract? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16268#post-216798 Fri, 15 Apr 2016 11:56:13 +0000 chdot 216798@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"If it has gone out in the paper edition uncredited, the original submitter will have grounds for payment?"</p> <p>Even if credited. The photographer has the copyright. </p> <p>Since 'the Internet' the practicalities of getting photos has been made much easier and an attitude of 'it's public, it's free' increasingly normalised, but there's still laws about copyright - just increasingly ignored and the onus more on the copyright holder to claim - otherwise it seems to be 'permission assumed'. </p> <p>Obviously many people are happy to see their pictures 'in prnt' and don't expect to be paid: personal choice. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16268#post-216795 Fri, 15 Apr 2016 11:45:30 +0000 le_soigneur 216795@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Did they ask for permission to use the photo?</p> <p>EEN are notorious for using google maps uncredited, when google has very strict policy on such things.</p> <p> If it has gone out in the paper edition uncredited, the original submitter will have grounds for payment? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16268#post-216793 Fri, 15 Apr 2016 11:35:53 +0000 Fountainbridge 216793@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I have a theory that if you were to send a well written press release about anything to the EEN they'd publish it nearly word for word </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16268#post-216792 Fri, 15 Apr 2016 11:33:52 +0000 I were right about that saddle 216792@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>We used to compete to get letters into the Daily Record back in the day. 'Hitler's bombers could not have done a worse job than these so-called decorators' was perhaps the pinnacle. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16268#post-216791 Fri, 15 Apr 2016 11:29:49 +0000 Wilmington's Cow 216791@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I went for a week trying to get stroppy, made up, letters into the EEN. I think I got three of my 5 in (false names and addresses - can't even remember what I wrote, but I'm sure one was about cyclists not paying road tax). </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16268#post-216789 Fri, 15 Apr 2016 11:25:21 +0000 panyagua 216789@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>The first time I've been quoted in the EEN, albeit anonymously. I'm not intending to read the comments, though, as I suspect they would make me angrier than someone driving a car onto the NEPN. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16268#post-216766 Fri, 15 Apr 2016 10:11:55 +0000 chdot 216766@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"Ah well, at least we know the local rags come on here for their stories"</p> <p>I 'blame' Twitter - which is why Sustrans dealt with it. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16268#post-216765 Fri, 15 Apr 2016 10:10:41 +0000 I were right about that saddle 216765@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@Stickman</p> <p>That needs to come offline and into the pub post-PoP. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16268#post-216764 Fri, 15 Apr 2016 10:09:31 +0000 Min 216764@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Stickman that would be very wrong.. :-(</p> <p><strong>I love it!</strong> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16268#post-216758 Fri, 15 Apr 2016 10:04:03 +0000 Stickman 216758@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>Haha, I like that the EEN is now actually getting the news from us!</em></p> <p>New challenge: what's the most fantastical and improbable story we can concoct that the EEN will publish? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16268#post-216754 Fri, 15 Apr 2016 09:58:55 +0000 Dave 216754@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I stopped and filled out the survey. I did think it was vaguely odd to have driven onto the path but only because the road is so close - there are often bike or travel related things where people park vehicles at five ways.</p> <p>The path is also full of vehicles every day for the various building works lower down, plus council vehicle movements. All in all, giant meh and not commentworthy. EEN must be desperate? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16268#post-216747 Fri, 15 Apr 2016 09:47:33 +0000 PS 216747@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>It's nice to be a key information source for the city's press.</p> <p>I've been misquoted though - they've missed out my use of "b*" </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16268#post-216746 Fri, 15 Apr 2016 09:46:22 +0000 Min 216746@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Haha, I like that the EEN is now actually getting the news from <em>us</em>! </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16268#post-216744 Fri, 15 Apr 2016 09:41:51 +0000 Wilmington's Cow 216744@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"Thee are many who cannot cycle and their aim seems to be to turn Edinburgh into another Amsterdam."</p> <p>Well.... Yes please...</p> <p>The article does really push the 'angry' side doesn't it (the tweet from the allegedly 'angry' cyclist is really rather measured...). Ah well, at least we know the local rags come on here for their stories (even if they then leave out any actual facts and put a spin on it).</p> <p>Interestingly one of the commenters thinks the 'cycling lobby' gets too much publicity, but really all these rags do is stir up hatred <em>against</em> cyclists. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16268#post-216740 Fri, 15 Apr 2016 09:34:21 +0000 Stickman 216740@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>.anger...anger...anger....anger</p> <p>Cyclists really are an angry lot. Apparently. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16268#post-216735 Fri, 15 Apr 2016 09:30:44 +0000 I were right about that saddle 216735@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><a href="http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/our-region/edinburgh/haymarket/sustrans-contractor-parks-car-on-cycle-path-1-4100887">How did we miss this?</a></p> <p>Comments will be joyous. Who <em>is</em> that askance looker in blue?</p> <p>EDIT</p> <p><em>One member of a city cycling forum wrote: “If I hadn’t been hurrying to work I would have stopped and asked why they felt the need to bring a car onto the path. What kind of signal does that send out?”</em> </p>