http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ CityCyclingEdinburgh Forum » Topic: "Pedestrian killed during Edinburgh police pursuit" en Thu, 21 May 2026 17:02:29 +0000 http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16394#post-246782 Thu, 13 Apr 2017 20:01:44 +0000 chdot 246782@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><a href="http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/our-region/edinburgh/no-charges-for-police-in-fatal-edinburgh-car-chase-1-4419395" rel="nofollow">http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/our-region/edinburgh/no-charges-for-police-in-fatal-edinburgh-car-chase-1-4419395</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16394#post-221108 Thu, 26 May 2016 19:59:17 +0000 Stickman 221108@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><a href="http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/teen-committed-for-trial-over-city-nurse-death-crash-1-4138956" rel="nofollow">http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/teen-committed-for-trial-over-city-nurse-death-crash-1-4138956</a></p> <p>Comments left on. Again. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16394#post-220322 Wed, 18 May 2016 13:12:41 +0000 Wilmington's Cow 220322@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"I suspect it's incompetence rather than click-bait"</p> <p>I'm not entirely convinced given comments were being moderated and 'some' were removed. If the comments weren't supposed to be on then they could, in theory, just remove all of the comments, given they clearly know how to do that (and it was comments removed in the middle, not from the start, then more comments in). </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16394#post-220317 Wed, 18 May 2016 13:06:10 +0000 Rob 220317@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>"If it became known that police would never pursue in a built up area then the deterrent effect of the law becomes lost."</em></p> <p>Worse than that, any pursuit becomes a race to the nearest built up area. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16394#post-220316 Wed, 18 May 2016 13:04:34 +0000 Stickman 220316@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Yeah, I also tweeted Alastair Grant directly to ask him to speak to his colleagues. </p> <p>I suspect it's incompetence rather than click-bait: probably some work-experience kid or offshore person who uploads the stories to the website and doesn't know to switch off the comments. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16394#post-220315 Wed, 18 May 2016 13:02:07 +0000 threefromleith 220315@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I pointed out earlier via Twitter that they may be in trouble for allowing people to post the names of the accused in the comments.</p> <p>They've now disabled and removed them from the story. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16394#post-220296 Wed, 18 May 2016 10:25:31 +0000 chdot 220296@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"I suspect that's the one that has been removed"</p> <p>It's still there. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16394#post-220281 Wed, 18 May 2016 09:11:27 +0000 Wilmington's Cow 220281@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I suspect that's the one that has been removed. Which means the comments are being moderated. Which means it can't be a mistake that they've been left on. Ridiculous. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16394#post-220279 Tue, 17 May 2016 23:37:04 +0000 chdot 220279@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Another story with the comments open. Someone has even named the (alleged) driver. If true, no doubt they will be named in court, but...</p> <p>"</p> <p>The boy is ***** ******* complete scum no licence no care in the world hope he gets life. </p> <p>"</p> <p><a href="http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/jill-pirrie-man-18-arrested-over-fatal-collision-1-4131068" rel="nofollow">http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/jill-pirrie-man-18-arrested-over-fatal-collision-1-4131068</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16394#post-220086 Mon, 16 May 2016 15:38:28 +0000 Snowy 220086@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>It's a very sad outcome and condolences to the family.</p> <p>The police are in something of a no-win situation with the pursuit scenario. </p> <p>If they spot a car which ANPR has flagged as uninsured, and they ask it to stop, and it speeds off instead, what should they do?</p> <p>Avoid pursuing? In most cases, this is the worst possible choice. If it became known that police would never pursue in a built up area then the deterrent effect of the law becomes lost. "Don't worry about not having a licence or insurance, just drive away quickly and they won't do anything". Great.</p> <p>The police can't initially tell what else is going on but they are duty bound to find out. Lack of insurance on a vehicle is a flag that correlates highly with other things that the police are even more interested in. A big example is that of habitual drunk drivers, who are banned and can't get insurance. So, they have to follow it up, unless there is a high risk which indicates otherwise. And there's the nub if it - how can they ever tell what's round the corner or see the future? </p> <p>If a driver flees the police, and later that evening ran someone over and killed them, the police would doubtless face criticism for *not* pursuing them.</p> <p>We weren't there and so we'll never have the info that police had when they took the decision to pursue, but we have to accept that in the absence of more effective mechanisms for keeping dangerous drivers off the roads, the police will still have to chase people. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16394#post-220045 Mon, 16 May 2016 11:26:02 +0000 Ed1 220045@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>A high speed chase in a built-up area because no insurance, seems unusual would not be proportional risk to justify, however may be more to it. It could be was other reasons, or it may be the police car put lights and the ford KA put the foot down rather than high speed chase it may be the police was following from a distance. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16394#post-220039 Mon, 16 May 2016 11:09:09 +0000 chdot 220039@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"</p> <p>The police investigation is ongoing, but witnesses have told how the Ford Ka was being chased at a high speed by a police car with its sirens flashing when the collision happened on Old Dalkeith Road, not far from the Aaron Lodge.</p> <p>It is understood the car attracted the attention of police because it had no insurance.</p> <p>"</p> <p><a href="http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/crime/jill-pirrie-s-police-chase-death-sparks-flood-of-donations-1-4128537" rel="nofollow">http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/crime/jill-pirrie-s-police-chase-death-sparks-flood-of-donations-1-4128537</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16394#post-219913 Sat, 14 May 2016 11:57:50 +0000 chdot 219913@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Comments finally turned off (and previous ones consequently removed) this morning.</p> <p>But not before someone had posted saying that some young boys had been driving around local area for months - 'police know who they are, so do parents'. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16394#post-219892 Fri, 13 May 2016 20:54:58 +0000 chdot 219892@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Story updated</p> <p><a href="http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/crime/young-mum-jill-pirrie-killed-during-edinburgh-police-pursuit-1-4127061" rel="nofollow">http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/crime/young-mum-jill-pirrie-killed-during-edinburgh-police-pursuit-1-4127061</a></p> <p>Comments still on. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16394#post-219849 Fri, 13 May 2016 14:46:53 +0000 fimm 219849@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><a href="http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-36283552" rel="nofollow">http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-36283552</a><br /> "<em>Three men have been detained in connection with an incident in which a woman died after being hit by a car that was being pursued by police.</em>" </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16394#post-219841 Fri, 13 May 2016 14:19:24 +0000 chdot 219841@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><a href="http://www.scotland.police.uk/whats-happening/news/2016/may/update-on-enquiries-into-fatal-collision-on-old-dalkeith-road" rel="nofollow">http://www.scotland.police.uk/whats-happening/news/2016/may/update-on-enquiries-into-fatal-collision-on-old-dalkeith-road</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16394#post-219823 Fri, 13 May 2016 13:26:21 +0000 Wilmington's Cow 219823@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>18 comments so far. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16394#post-219814 Fri, 13 May 2016 13:04:22 +0000 kaputnik 219814@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>It takes a particular kind of sicko to read the tragic death of someone and to think "oh, someone's dead. Excellent, a chance for me to make a nonsensical point about something". </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16394#post-219813 Fri, 13 May 2016 13:00:21 +0000 chdot 219813@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"</p> <p>Ms Pirrie, who has a young son, was on her way home after finishing work as a theatre nurse at the Edinburgh Royal Infirmary.</p> <p>Locals said four teenagers, thought to be aged around 15, were in the car that crashed. It is thought two were injured and were arrested at the scene and the other two are still being sought.</p> <p>"</p> <p><a href="http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/crime/young-mum-jill-pirrie-killed-during-edinburgh-police-pursuit-1-4127061" rel="nofollow">http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/crime/young-mum-jill-pirrie-killed-during-edinburgh-police-pursuit-1-4127061</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16394#post-219810 Fri, 13 May 2016 12:54:42 +0000 threefromleith 219810@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Every time it happens, the EEN claims it was an accident caused by the person uploading the story forgetting to tick the 'disable comment section' checkbox. Strange the way that they never forget to disable comments on stories where there's on ongoing legal case, which would lead to them being sued.</p> <p>You'd think it'd be the default to have comments disabled on a news site, and require explicit permission to allow them.</p> <p>Personally I'm cynical about the 'we forgot' excuse. They know which stories will be clickbait gold for ad revenue, so chance leaving them open until they get a sufficient number of complaints. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16394#post-219792 Fri, 13 May 2016 12:08:37 +0000 chdot 219792@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"</p> <p>Radio Forth News (@RadioForthNews)<br /> 13/05/2016, 10:15<br /> Police at the scene of a fatal police chase on Old Dalkeith Road say the route will re-open within 30 minutes. </p> <p><a href="http://pic.twitter.com/GHghcjTvQ4" rel="nofollow">http://pic.twitter.com/GHghcjTvQ4</a></p> <p>"</p> <p>Shut all night and morning commute hour then.</p> <p>CHAOS(?) </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16394#post-219780 Fri, 13 May 2016 10:49:13 +0000 Wilmington's Cow 219780@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Another story on which comments should be turned off. Is the EEN really that in need of clickbait? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16394#post-219778 Fri, 13 May 2016 10:37:41 +0000 chdot 219778@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><a href="http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/pedestrian-killed-during-edinburgh-police-pursuit-1-4127061" rel="nofollow">http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/pedestrian-killed-during-edinburgh-police-pursuit-1-4127061</a> </p>