http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ CityCyclingEdinburgh Forum » Topic: "The A720 Isn’t Fit For Purpose" en Sun, 31 May 2026 13:26:21 +0000 http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16402#post-296445 Mon, 26 Nov 2018 16:23:04 +0000 neddie 296445@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>No shortage of money for moar roads!</p> <p><a href="https://www.eastlothiancourier.com/news/17241416.new-slip-road-proposed-straight-from-a1-to-city-of-edinburgh-bypass/" rel="nofollow">https://www.eastlothiancourier.com/news/17241416.new-slip-road-proposed-straight-from-a1-to-city-of-edinburgh-bypass/</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16402#post-240197 Wed, 04 Jan 2017 18:15:22 +0000 chdot 240197@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"</p> <p>Our city has so much going for it, yet after four wasted years of an administration which has run out of steam there is much to do. Edinburgh needs more effort to minimise congestion, especially on the City Bypass. We need more housing to reduce the pressure, especially on our young people, to move and commute from afar.</p> <p>"</p> <p><a href="http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/opinion/cameron-rose-out-with-the-old-and-in-with-the-new-this-may-1-4330864" rel="nofollow">http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/opinion/cameron-rose-out-with-the-old-and-in-with-the-new-this-may-1-4330864</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16402#post-239456 Mon, 19 Dec 2016 18:01:46 +0000 mgj 239456@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Or, create jobs near houses, and institute an increased per capita GDP/negative overall growth policy. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16402#post-239455 Mon, 19 Dec 2016 18:00:08 +0000 Morningsider 239455@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>IWRATS - outline plans for the bypass bus lane have actually been worked on already:</p> <p><a href="http://www.sestran.gov.uk/files/EOBP%20Final%20Report.PDF" rel="nofollow">http://www.sestran.gov.uk/files/EOBP%20Final%20Report.PDF</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16402#post-239454 Mon, 19 Dec 2016 17:57:14 +0000 Morningsider 239454@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>The UK Government is starting to get worried about falling fuel duty income from the uptake of low emission vehicles, which will only increase in the future. Watch the idea of a national road user charging scheme gain traction over the next few years (possibly as a replacement for VED) - as this would be a way to maintain income. </p> <p>This could do more to reduce congestion than any road building scheme. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16402#post-239451 Mon, 19 Dec 2016 17:51:57 +0000 I were right about that saddle 239451@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>How about;</p> <p>Moving jobs to other cities in Scotland<br /> Make houses cheaper and easier to buy and sell<br /> Build houses near jobs<br /> Find out where people are traveling from and to<br /> Build a segregated bypass bus lane<br /> Have buses going from where people are to where they want to go</p> <p>The last thing you want to do is what this dude is suggesting. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16402#post-239444 Mon, 19 Dec 2016 17:01:28 +0000 Rob 239444@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>How effective are car pool lanes? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16402#post-239443 Mon, 19 Dec 2016 16:56:55 +0000 neddie 239443@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>This needs to be dealt with in a more intelligent, structured way</em></p> <p>Limiting demand by charging, especially during peak hours.</p> <p>Increasing supply by charging, then reinvesting in a self-sustaining way (instead of being subsidised by all tax payers, drivers or not) </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16402#post-239440 Mon, 19 Dec 2016 16:15:10 +0000 amir 239440@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Many of the hold-ups on the A720 are due to:<br /> 1) drivers unable to resist changing lanes to "optimise" their own speed (causes "turbulance" and slows whole system down) and drive smoothly without<br /> 2) collisions caused by poor driving (tailgating is particularly evident on this road)<br /> 3) breakdowns (perhaps due to poor maintenance but hard shoulders are lacking along some of the length)</p> <p>Ultimately though the high levels of usage must be a major factor but increasing capacity would just cause problems elsewhere. This needs to be dealt with in a more intelligent, structured way. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16402#post-239431 Mon, 19 Dec 2016 14:22:16 +0000 crowriver 239431@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Oh look, it's Lothian Tory MSP Miles Briggs again! He of the Waverley station taxi rank complaints.</p> <p>Is he by any chance a keen motorist? I think we should be told. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16402#post-239428 Mon, 19 Dec 2016 13:53:40 +0000 chdot 239428@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><a href="http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/our-region/edinburgh/call-for-more-speed-on-work-to-improve-edinburgh-city-bypass-1-4320944" rel="nofollow">http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/our-region/edinburgh/call-for-more-speed-on-work-to-improve-edinburgh-city-bypass-1-4320944</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16402#post-220669 Mon, 23 May 2016 07:09:36 +0000 Min 220669@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Companies are already free to promise all sorts in return for building houses. They simply build the houses and then "run out of money" before they have to do the boring stuff. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16402#post-220665 Mon, 23 May 2016 02:57:22 +0000 Tulyar 220665@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>You want to build houses than you pay for the transport infrastructure as well or you don't get to build the houses? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16402#post-220664 Sun, 22 May 2016 22:58:57 +0000 chdot 220664@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"</p> <p>Has Sir David ever driven on the city bypass heading west at rush hour? Has he heard the traffic reports about the congestion at Hermiston Gait? Does he realise that there are no trams on his side of the tracks or that St John’s Road in Corstorphine is already Scotland’s most polluted street?</p> <p>"</p> <p><a href="http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/opinion/gina-davidson-has-sir-david-ever-driven-bypass-at-rush-hour-1-4132731" rel="nofollow">http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/opinion/gina-davidson-has-sir-david-ever-driven-bypass-at-rush-hour-1-4132731</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16402#post-220173 Tue, 17 May 2016 11:36:04 +0000 Charlethepar 220173@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>The authors do have something of a point, in that there is a gross lack of joined up thinking in planning policy. Policy demands parking provision. Policy allows low-density development on the periphery of cities, difficult to serve properly with effective public transport. Policy allows developments with no shopping or community facilities, with people assumed to be driving to meet every need. At the same time, policy wrings it hands at increasing traffic, and sets arbitrary targets for "sustainable" transport. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16402#post-220170 Tue, 17 May 2016 11:27:08 +0000 Murun Buchstansangur 220170@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Anyone else find it a bit depressing that all a second year architecture student is willing to advocate as a solution is "build more roads"? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16402#post-220127 Mon, 16 May 2016 23:22:07 +0000 chdot 220127@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Yes, but that's the point - if the new housing is mostly for people who <em>want</em> to commute who should pay for the transport infrastructure?</p> <p>If people <em>have</em> to commute, perhaps there is a lack of adequately worked out planning and other policies...</p> <p>Certainly difficult to solve with the current local authorities setup. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16402#post-220124 Mon, 16 May 2016 23:10:28 +0000 kaputnik 220124@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I think it's probably a fair guess to say that a lot of the growth of Mid (and West) Lothian and probably Fife too, in recent years has been of commuters. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16402#post-220123 Mon, 16 May 2016 23:06:46 +0000 chdot 220123@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>There's a petition too (with comments) - some fairly predictable along the lines of 'I'm spending to much time commuting, something must be done'. </p> <p>With 'it'll only get worse if all the planned houses in Midlothian are built' - which certainly would be true if the 'only' work remained in Edinburgh. </p> <p><a href="https://www.change.org/p/scottish-government-make-the-edinburgh-city-bypass-fit-for-the-21st-century/c" rel="nofollow">https://www.change.org/p/scottish-government-make-the-edinburgh-city-bypass-fit-for-the-21st-century/c</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16402#post-220122 Mon, 16 May 2016 22:13:05 +0000 neddie 220122@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>There's your answer to what SG can spend the next £3bn on that's burning a hole in their pockets. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16402#post-220117 Mon, 16 May 2016 21:13:19 +0000 chdot 220117@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"Heck, why not just build a dual carriageway directly through Penicuik and be done with it?"</p> <p>Been there...</p> <p>"</p> <p>The protesters have set up camp in Bilston Wood, which is on the route of a new stretch of the A701 road set to be built between Edinburgh and Penicuik.</p> <p>"</p> <p><a href="http://www.scotsman.com/news/going-out-on-a-limb-to-stop-a-road-1-847267" rel="nofollow">http://www.scotsman.com/news/going-out-on-a-limb-to-stop-a-road-1-847267</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16402#post-220114 Mon, 16 May 2016 21:06:23 +0000 kaputnik 220114@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><a href="http://www.penicuikcuckoo.co.uk/2016/05/infrastructure-expand-housing/" rel="nofollow">http://www.penicuikcuckoo.co.uk/2016/05/infrastructure-expand-housing/</a></p> <p>I thought it was a joke, but they're seriously agitating for the Bypass to be expanded to 3 lanes each way...</p> <p>Apparently, it's the fault of the 1980s;, which "lacked vision, creating a city bypass that had very little scope for expansion".</p> <p>Number 4 and 5 on their list of priorities are;</p> <p>"Complete the feasibility studies for the Edinburgh Orbital Bus Route and implement, if viable, once a third lane runs alongside the entire length of the City Bypass. Residents should be urged to commute by rapid bus rather than car, perhaps introducing a London style £1.50 hourly travel ticket that would allow a free connection at any of the park and rides.</p> <p>Investigate other transport options by commissioning feasibility studies into the reopening of the Penicuik (or Peebles) and Edinburgh suburban railway lines."</p> <p>I'd suggest those should be #1 and #2, as it seems to be rather strange to spend a huge amount of money to add 50% to the capacity of a road only to follow it up with demand reduction methods!</p> <p>The writer also seems to be rather blind to the effects of sticking a whole lot of extra traffic down a bypass road to the effects at the junctions and roads leading to/from them. Heck, why not just build a dual carriageway directly through Penicuik and be done with it? </p>