http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ CityCyclingEdinburgh Forum » Topic: "Queensferry Crossing project ‘months behind schedule’ " en Wed, 13 May 2026 03:07:53 +0000 http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16487&page=27#post-370787 Thu, 28 Sep 2023 20:01:39 +0000 chdot 370787@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>“</p> <p>Transport Exclusive:Inside the Queensferry Crossing as you’ve never seen it before: Monorail hidden within bridge </p> <p>“</p> <p><a href="https://archive.ph/rImqr" rel="nofollow">https://archive.ph/rImqr</a></p> <p>Scotsman </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16487&page=27#post-362124 Sat, 23 Jul 2022 18:28:19 +0000 chdot 362124@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><a href="https://www.bearscot.com/queensferry-crossing-cable-cleaning/" rel="nofollow">https://www.bearscot.com/queensferry-crossing-cable-cleaning/</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16487&page=27#post-354178 Mon, 30 Aug 2021 14:26:12 +0000 crowriver 354178@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Maybe they should have considered the climatic conditions when designing the bridge, and before building it? Just a thought. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16487&page=27#post-354168 Mon, 30 Aug 2021 08:04:48 +0000 chdot 354168@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>“</p> <p>Full-scale tests to be carried out at Jules Verne climatic wind tunnel in France </p> <p>“</p> <p><a href="https://www.bearscot.com/queensferry-crossing-ice-mitigation-trials/" rel="nofollow">https://www.bearscot.com/queensferry-crossing-ice-mitigation-trials/</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16487&page=27#post-354141 Sat, 28 Aug 2021 12:23:24 +0000 chdot 354141@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><a href="https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/transport/queensferry-crossing-speed-limit-to-be-imposed-as-cables-are-cleaned-for-ice-mitigation-trial-3362641" rel="nofollow">https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/transport/queensferry-crossing-speed-limit-to-be-imposed-as-cables-are-cleaned-for-ice-mitigation-trial-3362641</a></p> <p>Might make traffic ‘flow’ better… </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16487&page=27#post-324615 Sat, 14 Mar 2020 20:07:17 +0000 gembo 324615@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>We're Scottish, we drive in Edinburgh and Fife and we don't care about global warming? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16487&page=27#post-324614 Sat, 14 Mar 2020 19:51:27 +0000 I were right about that saddle 324614@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Dartfordisation was always the plan. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16487&page=27#post-324605 Sat, 14 Mar 2020 17:20:40 +0000 acsimpson 324605@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>And so it begins </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16487&page=27#post-324596 Sat, 14 Mar 2020 13:43:29 +0000 chdot 324596@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><a href="https://www.thecourier.co.uk/fp/news/local/fife/1186223/exclusive-forth-road-bridge-could-reopen-to-general-traffic-in-emergency-transport-minister-confirms/" rel="nofollow">https://www.thecourier.co.uk/fp/news/local/fife/1186223/exclusive-forth-road-bridge-could-reopen-to-general-traffic-in-emergency-transport-minister-confirms/</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16487&page=27#post-324028 Fri, 06 Mar 2020 17:50:52 +0000 chdot 324028@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><a href="https://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/queensferry-crossing-designers-knew-falling-ice-risks-2101248" rel="nofollow">https://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/queensferry-crossing-designers-knew-falling-ice-risks-2101248</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16487&page=27#post-322878 Wed, 19 Feb 2020 14:49:52 +0000 Stickman 322878@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><a href="https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/opinion/columnists/when-did-queensferry-crossing-become-sacred-symbol-independence-alex-cole-hamilton-1848545" rel="nofollow">https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/opinion/columnists/when-did-queensferry-crossing-become-sacred-symbol-independence-alex-cole-hamilton-1848545</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16487&page=27#post-322860 Wed, 19 Feb 2020 11:46:30 +0000 CocoShepherd 322860@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><a href="https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/opinion/columnists/great-queensferry-crossing-disaster-i-found-silver-lining-kevan-christie-1741192?itm_source=parsely-api">The great Queensferry Crossing disaster: I found a silver lining - Kevan Christie</a></p> <p>Turns out the park and ride is quicker than driving, n=1.</p> <p>Who knew. BUT luckily everyone will ignore this and other inconvenient truths and continue to drive. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16487&page=27#post-322708 Sun, 16 Feb 2020 17:25:13 +0000 LaidBack 322708@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@TheForthBridges</p> <p>#StormDennis</p> <p>Very strong winds are forecast today and tonight:</p> <p>✅ Queensferry Crossing expected to remain open thanks to wind shielding </p> <p>⚠️ Restrictions expected on Forth Road Bridge, including possible full closure this evening</p> <p>Check <a href="https://t.co/IJGk88n9sv" rel="nofollow">https://t.co/IJGk88n9sv</a> for latest. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16487&page=27#post-322657 Fri, 14 Feb 2020 19:16:22 +0000 gembo 322657@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@ejstubbs, so really you just added the bit about the overnight bivvy. That is nothing </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16487&page=27#post-322645 Fri, 14 Feb 2020 15:20:25 +0000 ejstubbs 322645@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@IWRATS: A kind soul on another forum has directed me to the original source of the Arthur's Seat anecdote I alluded to previously on this thread:</p> <p><a href="https://www.smc.org.uk/downloads/archives/journal/Volume5_6_9/Scottish%20Mountaineering%20Club%20-%201906%20-%201907%20ocr%20Vol%209.pdf" rel="nofollow">https://www.smc.org.uk/downloads/archives/journal/Volume5_6_9/Scottish%20Mountaineering%20Club%20-%201906%20-%201907%20ocr%20Vol%209.pdf</a></p> <p>Page 287:</p> <p><em>...Arthur’s Seat ... was ascended by one of the best and most famous of Alpine guides, Emile Rey of Courmayeur, when on a visit to Scotland with Mr C. D. Cunningham in 1886...</p> <p>As a striking instance of the difficulty of judging dis­tances under unfamiliar conditions, the story is told of how Rey, looking up at the hill from Holyrood Palace, was asked, “How long did he reckon it would take to gain the top?” He replied, “Two and a half to three hours,” whereas the party reached the top in twenty-five minutes.</em> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16487&page=27#post-322639 Fri, 14 Feb 2020 14:28:52 +0000 chdot 322639@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><a href="https://www.scotsman.com/news/opinion/columnists/queensferry-crossing-how-unionists-are-using-this-stunning-bridge-as-political-pawn-joyce-mcmillan-1-5090434" rel="nofollow">https://www.scotsman.com/news/opinion/columnists/queensferry-crossing-how-unionists-are-using-this-stunning-bridge-as-political-pawn-joyce-mcmillan-1-5090434</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16487&page=27#post-322638 Fri, 14 Feb 2020 13:47:19 +0000 Rosie 322638@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>New Zealand bush can be dangerous. It's dense rain forest, so if you stray off the marked path you can quite easily get lost - that happened to a jogger in one of the bushy areas of Auckland! The terrain is very steep. Also, it's a maritime climate, so there are quick changes of weather and fast rising rivers. And some areas really are remote. You may not see a house or another human being all day. </p> <p>It is beautiful though. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16487&page=27#post-322615 Fri, 14 Feb 2020 11:36:35 +0000 fimm 322615@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I would say that Ben Nevis has very similar problems. It is also easier to climb than Mont Blanc. There's often reports about the amount of rubbish removed from the summit and surrounds. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16487&page=27#post-322612 Fri, 14 Feb 2020 10:22:56 +0000 jonty 322612@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Deeply sad - of course it's summer there, but that clearly gives as few guarantees as it does here.</p> <p>Some <a href="https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/feb/13/france-limit-access-mont-blanc-protect-biodiversity-macron">news from France</a> that caught my eye this morning:</p> <p><blockquote> The French government is to establish a protected zone around Mont Blanc and limit the number of people who can access the summit, which at just over 4,800 metres is the highest in western Europe.</p> <p>“It is all well and good to worry about the Amazon rainforest, but to ignore what is happening on Mont Blanc and to allow this disrespect to continue is intolerable,” Peillex wrote last September. He said “oddballs” were polluting the mountain, citing a recent attempt by a former British Royal Marine to summit Mont Blanc for charity while carrying a full-sized rowing machine, which he abandoned on the path down.</p> <p>As many as 30,000 people attempt to climb Mont Blanc every year – around 200-300 a day. Some ignore weather and safety warnings and many leave rubbish on the mountain.</blockquote></p> <p>At least it's not got that bad here, although didn't they have to take a piano off a while ago? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16487&page=27#post-322607 Fri, 14 Feb 2020 09:36:57 +0000 chdot 322607@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Not Ben Nevis </p> <p>Not a bridge</p> <p>Not winter</p> <p>“<br /> The 32-year-old from Essex, who was on a working holiday, had not been seen since she went for a hike – or tramp as it is known in New Zealand – at the weekend in the Mount Aspiring national park, home to one of New Zealand’s highest peaks. </p> <p>The park is rugged and covers alpine and trans-alpine regions. Weather conditions, influenced by the Southern Alps, change quickly, with large rivers also prone to sudden and unexpected swelling. </p> <p>“</p> <p><a href="https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/feb/14/stephanie-simpson-body-of-missing-british-hiker-found-in-new-zealand" rel="nofollow">https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/feb/14/stephanie-simpson-body-of-missing-british-hiker-found-in-new-zealand</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16487&page=27#post-322604 Fri, 14 Feb 2020 02:35:35 +0000 acsimpson 322604@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@ejstubbs, is the QC not semi-fan? The cables closer to the towers are closer to vertical. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16487&page=27#post-322578 Thu, 13 Feb 2020 14:04:32 +0000 Rosie 322578@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>One of the pleasures of cycling is that you are in touch with the weather. You aren't in the eternal modern cocoon, when the slightest inconvenience turns spoiled consumers into shrieking hysterics. It wouldn't be good if a main artery bridge was closed every fortnight, but the occasional reminder that there is something called weather out there, which affects humankind and other mammals isn't a bad thing.</p> <p>And people love swapping tales of adventure, of eg having to walk 3 miles in snow to work when the Beast from the East struck. Meanwhile my Romanian flatmate was shaking her head and saying, it's just snow. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16487&page=27#post-322574 Thu, 13 Feb 2020 13:13:31 +0000 chdot 322574@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><a href="https://www.thenational.scot/news/18231069.media-hysteria-closure-new-bridge-detracts-real-story/" rel="nofollow">https://www.thenational.scot/news/18231069.media-hysteria-closure-new-bridge-detracts-real-story/</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16487&page=27#post-322566 Thu, 13 Feb 2020 11:35:23 +0000 ejstubbs 322566@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@LaidBack: <em>Ice falling from bridge cables is not unique to Scotland...<br /> Last year the Öresund Bridge was closed for this reason.</em></p> <p>Oresund has been closed a number of times. Even the Second Severn Crossing has been affected in the past:</p> <p><a href="https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-51473419" rel="nofollow">https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-51473419</a></p> <p><em>On FRB the cables go between the road and cycle decks so assume ice falls into sea?</em></p> <p>I think that will depend to a degree on which direction the wind is blowing, and how strong. I think the main difference between the FRB and QC is that on the FRB it's only the main suspension cables that are can accumulate and then drop ice - the vertical suspender cables aren't likely to shed ice other than in strong winds (which close the FRB anyway). Cable-stayed bridges like the QC (and, perhaps appropriately, the Second Severn Crossing*) have more shallow-angled lengths of cable on which ice can accumulate and then drop straight off as it starts to thaw. I'd hazard a guess that the issue is probably more likely to occur on <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cable-stayed_bridge#Designs">harp-style cable-stayed bridges</a> like the QC compared to fan-style, which seems inherently to have more near-vertical lengths of cable.</p> <p><em>* Apparently it has officially been renamed the <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Severn_Crossing#Renaming">Prince of Wales Bridge</a> - at a cost of more than £200K - but no-one seems to call it that.</em> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16487&page=27#post-322563 Thu, 13 Feb 2020 11:18:01 +0000 ejstubbs 322563@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@Rosie (again): <em>Lochaber Mountain Rescue are being very nice about the blokes they rescued</em></p> <p>Indeed. And if you look at the story on their <a href="https://www.facebook.com/lochabermrt/posts/2676315752417611?__tn__=K-R">FB page</a> you can see nice presents and thank you card that the rescued party presented them with. They also make the point that: "Not all mountain rescue is about mountains and many teams outwith the Highlands, and even those in the Highlands, do provide resilience cover at times of severe weather/flooding and when the full time agencies cannot cope with scale of an incident." <a href="https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-south-scotland-51479269">Moffat MRT was out on Tuesday night helping folks stuck on the A702</a>. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16487&page=26#post-322562 Thu, 13 Feb 2020 11:17:45 +0000 I were right about that saddle 322562@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@ejstubbs</p> <p>I had a similar episode in the Beaujolais Hills once. I'd been told Mont Blanc was visible and I was scouring the horizon when my eyes flipped and I realized it was occupying half the sky in front of me. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16487&page=26#post-322560 Thu, 13 Feb 2020 11:04:00 +0000 ejstubbs 322560@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@Rosie: <em>Scottish wilderness doesn't look that wild.</em></p> <p>There is an old story about a party of climbers from various alpine countries being hosted by the fledgling SMC in Edinburgh. The story goes that they were impressed by Arthur's Seat and started discussing the likely best routes, possible places to bivouac en route and so forth. They were rather taken aback to be told that you could pop up and back in a couple of hours.</p> <p>Very likely apocryphal, but there is a lesson buried in there: that what you think you see may be conditioned by what you're used to seeing.</p> <p>And, as you hinted, even a fairly benign-looking landscape can change its character very quickly when the weather turns. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16487&page=26#post-322557 Thu, 13 Feb 2020 10:41:11 +0000 jonty 322557@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>A very interesting collection!</p> <p>I suppose we will never know whether viewers of these signs have gone on to be more cavalier in other outdoor pursuits which are unprotected by signage.</p> <p>The far North is indeed a funny place. Years ago on a long summer multi-day we scoffed at the Lairg B&amp;B owner who warned us to be careful of adders, yet a few days later when walking beside Morven we saw five in one day. No signs there, but the roadkill one we met in the morning at least gave us an idea of what to look for. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16487&page=26#post-322556 Thu, 13 Feb 2020 10:33:42 +0000 ejstubbs 322556@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>IIRC NTS have put a sign up along the path in to the Hidden Valley in Glencoe to warn of the narrow path and steep drops. I think there was talk of putting a sign up somewhere in the area around Clachaig Gully - maybe at the top, to dissuade people from trying to descend the steep and very loose path on descent from the Aonach Eagach (I found a lengthy discussion about it <a href="http://">here</a> - note the reference to a sign that <em>used</em> to be in the Am Bodach car park at the eastern end of the ridge which is where most folks start from; I have a feeling that Hamish MacInnes might have been responsible for that). Although, people who regularly go in to the hills are agin such things proliferating willy-nilly.</p> <p>A pal of mine married an American lass while he was working out in CA. Soon after they arrived they went on a trip to the Lake District. She was astonished to discover that there wasn't a waymark or sign post at every trail junction in the fells (and that's despite the Lakes being, I'd guess, one of the most heavily signposted upland recreation areas in the UK).</p> <p>I believe that one difference between the UK and other places is that our hills tend to be largely denuded of trees so you can generally see where you've come from, where you're going, and which bits might be best to avoid (weather allowing). I sometimes find hillwalking on the continent quite claustrophic compared to the UK because, until you get above the actual treeline, you spend so much time following trails through large expanses of dense forest with no real idea of where you are without reference to a map and waymarks (I actually think that GPS can be more useful in such areas than on the Scottish hills, given good visibility.)</p> <p>As far as remoteness is concerned, distance is not the only factor. Going back to the Aonach Eagach: you may be able to see the road from the ridge, but you ain't gonna to be able to simply jog down to the road if something goes awry part way along the traverse. And "going awry" can simply be someone getting cragfast on the scrambly bits.</p> <p>Distance-wise, some of the Munros are pretty remote. A'Mhaighdean is generally accepted is being the most remote - the walk in from Poolewe is given as 22.5km in the SMC book. I've not been up there, but I have done Seana Bhraigh which was quite far enough thank you at a round trip of over 25km. Up in the north-west, although it's not as spectacularly hilly as the begging honeypots, there is some very remote country: mostly flat and very boggy (which is why folks don't tend to go there) but often miles from anything resembling civilisation. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16487&page=26#post-322555 Thu, 13 Feb 2020 10:20:59 +0000 steveo 322555@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>There are a couple similar in that there England</p> <p></em></p> <p>that was not there when I did the c2c when my mate just about ended up in someones living room due to his dodgy brakes and a t junction on a very steep hill. </p>