http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ CityCyclingEdinburgh Forum » Topic: "Charge Edinbugh delivery vans during peak hours: David Begg" en Thu, 21 May 2026 23:46:01 +0000 http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16489#post-222291 Tue, 07 Jun 2016 13:23:57 +0000 acsimpson 222291@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@Frenchy, yes that's a good point. As long as the large lorries are full their emissions per tonne of cargo might well be less. If however they are not full or being used for multiple drop deliveries then I suspect they equation would change in favour of the smaller vehicles. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16489#post-222233 Tue, 07 Jun 2016 10:19:58 +0000 cc 222233@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>Or Venice. I know the boats are motorised, and there are a lot of them, but you ain't getting a juggernaut style cruiser up that canal.</em></p> <p>Yes, Venice is full of thriving wee shops. Most deliveries seem to be done via barge to the nearest canal, then by hand cart from there.</p> <p>Mind you I did find one supermarket on Giudecca - fronting on to the huge (big enough for ocean liners) Giudecca Canal - which does its deliveries simply by driving a big lorry onto a big flat barge platform at a mainland port; floating it out to Giudecca; then unloading pallets straight from the back of the lorry! But that's very much the exception. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16489#post-222214 Tue, 07 Jun 2016 06:40:52 +0000 wingpig 222214@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@Morningsider I think they sneak a few vehicular deliveries in disguised as tourists whose GPS has sent them the wrong way. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16489#post-222212 Tue, 07 Jun 2016 04:59:07 +0000 Frenchy 222212@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>It's not immediately obvious to me that the largest lorries are the most polluting. Yes, each lorry will emit more fumes, but larger lorries should mean fewer lorries. Do you know if there's a point where the balance tips to smaller lorries being favourable? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16489#post-222163 Mon, 06 Jun 2016 16:38:47 +0000 acsimpson 222163@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>[i]"He said the charge could be limited to vans of a certain size – for example, under five tonnes – to avoid hitting major shop deliveries."[i]</p> <p>So the largest, most dangerous and polluting delivery vehicles will be exempt. :-O </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16489#post-222159 Mon, 06 Jun 2016 16:18:01 +0000 Morningsider 222159@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Klaxon - they do that in the historic centre of Malaga, which is pretty much entirely pedestrianised. Incredibly, a few hundred shops, bars and restaurants seemed to be hanging on in there. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16489#post-222155 Mon, 06 Jun 2016 15:37:41 +0000 Wilmington's Cow 222155@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Very, very good point.</p> <p>Or Venice. I know the boats are motorised, and there are a lot of them, but you ain't getting a juggernaut style cruiser up that canal. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16489#post-222153 Mon, 06 Jun 2016 15:14:16 +0000 Klaxon 222153@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>If anyone wants to see a microcosm of vehicle-less delivery you need only look at most airports. Electric tugs haul cages of goods to shops from loading bays and haul wheely bins out to the compactors.</p> <p>A model for a city centre if ever there was one. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16489#post-222151 Mon, 06 Jun 2016 15:09:44 +0000 Wilmington's Cow 222151@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>But Gordon Henderson of the Federation of Small Businesses said, "I can't see beyond my navel, and contemplate that they actually manage this in other countries, and what you get is <strong>more</strong> small business because the courier firms still operate to the outskirts, where the deliveries are loaded onto more nimble, city-friendly, transport which is often run by new, local companies."</em> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16489#post-222137 Mon, 06 Jun 2016 14:30:44 +0000 PS 222137@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>But Gordon Henderson of the Federation of Small Businesses said the idea was “ridiculous”.</p> <p>“At a time when delivery companies are experimenting with almost immediate deliveries, he is wanting to turn back the clock. Edinburgh is already bringing in 20mph limits and making it impossible to park your car. It’s almost as if they feel they have brought in every conceivable control on cars, and now they want to move on to vans.”</em></p> <p>And the problem with that is? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16489#post-222072 Mon, 06 Jun 2016 10:12:48 +0000 chdot 222072@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><a href="http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/our-region/edinburgh/city-centre/charge-edinbugh-delivery-vans-during-peak-hours-david-begg-1-4146721" rel="nofollow">http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/our-region/edinburgh/city-centre/charge-edinbugh-delivery-vans-during-peak-hours-david-begg-1-4146721</a> </p>