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CityCyclingEdinburgh Forum » Topic: Who thinks a Cargo Bike Club would be a good idea? http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ CityCyclingEdinburgh Forum » Topic: Who thinks a Cargo Bike Club would be a good idea? en Sun, 05 Apr 2026 18:30:44 +0000 chdot on "Who thinks a Cargo Bike Club would be a good idea?" http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=1649&page=3#post-277425 Thu, 15 Mar 2018 00:12:26 +0000 chdot 277425@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <img src="http://www.headsetpress.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/Sanitov2.jpg "> <a href="http://www.headsetpress.co.uk/feature/sanitov-studio/" rel="nofollow">http://www.headsetpress.co.uk/feature/sanitov-studio/</a> LaidBack on "Who thinks a Cargo Bike Club would be a good idea?" http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=1649&page=3#post-277422 Wed, 14 Mar 2018 23:43:06 +0000 LaidBack 277422@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ @acsimpson - agreed. Market proves that as sales of rack have been minimal! Trailer is an item that can be shared too. I was approached by Italian make to look at demoing / stocking <a href="http://www.bicicapace.com/bikes/justlong" rel="nofollow">http://www.bicicapace.com/bikes/justlong</a> Yes... 'whisk of the tail'(!) They have other bikes too at lower price than Helios but not sure of likely sales. acsimpson on "Who thinks a Cargo Bike Club would be a good idea?" http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=1649&page=3#post-277406 Wed, 14 Mar 2018 21:44:49 +0000 acsimpson 277406@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ There's no denying the ingenuity of the Helios Rack. It's unfortunate that it costs more than some trailers though. chdot on "Who thinks a Cargo Bike Club would be a good idea?" http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=1649&page=3#post-277389 Wed, 14 Mar 2018 16:57:33 +0000 chdot 277389@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ “Down side is you could buy a few Elephant Bikes“ Um, that sounds like an anti “commercial content warning” Whatever the merits of EBs (many including price/value for money) they can’t carry as much as an 8 Freight or Helios with accessory cargo rack. Things are no longer even ‘relative’ in a broken market system. Cheaper to buy an old hatchback than a half decent ordinary bike nevermind a special carrier model! Every Helios owner should have the rack. Or maybe they just need to be able to hire one occasionally... LaidBack on "Who thinks a Cargo Bike Club would be a good idea?" http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=1649&page=3#post-277386 Wed, 14 Mar 2018 16:37:55 +0000 LaidBack 277386@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ **commercial content warning** Been busy using the 'cargo-ized' shop demo Helios tandem. I reckon it's better than a trailer in some ways as you can take loads outwith the track width. Down side is you could buy a few Elephant Bikes (fine machines of course!). At least one forumer has the 'plug and play' cargo rack accessory. Happy to let anyone on forum try. Chdot of course uses his 8Freight design which is a dedicated cargo machine. The Helios though has 18 speeds and some very low gears - the 8freight being 8 speed (EB is 3 speed?). <a href="https://www.flickr.com/photos/66067108@N08/38879183110/in/album-72157694483087815/" title="Circe Helios Cargo"><img src="https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4799/38879183110_600654df19.jpg" alt="Circe Helios Cargo" /></a> unhurt on "Who thinks a Cargo Bike Club would be a good idea?" http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=1649&page=3#post-268685 Mon, 04 Dec 2017 23:34:04 +0000 unhurt 268685@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ @frenchy! This means you can bring your dog to PoP meetings, yes? Also hmm I should probably hire the UA for that Ikea trip... dessert rat on "Who thinks a Cargo Bike Club would be a good idea?" http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=1649&page=3#post-268684 Mon, 04 Dec 2017 23:20:20 +0000 dessert rat 268684@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ @ Frenchy. Argh. if only I'd known - that could have been my first 'spotted'. probably too late now to claim it. LaidBack on "Who thinks a Cargo Bike Club would be a good idea?" http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=1649&page=3#post-268681 Mon, 04 Dec 2017 22:49:31 +0000 LaidBack 268681@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ @Frenchy You said you were hiring UA at PY on Friday so good to see it in use. See you got a dog trailer and think you were doing other errand too. It does tend to encourage the 'I might as well drop off stuff here / pick up stuff there' habit. Like having a car but able to take bigger items if you are careful! Frenchy on "Who thinks a Cargo Bike Club would be a good idea?" http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=1649&page=3#post-268678 Mon, 04 Dec 2017 22:38:22 +0000 Frenchy 268678@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ Yes, that was me. dessert rat on "Who thinks a Cargo Bike Club would be a good idea?" http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=1649&page=3#post-268673 Mon, 04 Dec 2017 22:08:52 +0000 dessert rat 268673@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ @ Frenchy - were you at Dobbies Gardening World Extravaganza and Butterfly Emporium on Sat ? I noticed that bike parked next to mine when I exited 2 or 3ish. Frenchy on "Who thinks a Cargo Bike Club would be a good idea?" http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=1649&page=3#post-268671 Mon, 04 Dec 2017 21:46:52 +0000 Frenchy 268671@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ Naturally. Could be a while, will be taking it very slowly with getting him used to it. Stickman on "Who thinks a Cargo Bike Club would be a good idea?" http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=1649&page=3#post-268669 Mon, 04 Dec 2017 21:27:32 +0000 Stickman 268669@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ We will, of course, need a photo of your dog in the Doggy Ride. Frenchy on "Who thinks a Cargo Bike Club would be a good idea?" http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=1649&page=3#post-268667 Mon, 04 Dec 2017 20:43:19 +0000 Frenchy 268667@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ I had my first ever shot of a cargo bike at the weekend. It was also my first ever shot of an electric bike. I hired the EdFOC's Urban Arrow (see link in post above) in order to do some running around that otherwise would have required driving. Great fun. <a href="https://flic.kr/p/22aSEcr"><img src="https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4575/38836781871_6f98c7242c.jpg"></a><a href="https://flic.kr/p/22aSEcr">IMG_20171202_120931</a> Kim on "Who thinks a Cargo Bike Club would be a good idea?" http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=1649&page=3#post-236831 Fri, 18 Nov 2016 12:10:57 +0000 Kim 236831@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ Just a quick reminder that the EdFoC Urban Arrow cargo bike <a href="https://edfoc.org.uk/cargo-bike-hire/">is available for hire</a>. Kim on "Who thinks a Cargo Bike Club would be a good idea?" http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=1649&page=3#post-200349 Wed, 30 Sep 2015 09:55:21 +0000 Kim 200349@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ It is glorious weather for trying out a cargo bike to see if it fits your life style (or business). Why not give it a go? <a href="http://www.edfoc.org.uk/about/cargo-bike-hire/" rel="nofollow">http://www.edfoc.org.uk/about/cargo-bike-hire/</a> Kim on "Who thinks a Cargo Bike Club would be a good idea?" http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=1649&page=2#post-195995 Fri, 14 Aug 2015 16:35:51 +0000 Kim 195995@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ Selling selling artisan foodstuffs at a festival, would be a more appropriate use :-) Cyclingmollie on "Who thinks a Cargo Bike Club would be a good idea?" http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=1649&page=2#post-195985 Fri, 14 Aug 2015 16:10:31 +0000 Cyclingmollie 195985@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ Thanks Kim, that's quite clear. Probably better to find another way. Since we got rid of the car some jobs have proven hard to do by other means. The cargo bike would be a great way of dipping your toe in the water of selling artisan foodstuffs at a festival. Kim on "Who thinks a Cargo Bike Club would be a good idea?" http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=1649&page=2#post-195983 Fri, 14 Aug 2015 16:04:05 +0000 Kim 195983@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ @Cyclingmollie Under the <a href="http://www.edfoc.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/UA_Terms_of_hire.pdf">term of hire</a>: "The Hirer agrees to return the cycle(s) to EdFoC in the same condition received", also "The Hirer expressly agrees to pay EdFoC on demand the fair market value of repairing damage howsoever caused to the actual cycle(s) supplied." If you were to use it for such a purpose, you would have to provide your own liner and ensure that the bike was thoroughly cleaned before return. So long as it was returned "in the same condition received" then it would be possible. Think of it being like a car hire, if you were to return a hire car with obvious signs that you had transport manure, you would expect a hefty bill for cleaning. So you would make sure that you cleaned it up before returning it, so that the hire company wouldn't know what you had used it for. That said, I am not sure that the Family model of the Urban Arrow would the best cargo bike for that purpose. This is why the plan for the Cargo Bike Club would include other types of bike, i.e. the Bullitt, which would probably better suited to different loads. I get the feeling that Anth will now go through the hire terms looking for loopholes... ;-) Cyclingmollie on "Who thinks a Cargo Bike Club would be a good idea?" http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=1649&page=2#post-195977 Fri, 14 Aug 2015 15:34:45 +0000 Cyclingmollie 195977@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ Could I use it to transport horse manure from Cowpits to Musselburgh? Will it have a suitable liner or indeed restrictions on its use? SRD on "Who thinks a Cargo Bike Club would be a good idea?" http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=1649&page=2#post-195971 Fri, 14 Aug 2015 15:06:17 +0000 SRD 195971@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ half day option would be good - although perhaps a pain for you to manage. totally understand need to cover costs. Kim on "Who thinks a Cargo Bike Club would be a good idea?" http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=1649&page=2#post-195969 Fri, 14 Aug 2015 14:50:04 +0000 Kim 195969@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ A 1/2 day hire could be an option, maybe £10 for four hours? Just trying to find out what works. Ideally I would like to make it free, but then how would we cover the costs, the insurance alone is over £320 pa, then there are loan repayments at almost £400 pa? SRD on "Who thinks a Cargo Bike Club would be a good idea?" http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=1649&page=2#post-195925 Fri, 14 Aug 2015 11:59:14 +0000 SRD 195925@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ Kim, I think it's a great idea, just that for a personal use I would be unlikely to need it for a full day, so £20 seems quite steep. e.g. like when you borrowed my trailer - it was just for one trip. Whereas if I rented a bike for a day or a week, I would probably be using it all day for transport. Wilmington's Cow on "Who thinks a Cargo Bike Club would be a good idea?" http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=1649&page=2#post-195922 Fri, 14 Aug 2015 11:52:00 +0000 Wilmington's Cow 195922@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ I'm now trying to think of an excuse to shift some stuff that would need to hire this. Which I don't think is quite the point, but still... Kim on "Who thinks a Cargo Bike Club would be a good idea?" http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=1649&page=2#post-195917 Fri, 14 Aug 2015 11:44:59 +0000 Kim 195917@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ The current hire rate is based on the cost of hiring other bikes in Edinburgh. This is something which may have to be looked at in the future. From a company point of view, although the company is a not for profit social enterprise, it still has to cover it's costs. The Urban Arrow has been bought with a loan which need to be repaid over time and the bike hire insurance also has to be covered, so there is a limit to how cheaply the bike can be hired. In the longer term, it is possible that the Cargo Bike Club could be set up as a social enterprise using grant funding to make the capital purchase of the bikes. This would mean that bike could be hired at considerably lower rates, or possible loaded out for free, but there would need to be another revenue stream from somewhere to cover running costs. Ideas and suggestions welcome. SRD on "Who thinks a Cargo Bike Club would be a good idea?" http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=1649&page=2#post-195848 Thu, 13 Aug 2015 23:32:22 +0000 SRD 195848@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ Any chance of a discount for CCE-ers? Kim on "Who thinks a Cargo Bike Club would be a good idea?" http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=1649&page=2#post-195847 Thu, 13 Aug 2015 22:46:03 +0000 Kim 195847@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ Haven't got the Cargo Bike Club off the ground yet, but have taken <a href="http://www.kimharding.net/blog/?p=1995">a small step forward</a>, there is now a cargo bike available to hire in Edinburgh. chdot on "Who thinks a Cargo Bike Club would be a good idea?" http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=1649&page=2#post-195797 Thu, 13 Aug 2015 14:35:15 +0000 chdot 195797@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <a href="http://www.edfoc.org.uk/about/cargo-bike-hire" rel="nofollow">http://www.edfoc.org.uk/about/cargo-bike-hire</a> Tulyar on "Who thinks a Cargo Bike Club would be a good idea?" http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=1649&page=2#post-30797 Sun, 08 May 2011 21:12:55 +0000 Tulyar 30797@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ Bike Station has Bullitts from Harry vs Larry - modern version of proven design (Long John) not sure if they will hire these out for removals etc. Eight freights can be unnervingly flexible and take a bit of getting used to with load behind you I kept falling off trying to turn tight corners at low speed when I first rode one. Pino/Lorri are also good. Bullitts and Bakfiets are raced in on-street circuit in Copenhagen. Christiania trikes are handy with a variety of front load carriers, and used by ZERO for many London contracts, not sure if same available for hire in Scotland. Some Cyclus Maximus apparently idle in Glasgow with 6-sheet poster panels on rear frame, not sure if they have load platforms to fit in place of the panels Trailers do make sense and for long and large loads the Moulton and Brompton small wheels with large platforms front & rear also work well. Standard 4.8m lengths of timber relatively easy to shift around on a Brompton - have moved up to 5.1m this way. Vittelli Velobedarf (Basle &c) do a very good range - Ruggel's trailer looks very much like one of their standards designed for mopeds and bikes and the biggest carry up to 120Kg (official rating) They have a 30mm ball hitch with snaplock and screw clamp connections for seatpost. ruggtomcat on "Who thinks a Cargo Bike Club would be a good idea?" http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=1649&page=2#post-29126 Tue, 12 Apr 2011 18:17:18 +0000 ruggtomcat 29126@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ right at the start of this video is the cargo net trikes i saw last summer... want one! <a href="http://youtu.be/ILKDeVG5Vj8" rel="nofollow">http://youtu.be/ILKDeVG5Vj8</a> kaputnik on "Who thinks a Cargo Bike Club would be a good idea?" http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=1649&page=2#post-26531 Thu, 10 Mar 2011 19:35:49 +0000 kaputnik 26531@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ We have an Electra Delivery Bike now... And I have ridden it - although I think it's best to describe it as an Electra pedal-powered deckchair and picnic hamper! I'm amazed how light it was.